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Gulf of Mexico disturbance 96L poorly organized, but may develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:27 PM GMT en Junio 22, 2012 +33
An area of low pressure and heavy thunderstorms in the Southern Gulf of Mexico (designated 96L by NHC Thursday afternoon) is a threat to become a tropical depression this weekend, and all interests along the Gulf of Mexico coast should pay attention to the progress of this disturbance. The disturbance is bringing occasional heavy rains to Western Cuba, South Florida, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. Top winds measured in the surrounding ocean areas this morning were 27 mph, gusting to 34 mph, at the Yucatan Basin buoy between Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula and the Cayman Islands. Our wundermap for the surrounding ocean areas show a ship that measured sustained winds of 30 mph near the western tip of Cuba this morning. Satellite-based surface wind measurements from the newly-available Oceansat-2 scatterometer, courtesy of India, show no signs of a surface circulation. Visible satellite loops show that 96L is less organized than it was Thursday evening, with only a little low-level spin apparent, and a modest area of disorganized thunderstorms. The decrease in organization is probably due to the moderate to high levels of wind shear of 15 - 25 knots over the region. Water vapor satellite loops show a modest region of dry air over the Central Gulf of Mexico, which is interfering with development. Ocean temperatures are 81 - 83°F in the Western Caribbean and Southern Gulf of Mexico, which is about 1°F above average, and warm enough to support formation of a tropical storm. A hurricane hunter mission is scheduled to investigate 96L this afternoon, but this mission will probably be cancelled due to the disturbance's lack of organization.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of the tropical disturbance 96L in the Southern Gulf of Mexico.

Forecast for 96L
Wind shear is predicted to remain in the moderate range through Saturday night, which is likely low enough to allow 96L to develop into a tropical depression; NHC gave 96L a 70% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday morning, in their 8am EDT Tropical Weather Outlook. By Sunday, wind shear is predicted to increase, limiting 96L's potential for intensification. Where the storm might go is anybody's guess. The GFS model has consistently been predicting that a trough of low pressure pushing off of the U.S. East Coast will be capable of grabbing the disturbance and accelerating it to the northeast across Florida north of Tampa Bay on Sunday or Monday. However, an ensemble of forecasts from the model created by running the model with slight perturbations to the initial conditions shows a wide range of possible tracks, both to the east over Florida, and to the west towards Texas and Louisiana (Figure 2.) The latest ECMWF model run (00 UTC) predicts that the trough will not be strong enough to pull 96L northeastwards across Florida. The ECMWF predicts that a ridge of high pressure will build in over the Southern U.S., forcing the disturbance westwards across the Gulf of Mexico and into South Texas by Thursday. The UKMET model also favors a track west towards Texas. The NOGAPS model takes 96L to the northwest into Louisiana/Texas by Monday.


Figure 2. Which way will 96L go? The GFS model, when run at low resolution with 20 slightly different perturbations to the initial conditions in order to generate an ensemble of different forecasts, shows two distinct possibilities: a sharp east turn to move over Florida, or a west or northwest motion towards Louisiana or Texas. The high-resolution official GFS forecast is shown in white.

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2151. BrickellBreeze 2:00 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
Region Wide has received between 2-4 inches naples area has received in some observation points 2 inches


What Direction is that band heading? Will it make it to the otherside of the state and cause some "Thunder" for Miami?
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2152. cybergrump 2:01 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting 954FtLCane:

Cool. Do I get a 2nd on the COC/LLC being at 86.5/23.

If so I would think models would initialize a little further east.


We will see in the morning but looks like when the models start there run with the new position things might change my opinion
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2153. Hurricanes305 2:01 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting 954FtLCane:
COC, 86.5, 23 sound about right?


Correct and looking at the satellite it seem a slight flare up of convection to the NE of that COC lets see if it can grow and wrap around the COC.

96L Long Floater - Rainbow Color Imagery Loop

Also, shear in the eastern gulf is decreasing now we could have Debby tomorrow evening (5pm) after Recon.

Shear Tendency
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2154. GeorgiaStormz 2:01 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
new convec burst by coc:
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2155. WhereIsTheStorm 2:02 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
just finish my shift was going to fire up the BBQ cable guy look at me in the parking lot and said was that gun shots i said jokly maybe its friday anything is possible

the guy that died was only 25

i scubbed the BBQ just sitting here watching the police investigation taking it in

why are these young men settling there beefs with guns is beyond me

has to be a better way sad


There is a better way; but sorry to say this is happening every day around the world. It is very depressing, try not to let it get you too down. Easy to say hard to do.
Plan on BBQ tomorrow, just sit back and relax tonight. It might even make you feel better if you go back and read some of wild entries posted earlier on this blog, it will certainly distract you if nothing else.
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2157. floridaT 2:02 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting BrickellBreeze:


What Direction is that band heading? Will it make it to the otherside of the state and cause some "Thunder" for Miami?
i hope so next year wanna see it again was going to go to bed but wanna see what this next line with thunder brings
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2158. Abacosurf 2:04 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:


Southwest Florida gonna get hammered again. From just Radar observations,it looked like Naples got rain most the day,heavy at times. This new band looks very impressive and if the Thunderstorms don't wane on their way to the coast,a lot more is enroute. Any Naples residents in here? How much rain have ya got?
guessing around 1.2 inches today. Depends on where you are in town suppose.
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2159. FSUCOOPman 2:05 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
does anyone know the frequency or intervals with which the vort maps are updated?
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2160. midgulfmom 2:05 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
just finish my shift was going to fire up the BBQ cable guy look at me in the parking lot and said was that gun shots i said jokly maybe its friday anything is possible

the guy that died was only 25

i scubbed the BBQ just sitting here watching the police investigation taking it in

why are these young men settling there beefs with guns is beyond me

has to be a better way sad
It's sad and frustrating......I don't understand it either....Everyone points fingers but nothing gets resolved.
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2162. weatherlover94 2:08 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
looks like the models are showing a west then wsw motion later on in the forecast period with modest weakening at the end of the 5 day forecast period....hmm...mexico or texas could be at risk...good night fellow bloggers
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2163. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 2:08 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting FSUCOOPman:
does anyone know the frequency or intervals with which the vort maps are updated?
i think every 6 hrs
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2164. HondosGirl 2:08 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting Barefootontherocks:
I'm kind of chuckling because took me the 2005 through 2007 seasons to really grasp the concept of how a trough could steer a storm.

First, there must be a storm consolidated around co-operating centers. Meaning the centers of circulations are on top of each other in the atmosphere, the essential one being at the surface. This has not happened yet. When it does, the storm can build upward. The center location and the intensity the storm builds will affect how it accepts steering from ridges and troughs in the neighborhood. Northern hemisphere tropical cyclones naturally want to move NW unless blocked by a ridge, or pulled elsewhere by a trough as Chris so dramatically was a few days ago. Depending on the strength and location of both, a storm can "miss a trough," and have to wait for another.

My answer to the question you asked is no one knows right now, and one can only guess by looking at the models, and later on by watching sats, especially water vapor loops to see the trough movement. Current weather maps issued by NWS and some learning institutions can be helpful in seeing the actual troughs and ridges on paper, so to speak. The models are fallible, as the true movements of the atmosphere can be slower or faster than the models predict them to be - until the actual atmospheric movement is close at hand.

The ridge building here where I live in the "middle" (as an East Coast Friend affectionately calls my area) seems like it'll be a strong one and will be centered this weekend over my state, Oklahoma. Local NWS mets do not expect the ridge to move much under the influence of low pressure on Monday and do not expect anything but hot, hot hot through at least next week Friday. The presence and strength of this ridge will come into play in the overall steering. Once there is a storm.
:)

Perhaps that's more information and more simple than what you wanted or needed, but maybe it will be helpful to someone else, if not to you.


Thanks for taking the time to explain this so clearly for those of us with less experience.
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2165. 954FtLCane 2:09 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting Hurricanes305:


Correct and looking at the satellite it seem a slight flare up of convection to the NE of that COC lets see if it can grow and wrap around the COC.

96L Long Floater - Rainbow Color Imagery Loop

Also, shear in the eastern gulf is decreasing now we could have Debby tomorrow evening (5pm) after Recon.

Shear Tendency

Cool. Thanks. I'm thinking 90% at next two with a TD/TS in the morn at this rate. Of course that can change on DMIN
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2167. FSUCOOPman 2:11 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting 954FtLCane:

Cool. Thanks. I'm thinking 90% at next two with a TD/TS in the morn at this rate. Of course that can change on DMIN

Dmin has already passed for today...Dmax is coming, just before dawn.
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2168. FSUCOOPman 2:12 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
i think every 6 hrs


*sigh* I was hoping for 3.
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2169. Hurricanes305 2:12 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Good night! Lets see how this evolves during the overnight and mourning hours.
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2170. charlottefl 2:12 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
They just issued a special weather statement for the band approaching Naples for 45 to 55 mph winds. Only had .14" so far here today, I'm about 25 miles north of Naples though.
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2171. weatherh98 2:13 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
just finish my shift was going to fire up the BBQ cable guy look at me in the parking lot and said was that gun shots i said jokly maybe its friday anything is possible

the guy that died was only 25

i scubbed the BBQ just sitting here watching the police investigation taking it in

why are these young men settling there beefs with guns is beyond me

has to be a better way sad


Kinda sad. About 4months ago I was going to a basketball tournament and we witnessed a bank robbery the cops fired two shots at the truck (who almost hit us) but the guy didn't stop he drove 15 miles and wrecked he was only 26 and went to my high school
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2172. TampaCat5 2:13 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Looking at the satellite images of this thing, I don't think it is a cyclone forming. It's something else... a superblob! Be afraid, be very afraid. Superblob's are not very well understood. It could be around for weeks. :P
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2173. TropicalAnalystwx13 2:13 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Convection is firing near the center and 96L is gaining more more banding. It is significantly better organized than yesterday, and will likely be a tropical storm tomorrow.
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2174. HurricaneHunterJoe 2:14 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:


Mid level is only offset from LLC by about 1 degree now; Closest it's ever been.


I thought I saw on here that the LLC was already stacked? No?
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2175. HimacaneBrees 2:14 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
They have started evacuation procedures for some rigs. Well at least for the company I work for. I don't about some of the other companies. We haven't started a rig down yet on the rig I'm on, but may be starting in the AM.
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2176. weatherh98 2:14 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:


Our country is completely filled with violent crime at every age group, really.

Just had a young woman's dismembered body wash up in Louisiana a few days ago, and apparently there isn't even a suspect.

You might be surprised at how 20-somethings talk to one another on other websites where there is less moderation, because almost every discussion turns into some sort of violent outburst, or racists or rapist type comments. It can be youtube, a fan fiction site, or a physics forum, and it's the same either way.


I heard about that. I dot know how much evidence will be left
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2177. floridaT 2:14 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:


Our country is completely filled with violent crime at every age group, really.

Just had a young woman's dismembered body wash up in Louisiana a few days ago, and apparently there isn't even a suspect.

You might be surprised at how 20-somethings talk to one another on other websites where there is less moderation, because almost every discussion turns into some sort of violent outburst, or racists or rapist type comments. It can be youtube, a fan fiction site, or a physics forum, and it's the same either way.
so true so true all of us as weather "geeks" watch what mother nature dose and we all shutter when a life is lost and preach take precautions and heed warnings then we see life wasted for nothing its so sad
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2178. GTcooliebai 2:17 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
From Bryan Norcross:

"The low pressure area in the Gulf appears to be organizing tonight just north of Cancun. It's likely that Tropical Depression #4 will form there on Saturday. The long-term forecast, however, is VERY uncertain. The center of the system appears to be a little south and east of where the computer simulations (the models) thought it would be this evening, so that puts question marks on their solutions. But beyond that, the upper-air pattern forecast of the most reliable models is quite different. In the short term, the upper pattern looks favorable for some strengthening while the system is in the southern Gulf. As it drifts north, however, the pattern becomes marginal and would likely keep the system from getting too strong. Still, by Sunday, there's a decent chance the system (TD #4 or Tropical Storm Debby) will be strong enough to cause dangerous waves and water rise on the northern Gulf coast. After that, forecasts dramatically diverge, with three scenarios. The American GFS model crawls a fairly weak system over Florida early in the weak with drenching rain and gusty winds. The European model takes a strong system - maybe a hurricane - west toward Texas or Mexico midweek. In addition, other American hurricane models keep the system very weak in the Gulf. Over the past few years, the European model has been the most accurate, but it has also been completely wrong on occasion. Once the system consolidates, the hope is that the models will come together so a more confident forecast can be made. The bottom line for now, everybody on the Gulf coast needs to stay informed this weekend, and be aware that a large circulation is going to cause dangerous conditions in the water and along some part of the coast over the next few to several days."
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2179. TropicalAnalystwx13 2:17 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:


Our country is completely filled with violent crime at every age group, really.

Just had a young woman's dismembered body wash up in Louisiana a few days ago, and apparently there isn't even a suspect.

You might be surprised at how 20-somethings talk to one another on other websites where there is less moderation, because almost every discussion turns into some sort of violent outburst, or racists or rapist type comments. It can be youtube, a fan fiction site, or a physics forum, and it's the same either way.

You'd be surprised at how 8-year olds talk to other kids online while playing X-box too.
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2180. midgulfmom 2:18 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:


Our country is completely filled with violent crime at every age group, really.

Just had a young woman's dismembered body wash up in Louisiana a few days ago, and apparently there isn't even a suspect.

You might be surprised at how 20-somethings talk to one another on other websites where there is less moderation, because almost every discussion turns into some sort of violent outburst, or racists or rapist type comments. It can be youtube, a fan fiction site, or a physics forum, and it's the same either way.
Actually two suspects are in custody.....a couple of scary sick people if guilty.
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2181. gator23 2:18 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Convection is firing near the center and 96L is gaining more more banding. It is significantly better organized than yesterday, and will likely be a tropical storm tomorrow.

link?
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2182. HimacaneBrees 2:18 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting HimacaneBrees:
They have started evacuation procedures for some rigs. Well at least for the company I work for. I don't know about some of the other companies. We haven't started a rig down yet on the rig I'm on, but may be starting in the AM.
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2183. EricSFL 2:18 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Link
There is evident rotation at around 21.5 N, 86.5 W.
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2184. TropicalAnalystwx13 2:18 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting gator23:

link?

To..?
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2185. weatherh98 2:19 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:


I thought I saw on here that the LLC was already stacked? No?


It is
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2186. weatherh98 2:20 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

You'd be surprised at how 8-year olds talk to other kids online while playing X-box too.


My friends little brother who's in second grade currently says stuff that I don't know about.. And as you know by our previous discussion im not ignorant to that stuf
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2187. redwagon 2:20 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:


If it goes to Tejas,they better not screw it up like they did to The Don. Did they even get 1/2 inch of rain?

I think Don got evapd even before he made landfall.

This summer is a winter wonderland paradise compared to last. Only thing we need is a LOT of water to fill up the lakes and aquifers, and we'll be A-OK. [In case you're listening, Debby, the total we were thinking about is ~25" over Centex, even all in one day is fine]
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2189. midgulfmom 2:22 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
BTW...the suspects in post 2180 look wasted on drugs IMO.
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2190. LisaNola 2:22 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Very off topic but they just found Sandusky guilty on 45 counts. I will sleep better tonight.
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2191. floridaT 2:22 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
lol listening to the local met on tv there sooo bad like there told dont give an opinion
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2192. GTcooliebai 2:22 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting EricSFL:
Link
There is evident rotation at around 21.5 N, 86.5 W.
New LLC forming there?
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2194. TropicalAnalystwx13 2:23 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting kipperedherring:
This is tremendously depressing, what we need right now is some more florida T to lighten the mood and get us back on track. Know what I'm sayin' ??!!

No. No, I don't know what you are saying.
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2195. EricSFL 2:23 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
New LLC forming there?

Seems like, although it could just be mid-level.
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2196. stormpetrol 2:23 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
22.5N/86W is the COC for 96L IMO, though lacking that convective burst is fairly well organized IMO, look for a TD/TS tomorrow.
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2197. Orcasystems 2:24 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
i think every 6 hrs



Evening KOG.. the season has started :)
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2198. weatherh98 2:24 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting Orcasystems:



Evening KOG.. the season has started :)


Long time no see!
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2199. Buhdog 2:25 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
I would agree that with MR norcross and other bloggers that a clear coc seems to have taken over south and east. It's also undeniable to me that it is may skip over 2nd gear and go right into 3rd.
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2200. Tropicsweatherpr 2:25 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
From Bryan Norcross:

"The low pressure area in the Gulf appears to be organizing tonight just north of Cancun. It's likely that Tropical Depression #4 will form there on Saturday. The long-term forecast, however, is VERY uncertain. The center of the system appears to be a little south and east of where the computer simulations (the models) thought it would be this evening, so that puts question marks on their solutions. But beyond that, the upper-air pattern forecast of the most reliable models is quite different. In the short term, the upper pattern looks favorable for some strengthening while the system is in the southern Gulf. As it drifts north, however, the pattern becomes marginal and would likely keep the system from getting too strong. Still, by Sunday, there's a decent chance the system (TD #4 or Tropical Storm Debby) will be strong enough to cause dangerous waves and water rise on the northern Gulf coast. After that, forecasts dramatically diverge, with three scenarios. The American GFS model crawls a fairly weak system over Florida early in the weak with drenching rain and gusty winds. The European model takes a strong system - maybe a hurricane - west toward Texas or Mexico midweek. In addition, other American hurricane models keep the system very weak in the Gulf. Over the past few years, the European model has been the most accurate, but it has also been completely wrong on occasion. Once the system consolidates, the hope is that the models will come together so a more confident forecast can be made. The bottom line for now, everybody on the Gulf coast needs to stay informed this weekend, and be aware that a large circulation is going to cause dangerous conditions in the water and along some part of the coast over the next few to several days."


Interesting. GT,that statement was on Facebook?
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2201. wxwonder1 2:25 AM GMT en Junio 23, 2012    
Hey guys. New poster here but have been reading this blog for 5 years. Finally took the leap.
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