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Did Hurricane Wilma have 209 mph sustained winds?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:00 PM GMT en Abril 28, 2012 +51
At last week's 30th Conference on Hurricanes and Tropical Meteorology of the American Meteorological Society, Dr. Eric Uhlhorn of NOAA's Hurricane Research Division presented a poster that looked at the relationship between surface winds measured by the SFMR instrument and flight-level winds in two Category 5 storms. Hurricane Hunter flights done into Category 5 Supertyphoon Megi (17 October 2010) and Category 5 Hurricane Felix (03 September 2007) found that the surface winds measured by SFMR were greater than those measured at flight level (10,000 feet.) Usually, surface winds in a hurricane are 10 - 15% less than at 10,000 feet, but he showed that in super-intense Category 5 storms with small eyes, the dynamics of these situations may generate surface winds that are as strong or stronger than those found at 10,000 feet. He extrapolated this statistical relationship (using the inertial stability measured at flight level) to Hurricane Wilma of 2005, which was the strongest hurricane on record (882 mb), but was not observed by the SFMR. He estimated that the maximum wind averaged around the eyewall in Wilma at peak intensity could have been 209 mph, plus or minus 20 mph--so conceivably as high as 229 mph, with gusts to 270 mph. Yowza. That's well in excess of the 200 mph minimum wind speed a top end EF-5 tornado has. The Joplin, Missouri EF-5 tornado of May 22, 2011 had winds estimated at 225 - 250 mph. That tornado ripped pavement from the ground, leveled buildings to the concrete slabs they were built on, and killed 161 people. It's not a pretty thought to consider what Wilma would have done to Cancun, Key West, or Fort Myers had the hurricane hit with sustained winds of what the Joplin tornado had.


Figure 1. Hurricane Wilma's pinhole eye as seen at 8:22 a.m. CDT Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2005, by the crew aboard NASA's international space station as the complex flew 222 miles above the storm. At the time, Wilma was the strongest Atlantic hurricane in history, with a central pressure of 882 mb and sustained surface winds estimated at 185 mph. The storm was located in the Caribbean Sea, 340 miles southeast of Cozumel, Mexico. Image source: NASA's Space Photo Gallery.


Figure 2. Damage in Joplin, Missouri after the EF-5 tornado of May 22, 2011. Image credit: wunderphotographer thebige.

Official all-time strongest winds in an Atlantic hurricane: 190 mph
The official record for strongest winds in an Atlantic hurricane is 190 mph, for Hurricane Allen of 1980 as it was entering the Gulf of Mexico, and for Hurricane Camille of 1969, as it was making landfall in Pass Christian, Mississippi. In Dr. Bob Sheets' and Jack Williams' book, Hurricane Watch, they recount the Hurricane Hunters flight into Camile as the hurricane reached peak intensity: On Sunday afternoon, August 17, and Air Force C-130 piloted by Marvin Little penetrated Camille's eye and measured a pressure of 26.62 inches of mercury. "Just as we were nearing the eyewall cloud we suddenly broke into a clear area and could see the sea surface below," the copilot, Robert Lee Clark, wrote in 1982. "What a sight! Although everyone on the crew was experienced except me, no one had seen the wind whip the sea like that before...Instead of the green and white splotches normally found in a storm, the sea surface was in deep furrows running along the wind direction....The velocity was beyond the descriptions used in our training and far beyond anything we had ever seen." So, the 190 mph winds of Camille were an estimate that was off the scale from anything that had ever been observed in the past. The books that the Hurricane Hunters carried, filled with photos of the sea state at various wind speeds, only goes up to 150 mph (Figure 2). I still used this book to estimate surface winds when I flew with the Hurricane Hunters in the late 1980s, and the books are still carried on the planes today. In the two Category 5 hurricanes I flew into, Hugo and Gilbert, I never observed the furrowing effect referred to above. Gilbert had surface winds estimated at 175 mph based on what we measured at flight level, so I believe the 190 mph wind estimate in Camille may be reasonable.


Figure 3. Appearance of the sea surface in winds of 130 knots (150 mph). Image credit: Wind Estimations from Aerial Observations of Sea Conditions (1954), by Charlie Neumann.


Figure 4. Radar image of Hurricane Camille taken at 22:15 UTC August 17, 1969, a few hours before landfall in Mississippi. At the time, Camille had the highest sustained winds of any Atlantic hurricane in history--190 mph.

The infamous hurricane hunter flight into Wilma during its rapid intensification
While I was at last week's conference, I had a conversation with Rich Henning, a flight meteorologist for NOAA's Hurricane Hunters, who served for many years as a Air Reconnaissance Weather Officer (ARWO) for the Air Force Hurricane Hunters. Rich told me the story of the Air Force Hurricane Hunter mission into Hurricane Wilma in the early morning hours of October 19, 2005, as Wilma entered its explosive deepening phase. The previous airplane, which had departed Category 1 Wilma six hours previously, flew through Wilma at an altitude of 5,000 feet. They measured a central pressure of 954 mb when they departed the eye at 23:10 UTC. The crew of the new plane assumed that the hurricane, though intensifying, was probably not a major hurricane, and decided that they would also go in at 5,000 feet. Winds outside the eyewall were less than hurricane force, so this seemed like a reasonable assumption. Once the airplane hit the eyewall, they realized their mistake. Flight level winds quickly rose to 186 mph, far in excess of Category 5 strength, and severe turbulence rocked the aircraft. The aircraft was keeping a constant pressure altitude to maintain their height above the ocean during the penetration, but the area of low pressure at Wilma's center was so intense that the airplane descended at over 1,000 feet per minute during the penetration in order to maintain a constant pressure altitude. By they time they punched into the incredibly tiny 4-mile wide eye, which had a central pressure of just 901 mb at 04:32 UTC, the plane was at a dangerously low altitude of 1,500 feet--not a good idea in a Category 5 hurricane. The pilot ordered an immediate climb, and the plane exited the other side of Wilma's eyewall at an altitude of 10,000 feet. They maintained this altitude for the remainder of the flight. During their next pass through the eye at 06:11 UTC, the diameter of the eye had shrunk to an incredibly tiny two miles--the smallest hurricane eye ever measured. During their third and final pass through the eye at 0801 UTC, a dropsonde found a central pressure of 882 mb--the lowest pressure ever observed in an Atlantic hurricane. In the span of just 24 hours, Wilma had intensified from a 70 mph tropical storm to a 175 mph category 5 hurricane--an unprecedented event for an Atlantic hurricane. Since the pressure was still falling, it is likely that Wilma became even stronger after the mission departed.

I'll have a new post by Tuesday at the latest.

Jeff Masters
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601. WxGeekVA 3:41 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Do you know how close they were to Moscow before winter hit? 10 miles! They most certainly could have taken Moscow if it were not for winter. As for taking the rest of the country I do not know. Would most likely become a large scaled gorilla war-fair on the USSR's part.


Sorry, but I can't resist..



Gorilla War
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602. WxGeekVA 3:43 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting yqt1001:


What I meant to say is that taking Moscow would've likely ended up in a Stalingrad type of battle (a battle Nazis couldn't win because of lack of tank support). I'm sure even children would be armed fighting against the nazis in what would probably be a battle 3 times worse than Stalingrad. Nazis probably would've still won but barely and probably long after winter...


And what if Japan had of attacked Russia's Eastern flank, and the Soviets had to deal with a two front war? Stalin would have to divert troops from the Western/German front to the Eastern/Japanese front...
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603. hurricanehunter27 3:43 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting Ossqss:


Hummm, what is your take on the current value of something and then doubling the available amount of such (Dollars)? Is it worth the same after that or perhaps less ?

How much Gold is currently in existence?

Is it enough to cover things for everyone?

To answer you first question doubling the amount of currency would cause massive inflation so why would you ever do that? The scarcity of gold is what gives it its value for second question and I do not know the exact amount. For your third question yes. The US government would just say how much gold each dollar is worth accordingly to our reserves. Also the collapse of the Euro would not be to significant to banks and such because they have had time and are aware of what is going on. They have placed a good portion of there value in more secure items such as metal ect.
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604. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 3:43 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
war is a fools game
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605. Patrap 3:44 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Weather, who'd a thunk?

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606. nigel20 3:44 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting PedleyCA:
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607. yqt1001 3:44 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


And what if Japan had of attacked Russia's Eastern flank, and the Soviets had to deal with a two front war? Stalin would have to divert troops from the Western/German front to the Eastern/Japanese front...


Then the soviets would've lost. But Japan wasn't in a position to attack the USSR. Anyways at this point the conversation is degenerating into "what ifs" and would be better at an alternate history forum. :P
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608. Patrap 3:44 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
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609. yqt1001 3:45 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting Patrap:
Weather, who'd a thunk?



What's a weather?

Is that what this blog is for?
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610. TropicalAnalystwx13 3:45 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
I'm not all that sure a tornado watch is warranted despite the fact that Effective Storm Relative Helicity values lie over 300 m2/s2. I mean, if any storms are able to become rooted at the surface, they have the potential of producing a tornado, but with the intense cap across the area, I just don't see that happening.

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611. Patrap 3:46 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Politicians are like Diapers, they both need to be changed often, and for the same reasons.

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612. WxGeekVA 3:46 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
war is a fools game


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613. hurricanehunter27 3:46 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Sorry, but I can't resist..



Gorilla War
Lol I have been spelling it wrong all of these years and no one has corrected me until now. Guerrilla war-fair.
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614. Patrap 3:47 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Currently Active Tropical Cyclones

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615. PedleyCA 3:48 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Update on Earthquake here in SoCal. I wasn't on the San Andreas fault but on one of two smaller faults that branch off of it. There were also several small aftershocks of 2.0, 1.8, 1.4, 1.5 all within 4 hours of the main quake. Most of the locals didn't even feel these.
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616. Patrap 3:49 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Major Hurricane Wilma
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617. hurricanehunter27 3:49 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
war is a fools game
Its seems to be a game we like to play. I really do wonder what drives us to war. What causes it. Ambition?
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618. hurricanehunter27 3:50 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Love that movie. Is still one of my favorites.
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619. Tribucanes 3:50 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
what's the opposite of progress?...........Congress But seriously Milwaukee and Chicago going to be under the gun Wednesday looks like. High warning this far out how unusual is that for this area?
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620. nigel20 3:51 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
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621. WxGeekVA 3:52 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Its seems to be a game we like to play. I really do wonder what drives us to war. What causes it. Ambition?


Deep-rooted primal instincts of which we haven't evolved out of yet. The Alpha-Male complex. And has anyone noticed that almost all of the people who are known for war related fame/infame (with the exception of a few) are men...? It's a testosterone thing.
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622. hurricanehunter27 3:53 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting yqt1001:


What's a weather?

Is that what this blog is for?
Have to admit that was one of the best discussions I have had on the blog. That and the discussion me and Patrap had about tornado ratings being higher in Dixie Ally because of the higher population in the area.
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623. Grothar 3:53 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Lol I have been spelling it wrong all of these years and no one has corrected me until now. Guerrilla war-fair.


Some of us are just to polite.

CHARGE!!!!!!!!1


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624. Patrap 3:55 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Bruce Springsteen is doing his Jazz Fest Show tomorrow.

Weather is a def go.






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625. hurricanehunter27 3:55 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting Tribucanes:
what's the opposite of progress?...........Congress But seriously Milwaukee and Chicago going to be under the gun Wednesday looks like. High warning this far out how unusual is that for this area?
This one made me laugh. And yes its seems like we have a major city under the gun. Can anyone tell me if its a tornadic threat or a Wind/Hail type of deal.
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626. Grothar 3:55 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Sorry,Geek. I didn't mean to copy. I just went back and saw your post. I am trying to catch up on the blog after my little nap. We must have had the same thought.
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627. WxGeekVA 3:56 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Have to admit that was one of the best discussions I have had on the blog. That and the discussion me and Patrap had about tornado ratings being higher in Dixie Ally because of the higher population in the area.


It was a good discussion, everyone was civil and polite, and it was intelligent and sourced as well.

That's about as much as you can ask for on here :)

Good night, my friends!
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628. Patrap 3:58 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Sharing is what happens best here.


Nighty.
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629. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 3:58 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting Patrap:
Weather, who'd a thunk?

thats to swing out into the gulf pat part of it will anyway
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630. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 4:00 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
Sorry,Geek. I didn't mean to copy. I just went back and saw your post. I am trying to catch up on the blog after my little nap. We must have had the same thought.


you falling asleep at the computer again huh
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631. weatherbro 4:02 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
Nigel,it looks like Puerto Rico will have another rainy period starting by midweek and going thru next weekend.


AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
831 PM AST SAT APR 28 2012

.SYNOPSIS...UPPER LEVEL RIDGE WILL HOLD THROUGH SUN THEN BREAK
DOWN ON MON AS UPPER TROUGH ACROSS THE YUCATAN CHANNEL LIFTS OVER
TOP OF IT. FRESH TRADE WINDS WILL WEAKEN TUE THROUGH THU.

&&

.DISCUSSION...STRONG SUBSIDENCE INVERSION IN PLACE OVR THE AREA AS
SEEN ON A 2320Z SJU ACARS SOUNDING. THIS IS NOT LIKELY TO BREAK
UNTIL MON WHEN UPPER TROUGH ACROSS THE YUCATAN WILL LIFT OUT TO
THE NORTHEAST AND BREAK DOWN THE UPPER RIDGE. ALTHOUGH THERE IS A
SLIGHT INCREASE IN LOW LEVEL MOISTURE TOMORROW DEEP CONVECTION
DOES NOT LOOK LIKELY.

BETTER CHANCES OF RAINFALL APPEAR ON TAP MID WEEK WHEN PRES
GRADIENT IS FCST TO RELAX AND WINDS DECREASE ALLOWING FOR BETTER
AFTERNOON SEA BREEZE CONVERGENCE. MID-UPPER LEVEL TROUGH WILL ALSO
ALLOW FOR DEEP LAYER INSTABILITY AND HELP FUEL SHOWERS AND
THUNDERSTORMS. MOISTURE BECOMES DEEPER NEXT WEEKEND IN A MOIST
SOUTHEAST FLOW.


Now it appears some models want to take it back towards Haiti(or north of it), breaking down the ridge over the Lesser Antilles that drove it this far(if I'm hearing correctly)?!
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632. Ossqss 4:03 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
To answer you first question doubling the amount of currency would cause massive inflation so why would you ever do that? The scarcity of gold is what gives it its value for second question and I do not know the exact amount. For your third question yes. The US government would just say how much gold each dollar is worth accordingly to our reserves. Also the collapse of the Euro would not be to significant to banks and such because they have had time and are aware of what is going on. They have placed a good portion of there value in more secure items such as metal ect.


Start here and dig for yourself. Gnight>
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633. PedleyCA 4:03 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Spelling Errors If you want your spelling errors brought to your attention, I would be glad to point them out. I usually just reply to a post and correct the error and say nothing. Maybe that person gets the hint. Or I might just point it out if it amuses me.....
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634. hurricanehunter27 4:05 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Well night everyone! Just realized I have only slept 4 hours in the past 48.
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635. nigel20 4:05 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


It was a good discussion, everyone was civil and polite, and it was intelligent and sourced as well.

That's about as much as you can ask for on here :)

Good night, my friends!

Good night WxGVA...i'm off to bed as well have a good night fellow bloggers
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636. Tribucanes 4:07 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
surly your and English teacher. :) or had a mother for one. Or simply a gregarious wordsmith with OCD but only when it comes to spelling.
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637. hurricanehunter27 4:08 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting Ossqss:


Start here and dig for yourself. Gnight>
Thank you sir and goodnight as well.
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638. PedleyCA 4:08 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Good Night All, Be Safe, Have a Good Rest (more than 4 hours)
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639. Grothar 4:15 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


you falling asleep at the computer again huh


Yes, for some strange reason there is a T Y U I imprinted on my forhead. I don't know where it came from.
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640. Grothar 4:21 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting PedleyCA:
Spelling Errors If you want your spelling errors brought to your attention, I would be glad to point them out. I usually just reply to a post and correct the error and say nothing. Maybe that person gets the hint. Or I might just point it out if it amuses me.....


It really isn't polite to correct someone's spelling on the blog, or their grammar. But sometimes it can be funny. Since English is not really my first language, I am always a little hesitant to correct someone anyway. English is by far, one of the most difficult languages to write correctly. Even Klingon is pretty much phonetic.
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641. EricSFL 4:21 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
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642. Tribucanes 4:22 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
SW to North Central Oklahoma looking less that ideal. So many powerful individual cells, are they strengthening?
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643. belizeit 4:23 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
I love the Tropics but tonight was to much for me African bees invaded my bedroom while i was out and one of those wet frogs has been sitting in the bathroom the last couple of days and lizards running around on the ceiling trying to get as many insects as possible before lights out.
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644. belizeit 4:26 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:


It really isn't polite to correct someone's spelling on the blog, or their grammar. But sometimes it can be funny. Since English is not really my first language, I am always a little hesitant to correct someone anyway. English is by far, one of the most difficult languages to write correctly. Even Klingon is pretty much phonetic.
Thats why i prefered German to English in School i had better grades
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645. Grothar 4:26 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
We've got debris!

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646. Tribucanes 4:28 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Seriously? Pretty cool, and the lizards hey sound like good pets to me. Any thing anti-bug, buggers buzzing by your ear at night; the worst. And hey it beats Australia where you get the occasional brown in the bathroom. Cheers to a bite free night, good luck.
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647. Grothar 4:29 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting belizeit:
Thats why i prefered German to English in School i had better grades


German has difficult grammar,though. Are you proficient in it? We could write off-blog in German if you like. I do that with a number of other bloggers. Sometimes they do not understand all the terms during the season and I translate it for them. Especially the slang terms.
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648. EricSFL 4:29 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
We've got debris!


The rain refuses to move inland.
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649. Grothar 4:31 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting EricSFL:

The rain refuses to move inland.


I know, I am right on the coast and we barely got a sprinkle today. The map looks like we are getting pounded, but nothing but high clouds and not a bit of wind.
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650. Grothar 4:34 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting belizeit:
Thats why i prefered German to English in School i had better grades


Do you speak Kriol?
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651. Barefootontherocks 4:34 AM GMT en Abril 29, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I'm not all that sure a tornado watch is warranted despite the fact that Effective Storm Relative Helicity values lie over 300 m2/s2. I mean, if any storms are able to become rooted at the surface, they have the potential of producing a tornado, but with the intense cap across the area, I just don't see that happening.

Tornado Watch 201 Probabilities

Tornadoes
Probability of 2 or more tornadoes
Mod (40%)

Probability of 1 or more strong (F2-F5) tornadoes
Mod (30%)

(mod.) Nevermind.

Of course, in OK we'd all be happy with some nice rain and gentle hail.
:)

We're gonna get what we get.
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