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North Carolina ignores science in sea level planning
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:48 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012 +47
An interesting political battle is underway in North Carolina on how to plan for 21st century sea level rise, newsobserver.com reports. Sea level rise scientists commonly cite one meter (3.3 feet) as the expected global sea level rise by 2100, and more than a dozen science panels from coastal states, including a state-appointed science panel in North Carolina, agree. However, a coastal economic development group called NC-20, named for the 20 coastal counties in North Carolina, attacked the report, saying the science was flawed. NC-20 says the state should rely only on historical trends of sea level rise, and not plan for a future where sea level rise might accelerate. North Carolina should plan for only 8 inches of rise by 2100, based on the historical trend in Wilmington, NC, the group says. Republican state legislators introduced a bill that follows this logic, requiring the North Carolina Coastal Resources Commission to make development plans assuming sea level rise will not accelerate. On Thursday, a state senate committee signed off on the bill, sending it to the full Senate. NC-20 also successfully made an "intense push" to get the North Carolina Division of Emergency Management, which is using a $5 million federal grant to analyze the impact of rising water, to lower its worst-case sea level rise scenario from 1 meter (39 inches) to 15 inches by 2100.


FIgure 1. Global sea level rise from 1992 - April 2012, as measured by three satellite instruments (TOPEX, Jason-1, and Jason-2.) Sea level rise has been relatively constant at about 3.1 mm per year (1.2 inches per decade) during this time period. The big downward dip during 2010 is due to the fact that year had a record amount of precipitation over land areas. By 2011, that precipitation had run-off into the oceans, bringing sea level back up again. Image credit: University of Colorado Sea Level Research Group.

Commentary
East Carolina University geologist Stan Riggs, a science panel member and coastal science expert, said of the proposed legislation, “We’re throwing this science out completely, and what’s proposed is just crazy for a state that used to be a leader in marine science. You can’t legislate the ocean, and you can’t legislate storms.” Our climate change blogger, Dr. Ricky Rood, had this to say in his latest post: "I would dismiss the proposed law as an attempt to legislate away that which stands in the way of our desires to consume and build for our personal imperatives. I would dismiss it as politics and note the names of the un-serious politicians for the next election." I agree with both of these assessments. The best science we have argues the planet will continue to warm, melting icecaps, causing accelerated sea level rise. Between 1900 - 2007, global sea level rose at 1.7 mm per year (Bindoff et al., 2007). Between 1993 - 2012, sea level rise accelerated to 3.1 mm per year, a 75% increase over the 20th century rate. If this accelerated rate continues to 2100, global sea level rise will be 10.7", which is higher than the 8" rise North Carolina is being told to plan for. The continuing accelerating trend in Greenland ice loss since 2000 I blogged about last month should make anyone leery of betting that sea level rise will not accelerate even more in the coming decades. Betting that sea level rise won't accelerate this century is like betting that a slowly intensifying tropical storm will maintain that slow rate of intensification, ignoring that the majority of the computer models are predicting the storm will rapidly intensify into a Category 3 hurricane at landfall. Sure, sometimes the models are wrong, but there is good science behind their predictions. If we wait until storm begins its rapid intensification to act, it will be a very costly mistake. The most sound action would be to prepare for the very plausible bad outcome our science is saying is most likely, instead of putting all of our chips on the low-probability, good-for-business outcome we hope for.

Sea, No Evil
Comedian Steven Cobert has a humorous piece on the new North Carolina sea level legislation in his June 4, 2012 Cobert Report. He uses the phrase "Sea, No Evil" to describe the affair. Some quotes:

"It would be a tragedy to lose precious coastal wildlife habitats to coastal flooding. Those habitats should be lost to developers' bulldozers."

"If your science gives you a result that you don't like, pass a law that the result is illegal--problem solved!"

Comedy Central reports on the recent decision by Virginia lawmakers to phase out use of the terms "climate change" and "sea level rise."

Resources:
Scientific America blog on the North Carolina sea level rise battle.
Wunderground's Greenland page.
Wunderground's sea level rise page.

The Atlantic is quiet
There are no threat areas to discuss in the Atlantic today. The NOGAPS model is predicting formation of a tropical tropical depression in the Western Caribbean this weekend, and takes the storm northwards into Florida early next week. None of the other models is going along with this idea, but there is some support for a broad area of low pressure developing in the Western Caribbean early next week in some of the other models. The waters offshore of North Carolina may be another region to watch, late this week, along the edge of a cold front moving off the U.S. East Coast.

I'll have a new post Wednesday or Thursday.

Jeff Masters
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201. STXHurricanes2012 4:59 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Remember the models aren't good with mb's!
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202. weatherh98 5:00 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting help4u:
Remember when the OZONE HOLE was going to kill mankind in 1992,the earth is suppose to melt by 2014,and the "earth is a million degree's hot",ALGORE.Polar bears were all going to die off,record population now.Poster's on here make fun of religious people but they worship with the GLOBAL WARMING GODS AT THE ALTAR!This place is fantasy land,end of world gloom and doom!Keeps me coming back,love you guys!


ILOVE YOU

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT ALL
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203. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 5:00 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
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204. pottery 5:00 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting BobWallace:


Difference is, the Baptists and Catholics were arguing "how many angles can dance on the head of a pin" types of issues. Things that were not observable, thus not testable.

The issue of climate change involves observable, testable phenomenon. In the AGW/anti-AGW discussion both sides are free to bring empirically obtained facts. If one side doesn't, it suggests that they are fact-less....


Depends entirely on whether they were acute or obtuse angles.....
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205. TropicalAnalystwx13 5:00 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting weatherh98:


1009? thas weak.

The pressure is high because the storm is in a high-pressure environment. It has two closed isobars, making it a tropical storm.
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206. allancalderini 5:00 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
If I remember correctly Irwin and Jova were form by the help of the MJO or I am wrong?
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207. Chucktown 5:00 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    


Quoting BobWallace:
Scientific American has a very readable article about how melting Arctic sea ice is making northern hemisphere weather more variable...

An increase in melting is causing fundamental changes in the jet stream—the primary pressure gradient in the atmosphere that most affects winter weather in the middle latitudes across the Northern Hemisphere. Their conclusion: winter weirdness may become the norm.

Sea ice reflects sunlight. But as more of it melts, more ocean water is exposed. The water, much darker than ice, absorbs more of the sun’s heat and warms, which in turn melts even more of the ice, setting up a feedback loop. In the autumn the ocean releases the excess heat into the atmosphere. That decreases the difference (or gradient) in temperature between the arctic and middle latitudes, which in turn lessens the difference between the air-pressure fields in those regions. The pressure field from 70 degrees north latitude up to the North Pole is called the Arctic Oscillation. The pressure field from 70 degrees down to the subtropics is called the North Atlantic Oscillation.

Lessening the difference between the two oscillations, Greene says, alters how the jet stream behaves in winter—either socking us with extreme cold and snow from the arctic or allowing tropical heat to waft much farther north than usual


Link



Who cares, it will keep forecasting the weather a continued challenge in the years to come and at the same time, keep me employed.
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208. weatherh98 5:00 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting Hurricane1216:
Quickly organizing 95E... potentially Daniel or Carlotta.



i jus see thunderstorms
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209. StormTracker2K 5:02 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
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210. weatherh98 5:02 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

The pressure is high because the storm is in a high-pressure environment. It has two closed isobars, making it a tropical storm.


Oh i see, pressure gradiant is greater and therefore more wind
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211. ncstorm 5:02 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
the 12z Nogaps

two lows on the SE coast..nogaps picking up on the idea as the GFS was yesterday



Looks like the nogaps is taking the hurricane towards texas


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212. BigTuna 5:02 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting help4u:
Remember when the OZONE HOLE was going to kill mankind in 1992

Remember when we addressed that problem by banning CFC's? It's funny how problems get solved when we take action.
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213. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 5:03 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting help4u:
Remember when the OZONE HOLE was going to kill mankind in 1992,the earth is suppose to melt by 2014,and the "earth is a million degree's hot",ALGORE.Polar bears were all going to die off,record population now.Poster's on here make fun of religious people but they worship with the GLOBAL WARMING GODS AT THE ALTAR!This place is fantasy land,end of world gloom and doom!Keeps me coming back,love you guys!
how the day going today joe b
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214. HurricaneHunterJoe 5:03 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    


Does this muddy the picture any?
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215. StormTracker2K 5:03 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
NC Senate panel rejects sea level rise warning

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — A much mocked proposal to ignore scientists' warnings of rising sea levels is moving ahead in the North Carolina Senate.

The Senate's environment committee on Thursday approved a measure sought by coastal developers and mocked by comedian Stephen Colbert. The full Senate was expected to vote Monday on whether to ignore a state-appointed science panel's warning that sea levels could rise by more than three feet by 2100. That could threaten 2,000 square miles of coastland.

The bill approved by the senate committee says that only the N.C. Coastal Resources Commission can calculate how fast the sea is rising and those calculations must be based on historic trends, which are much lower than the science panel's projections.

A coastal development group, NC-20, disputes the science panel's findings and they say the state should instead plan for seas to rise by about eight inches. They say stricter regulations would hurt the coastal economy.

"Science should be based on real hard data," said Sen. David Rouzer, R-Johnston County, who presented the bill. "Just because there is a group of folks that project the sea level rise does not mean the sea will rise. There was consensus years and years and years ago that the earth was flat; turned out to be round."

The only dissenting voice during the discussion was Rob Jackson, professor of environmental science at Duke University. He asked the senators to hold the bill for a month to allow for more input from scientists and the public.

"My primary concern is that the bill won't take into account the best science available," Jackson said. "It's already clear to the scientific community that the rates of sea level rise are accelerating. We know why they're rising because of warmer temperatures and ice melting. This bill basically says we can't use the best scientific information to protect people along the coast of North Carolina."

Rouzer, who is running for the state's 7th Congressional District, disagrees. He said the projections can be adjusted as needed.

"Let's assume in year seven, eight, nine the sea level rise does increase at a more accelerated rate," Rouzer said. "At that point you have that historical data to incorporate in your model to project for the future."

The use of historic data to make future projections drew a large amount of scrutiny before the official text of the bill was introduced for the first time on Thursday. Rouzer said he was aware of Colbert's comments Monday, but did not watch the show.

"Everybody's pursing a different angle for various purposes and I have a great appreciation for comedy, but this is serious business and serious business for the folks on the North Carolina coast," Rouzer said

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216. weatherh98 5:06 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting ncstorm:
the 12z Nogaps

two lows on the SE coast..nogaps picking up on the idea as the GFS was yesterday



Looks like the nogaps is taking the hurricane towards texas




nah man NOLA:P
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217. ncstorm 5:07 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting weatherh98:


nah man NOLA:P


it was taking a left at the last frame..looks like texas on that run
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218. schistkicker 5:07 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
ok doing some research on the flood,I am coming across ALOT of data on the .ummm flood...some say, the earth went thru a huge upheaval, some land sinking, some rising up..mount everest, has sea creature bones on it top..so that WAS..underwater at some point..NOT a flood being THAT high..but the top of mount everest was below sea level at some point in time..we know for sure..the continents move, over time crashing into one another, then moving away..at one time there was only ONE continent...but I was just reading from this article and here is their conculsion...................Conclusion: The Flood Occurred 5000 years ago
C14 is not useful in dating before 5000 B.P. according to the discoverer of the method.
River deltas suggest a recent (ca. 3000 BC?) flood.
All written history begins ca. 3000 BC.
Foundations of cities began then.
Families of mankind began then. Geneologies date back to it.
A 10,000 BC (or earlier) flood wreaks havoc with geneologies.
There is no record of a 10,000 BC flood in ANY of the literature.
The Gilgamesh Epic (and other epics) fit well into a 3000 BC date.
The biblical account did not derive from other literature. It is eyewitness testimony.
It is clear from the biblical account that there was a universal flood about 3000 BC.



There's so much wrong in this that I'm not even sure where to begin.
C-14 dating can be extended far beyond 5000 years. There was no global flood. Local/regional floods, sure. What's now the Himalaya has not been underwater since the mid-Cenozoic, prior to the collisiion and docking of India with southern Asia.
There are genetic bottlenecks in human population, but they date back to closer to 75,000 BP, not 3,000 or even 10,000.
If there WAS a global flood 3000 years ago, there are some archeological and historical records of cultures such as the Egyptians and Chinese that mysteriously ignored such a calamity.
If you do some simple back-of-the-envelope calculations, there are significant problems with a) repopulations and restorations of biomes that would have been devastated by inundation. Rates of soil formation, deposition, lithification, erosion, all fly in the face of a global flood.
Not to mention, in order to repopulate the planet, the female humans traveling with Noah would have had to have been improbably fertile. You can do some back of the envelope calculations on what birth rates would be required.
And this isn't even getting into some thermodynamics that would have been extremely problematic for life as we know it, should there have been that much water vapor in the atmosphere.

You can believe whatever you want. But if you want to propose bad biology, geology, physics, and chemistry, don't be surprised when science pays you no mind.
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220. weatherh98 5:08 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting allancalderini:
If I remember correctly Irwin and Jova were form by the help of the MJO or I am wrong?


notsure but a lot of storms form from it
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221. STXHurricanes2012 5:10 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting weatherh98:


i jus see thunderstorms

He means the beginnings of it...take it easily.
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222. weatherh98 5:11 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting ncstorm:


it was taking a left at the last frame..looks like texas on that run


i was kidding ahah
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223. Neapolitan 5:12 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting Chucktown:




Who cares, it will keep forecasting the weather a continued challenge in the years to come and at the same time, keep me employed.
Yeah, who cares about mass forced migrations? Major loss of biodiversity? Region-wide food shortages? Increasingly frequent and destructive extreme weather events? Rapid extinctions? Social and political upheaval on a global scale unlike anything the planet has experienced in modern times? So long as our nation's medium-market TV weather readers can still earn a paycheck, what else really matters? ;-)
Quoting help4u:
Remember when the OZONE HOLE was going to kill mankind in 1992.
That didn't happen thanks to science winning out. The Montreal Protocol ensured that we saw what we were doing, took action, and prevented a certain calamity. Unfortunately, the people in power on one side of the aisle then were more inclined to rely on fact, and less inclined to be swayed by an increasingly extremist anti-science ideology fueled by fossil fuel's very deep pockets.
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224. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 5:12 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
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225. reedzone 5:13 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting tropicfreak:


Please take that global warming crap into the GW blog. Also can we not judge others based on religion. Instead of putting us Christians down, why don't you respect our beliefs, do you see us putting you down for being a non-Christian? Just saying.


Amen! I'm a conservative Christian.
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226. Patrap 5:14 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Human-Induced Ocean Warming Study Addresses The 'Dominant Role' Of People

Despite the onslaught of politicians attempting to project an air of question around man-made climate change, studies continue to emerge proving the connection between human actions and our changing environment. The most recent study, published in Nature Climate Change, finds an "anthropogenic fingerprint" (human influence) on our warming oceans.

The study, "Human-Induced Global Ocean Warming On Multidecadal Timescales," was conducted by researchers in the U.S., Australia, Japan and India. Based on observations of rising upper-ocean temperatures, the researchers used improved estimates of ocean temperatures to examine the causes of our warming ocean.
According to a Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory press release, the study shows that over the past 50 years, observed ocean warming is explained only when greenhouse gas increases are included in the models.

Lead author and LLNL climate scientist Peter Gleckler said in the press release, "The bottom line is that this study substantially strengthens the conclusion that most of the observed global ocean warming over the past 50 years is attributable to human activities."

Gleckler added, "Although we performed a series of tests to account for the impact of various uncertainties, we found no evidence that simultaneous warming of the upper layers of all seven seas can be explained by natural climate variability alone. Humans have played a dominant role."

Report co-author Dr. John Church explained to Australia's ABC News AM that "Natural variability could only explain 10 percent, or thereabouts, of the observed change."

Oceanography expert Nathan Bindoff told the news organization, "This paper's important because, for the first time, we can actually say that we're virtually certain that the oceans have warmed, and that warming is caused not by natural processes, but by rising greenhouse gases primarily." He added, "We did it. No matter how you look at it, we did it. That's it."

The recent ocean warming study has been released on the heels of other disturbing climate change reports.

Arctic monitoring stations are now measuring over 400 parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, a disturbing milestone that far surpasses the 350 ppm mark that many scientists consider the threshold separating safe from dangerous.

Researchers recently warned in Nature that the world is heading toward a tipping point of disastrous consequences driven by human-led increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide and rising global temperatures:

"The plausibility of a planetary-scale ‘tipping point’ highlights the need to improve biological forecasting by detecting early warning signs of critical transitions on global as well as local scales, and by detecting feedbacks that promote such transitions. It is also necessary to address root causes of how humans are forcing biological changes."

Despite the ominous findings, some politicians are still attempting to project an element of doubt on issues surrounding human-induced climate change. A Virginia lawmaker recently fought to omit mentions of "climate change" and "sea level rise" from a coastal flooding study, telling the BBC, "The jury's still out" on whether humans contribute to global warming. Despite his claim, studies such as the recent ocean warming one are turning in a pretty clear verdict.

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227. Bitmap7 5:14 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Been begging for this setup all week. Here in Cayman, almost everyday last week, as well as yesterday was at least 90F. I have had to use the air conditioning every night since.

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229. ncstorm 5:16 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
12z CMC

two lows on the SE coast..


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230. STXHurricanes2012 5:18 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
One's not even closed lol
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231. BobWallace 5:18 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting Chucktown:




Who cares, it will keep forecasting the weather a continued challenge in the years to come and at the same time, keep me employed.


Who cares?

Anyone with children and grandchildren should care. As should anyone who cares about the lives of the generations that follow those.

Anyone who believes in taking personal responsibility should care.

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232. Stormchaser121 5:18 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    

Storm to hit the TX coast around the 23rd. A few models suggest this possibility.
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233. aspectre 5:19 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
150 carcar: To me it seems like the battle between the AGW and anti-AGW people is a lot like how the Baptist and the Catholics acted towards each other back in the early 1900's.

Early 1900s like heck. The DeepSouth had state laws forbidding Catholics from holding government offices and the employment of Catholics for government positions until after the CivilRightsAct was passed in 1964.
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234. etxwx 5:19 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Just had a nice shower here between Jasper and Dam B in East Texas....about .25 inches. Rolling thunder but nothing severe, no hail. Trying to shoo it southwest to you Houston folks...good luck!
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235. Patrap 5:20 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
The World as We Know It Is About to End, Say Some Really Frightened Scientists

Published on Jun 5, 2012 by ucberkeleycampuslife

A group of scientists from around the world who are part of The Berkeley Initiative in Global Change Biology (BiGCB) is warning that an ever-growing population and widespread destruction of natural ecosystems may be driving Earth toward a planet-wide tipping point, an irreversible change in the biosphere with unpredictable consequences. Anthony Barnosky, professor of integrative biology at the University of California, Berkeley, is the lead author of a review paper about this issue in the journal Nature.

For full story: NewsCenter.berkeley.edu

Video by Roxanne Makasdjian, UC Berkeley Media Relations

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236. Tribucanes 5:22 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
I'm a conservative Christian and while I know many of the views I posted months ago were not supported here, I didn't feel mocked or made fun of. People countered with their opinions, which weren't always the nicest, but that's okay; it's a controversial subject. People are entitled to their opinions.
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237. Hurricane1956 5:25 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting ncstorm:
the 12z Nogaps

two lows on the SE coast..nogaps picking up on the idea as the GFS was yesterday



Looks like the nogaps is taking the hurricane towards texas


In the run that I just check the Nogaps takes the low or tropical storm from the Yucatan to South Florida?,link below:
http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ngptc2.cgi?time=20 12061200&field=850mb+Vorticity&hour=Animation
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238. kwgirl 5:27 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
folks I have a serious question,maybe someone here has the answer, many people have told me to use Roof tie-downs...my question is..has anyone here really used them in a hurricane and are they..worth the cost? and most importantly..do they really work?
I can tell you they are used here in the Keys and they will give you a discount on windstorm, IF the inspector can get in to inspect. Like most promises Citizen makes, such as, "harden your home and we will give you a discount", they do not always pan out.
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239. stormpetrol 5:28 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Link

Watch 11.5N/78W for some "potential development"
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240. ncstorm 5:30 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
The malicious attacks by some bloggers today just reinforces how cruel this world has become. So much else going on in the present world with children murdered, starvation, jobless people and an economy on the brink of a depression but yet people come on here and ridicule other people just because they dont agree with GW? It just shows what this site has become..For NCians to be called Nazi's on account of GW is the most asinine statement ever made here but yet it will stay and be plussed which says a lot about those who do agree with it..Dr. Masters, is this what your blog is coming too? Medication is surely needed for some folks here.
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241. Tribucanes 5:31 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
I have an active life and know many across both social and political spectrum. Outside of talking here about GW, I don't ever recall having it been a topic that's ever been brought up with friends. Never at work either has it been brought up. As I think about it now, I'm thinking, "Wow, that's a little scary." Any of you have that be the case too?
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242. Patrap 5:32 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    


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243. STXHurricanes2012 5:32 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting Hurricane1956:
In the run that I just check the Nogaps takes the low or tropical storm from the Yucatan to South Florida?,link below:
http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ngptc2.cgi?time=20 12061200&field=850mb+Vorticity&hour=Animat ion

6z run i think...the one that got posted is 12z
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244. VAstorms 5:33 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
So, when NC has major damage from a large hurricane because they chose to ignore scientific warnings about sea level rise, why as a country are we then obligated to pay for their damage. It's like saying that seat belt laws are unscientific, then wanting other insured people to pay for your injuries.
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245. Tribucanes 5:34 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
I stand by my prior comment 100% and would choose to change not one single word.
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246. HurricaneHunterJoe 5:36 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting help4u:
Remember when the OZONE HOLE was going to kill mankind in 1992,the earth is suppose to melt by 2014,and the "earth is a million degree's hot",ALGORE.Polar bears were all going to die off,record population now.Poster's on here make fun of religious people but they worship with the GLOBAL WARMING GODS AT THE ALTAR!This place is fantasy land,end of world gloom and doom!Keeps me coming back,love you guys!
You make me wanna go to a church for the first time in a while and say a prayer for you
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247. Patrap 5:36 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    




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248. Patrap 5:39 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    


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249. VAstorms 5:39 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting CapeFearRising:
Please stop telling people not to discuss global warming and rising sea levels in the comment section of a blog that specifically addressed global warming and rising sea levels.

If you wish to change the subject and discuss the Gulf of Mexico, do so IN YOUR OWN BLOG.


And, I don't believe that Dr. Masters mentioned religion in his original post anywhere.
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250. Patrap 5:42 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
www.esl.lsu.edu/imagery/modis

MODIS True Color images for 06/11/2012
Click any thumbnail for a full-resolution image





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251. HurricaneHunterJoe 5:42 PM GMT en Junio 12, 2012    
Quoting Tribucanes:
People of N.C, where I grew up in Wilson, support their legislature doing this and strongly. The criminal misinformation campaign has deluded America to the point of idiocy in many quarters. With hundreds of billions going to the top five percent under Bush; we managed to lose seven million jobs at the same time. Evil is at work, has been at work, and will continue to be at work. Anti-science from the right pushed and funded by big business is nothing short of Nazi propaganda. The end result could really kill millions if not challenged and defeated. Problem is anti-science propaganda has won the day in real time legislation in states that go Republican. We are losing the information battle. Corporations own all media outlets of information almost across the board, so it's no surprise. We need to get organized and start affecting state elections, but for that to happen we need a national leader of the likes of Kennedy, Lincoln, and Dr. Martin Luther King. Is he or she even out there?
Yup,money wins again,we are doomed.....lol....i have to laugh to avoid crying
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