New USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map for gardeners shows a warming climate

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:17 PM GMT en Febrero 01, 2012

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Wintertime minimum temperatures in the U.S. have risen so much in recent decades that the United States Department of Agriculture decided last week to update their Plant Hardiness Zone Map for gardeners for the first time since 1990. The Plant Hardiness Zone Map is the standard by which gardeners and growers can determine which plants are most likely to thrive at a location. The map is based on the average annual minimum winter temperature, divided into 10-degree F zones. Compared to the 1990 version, zone boundaries in the new 2012 edition of the map have generally shifted one 5-degree Fahrenheit half-zone warmer than the previous map throughout much of the United States. This is mostly a result of using temperature data from a longer and more recent time period. The old 1990 map was based on temperature data from only a 13-year period of 1974-1986, while the new map uses data from the 30-year period 1976-2005.


Figure 1. Comparison of the 1990 and 2012 USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Maps. Image credit: USDA and Arbor Day Foundation

Northwards, ho!
While humans are generally not attuned enough to nature's rhythms to tell if the climate is changing, plants and animals know the climate is changing. Many species of animals, insects, and plants have shifted their ranges poleward and to higher elevations in recent decades because of global warming. The 2007 IPCC report stated that "numerous studies document a progressively earlier spring by about 2.3 to 5.2 days per decade in the last 30 years in response to climate warming. That report also documented over 400 species that have moved their ranges poleward or to higher elevations because of climate change. For example, conifer trees expanded northwards into former tundra areas at a rate of 12 km per year between 1982 - 2000 in portions of Canada (Fillol and Royer, 2003.) Holly plants moved northwards by several hundred kilometers in recent decades into coastal Norway, Northeast Germany, Denmark, and coastal Sweden in response to warming temperatures (Walther et al., 2005.) As the climate continues to warm, plant and animal species previously unknown in many regions will appear, and will disappear from places they used to inhabit.


Figure 2. Change in the boundary line between conifer forest (taiga) and tundra between 1982 (grey line) and 2000 (white line) over Canada. In the grey box marked "Transect", the rate of northwards migration was 12 km per year, or 228 km (142 miles) in nineteen years. Image credit: Fillol and Royer, 2003, "Variability analysis of the transitory climate regime as defined by the NDVI/Ts relationship derived from NOAA-AVHRR over Canada", Geoscience and Remote Sensing Symposium, 2003. IGARSS '03. Proceedings. 2003 IEEE International.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting HurrikanEB:
Does anyone know what the arctic oscillation/el nino situation was during the winter of 2007? Or where i might be able to find out.. was searching on google and didnt seem to find anything.

Winter 2006-2007 had even less snow to date here in new york than this winter has. Wondering if there was a correlation.


Try the bottom of this page:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWli nk/daily_ao_index/ao_index.html
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Quoting WxGeekVA:
For old times' sake:



000
WTNT42 KNHC 312039
TCDAT2

MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DISCUSSION NUMBER 100
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL1002011
1100 PM EST WED FEB 1 2012



…...MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS IS THE MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE EVER TO FORM IN ANY BASIN..... MAX SUSTAINED WINDS ARE AT 500MPH....GUSTING TO 550MPH. PRESSURE HAS DROPPED TO 652MB..... ANYONE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM PREPARE TO BE ROUNDHOUSE KICKED BY THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE THING ON THE PLANET EVER...CHUCK NORRIS...........

....DVORAK INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM BOTH AGENCIES REMAIN AT
495 MPH..BUT AMSU INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN CIMSS ARE A LITTLE HIGHER. THE INTENSITY IS SET AT 500 MPH
FOR THIS ADVISORY. NOTHING CAN STOP THIS INCREDIBLE STORM...SO CONTINUED INTENSIFICATION IS FORECAST.......... NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR CHUCK NORRIS CAN CAUSE AN INCREASE IN SHEAR.......AND AGAIN, NOTHING INHIBITS
INTENSIFICATION OF THIS MOSTER STORM............NOTHING CAN STOP CHUCK NORRIS EXCEPT ANOTHER CHUCK NORRIS......... ALL OF THE
GLOBAL COMPUTER FORECASTING MODELS...SUCH AS THE GFS AND NAM...HAVE REFUSED TO WORK BECAUSE MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DEFIES ALL MODEL GUIDANCE............
THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST IS WHATEVER CHUCK NORRIS WANTS AND WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.....


THE STORM CONTINUES TO MOVE WHEREVER HE WANTS......... THE TRACK FORECAST AND REASONING ARE
ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED. MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS WILL MOVE SOMEWHERE ....AND THEN HEAD TOWARDS YOU IF YOU WANT HIM TO GO OUT TO SEA AND AWAY FROM YOU.......... THIS STORM WILL MAKE LANDFALL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ANTARCTICA AND THE NORTH POLE.......WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE.........

......YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF THE PATH OF THIS STORM AS THERE IS NO RUNNING FROM CHUCK NORRIS...HE WILL FIND YOU......OUR BEST ADVICE IS TO STAY INSIDE....AND DRINK MOUNTAIN DEW......

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS:

INIT 31/2100Z ?N ?W 500 MPH
12H 01/0600Z ?N ?W 515 MPH
24H 01/1800Z ?N ?W 525 MPH
36H 02/0600Z ?N ?W 535 MPH
48H 02/1800Z ?N ?W 540 MPH
72H 03/1800Z ?N ?W 555 MPH
96H 04/1800Z ?N ?W 575 MPH
120H 05/1800Z ?N ?W 605 MPH



$$
FORECASTER WXGEEKVA

Chuck sucks.LOl.
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Quoting TheoJesse:
At Home
I bought a home and paid for it before I retired. My insurance company saw fit to cancel my wind and hail because I lived south of I-10 in Mobile County, Al.
The cheapest wind and hail insc. I could find was $1500
a year. You ain't paying that on Social Security. I don't what I will do if I get hit hard.
Jesse


Deductable in FLA for wind damage is $5k. I never looked into a seperate policy for the coverage. Sometimes you have to take your own risk. Our risk against the insurance company's after a major weather event, it's a hard thing to determine.
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Night Everyone!


....Also this.

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For old times' sake:



000
WTNT42 KNHC 312039
TCDAT2

MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DISCUSSION NUMBER 100
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL1002011
1100 PM EST WED FEB 1 2012



…...MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS IS THE MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE EVER TO FORM IN ANY BASIN..... MAX SUSTAINED WINDS ARE AT 500MPH....GUSTING TO 550MPH. PRESSURE HAS DROPPED TO 652MB..... ANYONE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM PREPARE TO BE ROUNDHOUSE KICKED BY THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE THING ON THE PLANET EVER...CHUCK NORRIS...........

....DVORAK INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM BOTH AGENCIES REMAIN AT
495 MPH..BUT AMSU INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN CIMSS ARE A LITTLE HIGHER. THE INTENSITY IS SET AT 500 MPH
FOR THIS ADVISORY. NOTHING CAN STOP THIS INCREDIBLE STORM...SO CONTINUED INTENSIFICATION IS FORECAST.......... NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR CHUCK NORRIS CAN CAUSE AN INCREASE IN SHEAR.......AND AGAIN, NOTHING INHIBITS
INTENSIFICATION OF THIS MOSTER STORM............NOTHING CAN STOP CHUCK NORRIS EXCEPT ANOTHER CHUCK NORRIS......... ALL OF THE
GLOBAL COMPUTER FORECASTING MODELS...SUCH AS THE GFS AND NAM...HAVE REFUSED TO WORK BECAUSE MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DEFIES ALL MODEL GUIDANCE............
THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST IS WHATEVER CHUCK NORRIS WANTS AND WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.....


THE STORM CONTINUES TO MOVE WHEREVER HE WANTS......... THE TRACK FORECAST AND REASONING ARE
ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED. MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS WILL MOVE SOMEWHERE ....AND THEN HEAD TOWARDS YOU IF YOU WANT HIM TO GO OUT TO SEA AND AWAY FROM YOU.......... THIS STORM WILL MAKE LANDFALL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ANTARCTICA AND THE NORTH POLE.......WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE.........

......YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF THE PATH OF THIS STORM AS THERE IS NO RUNNING FROM CHUCK NORRIS...HE WILL FIND YOU......OUR BEST ADVICE IS TO STAY INSIDE....AND DRINK MOUNTAIN DEW......

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS:

INIT 31/2100Z ?N ?W 500 MPH
12H 01/0600Z ?N ?W 515 MPH
24H 01/1800Z ?N ?W 525 MPH
36H 02/0600Z ?N ?W 535 MPH
48H 02/1800Z ?N ?W 540 MPH
72H 03/1800Z ?N ?W 555 MPH
96H 04/1800Z ?N ?W 575 MPH
120H 05/1800Z ?N ?W 605 MPH



$$
FORECASTER WXGEEKVA

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Quoting opsman27N82W:


As a Floridian, I concur with your *sigh*...all of the major 'insurers' have done the same down leaving us with unknowns that you really have to question what they are covering and what they do not. Then you sweat out an event wondering if you will have a claim honored. *heavy sigh*


Yeah. It's hard to know even what to say. I'm sure more will pull out here too. Not that being with a major was any guarantee of them honoring their policies. We made a minor claim after Ike. Wouldn't ya know it, our policy went up almost exactly that amount the next year.
Last year they canceled out policy and said we could reapply if we agreed to the new one. We went over it with a fine tooth comb. So I hope we'll be ok. Of course our policy renews on June 1st. Guess we'll see.
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We should be lucky enough to have these problems.

From the NYT and the pen of James Kanter.

Obstacles to Danish Wind Power
By JAMES KANTER
Published: January 22, 2012

COPENHAGEN — During howling winter weather two years ago, the thousands of windmills dotting Denmark and its coastline generated so much power that Danes had to pay other countries to take the surplus.

The incident was the first of its kind, and lasted only a few hours. Low temperatures were an aggravating factor, because Denmark’s combined heat and power plants were also running full bore and generating a lot of electricity.

Since then, there have been just two more instances in which the price of wind power in Denmark turned negative for a significant period of time because of excess wind, according to the national grid company, Energinet.dk.

Still, the incidents have highlighted the risks of expanding the reliance on renewable sources like wind before necessary grids, storage and other technologies are established to handle their intermittency and volatility.

The incidents also make the recent proposal by the Danish government — to generate half the nation’s power from wind within eight years, up from less than a quarter currently — look all the more ambitious.

Danish consumers already pay more than the European average for their power, and the Danish Parliament still must approve the target amid concerns that realizing the plan would be expensive and could damage competitiveness.

A major part of the expansion into wind will be at offshore sites that are comparatively costly to build and maintain, compared with onshore sites and many other energy sources.

Martin Lidegaard, the Danish minister for climate and energy, has portrayed the plan as an insurance policy against the rising costs of fossil fuels.

Expanding wind is “a good investment if energy prices increase more than we forecast, and there is a significant risk of that happening,” he said.

Yet the biggest challenges may be more technical than financial.

Meeting the government’s target was “possible but not straightforward,” said Jens Moller Birkebaek, a vice president at Energinet.dk.

A major concern is that the supply of electricity might exceed demand for about 1,000 hours each year by 2020 unless there are substantial changes in the way electricity is managed in Denmark, Mr. Birkebaek said.

Denmark already must store abroad, where the geography is more suitable, large amounts of excess energy from its fleets of windmills.

In Norway and Sweden, wind power from Denmark pumps water uphill to reservoirs. That water is released and drives turbines when power is in demand.

But the Danes often pay more for the repurchased power than they received for the surplus because prices depend on demand in the broader Nordic power market.

Improved weather forecasting could help power companies anticipate when other countries need Danish power or to anticipate when those countries are in a position to sell power to Denmark.

Denmark also is expected to take advantage of an existing plan to remove overhead power lines and bury them underground to install a more efficient and responsive domestic grid to help handle variations in the wind.

But experts say that the critical factor for enabling the government to meet its goal will be investment in new and bigger interconnectors to trade more electricity with neighboring countries.

Along with projects already under way in Scandinavia, there are plans for new interconnectors between Denmark and the Netherlands, and there are early discussions about building an interconnector with Britain, said Anders Eldrup, the chief executive of Dong Energy, the biggest Danish power utility.

“It is a steep increase to go from 20 percent to 50 percent wind in just a few years time, so there is a challenge there,” Mr. Eldrup said. “But I think our experience tells us that there also solutions to these challenges.”

Mr. Eldrup said using vastly more wind is part of his strategy to switch off coal plants within 20 years by using a combination of power generated from wind, biomass and gas, which is less polluting than coal and can be fired up quickly when the wind is not blowing.

“Big-scale wind and gas are a sort of yin and yang,” Mr. Eldrup said.

To encourage this, governments would need to allow utilities to earn a premium rate for using gas to encourage the utilities to switch it on and off when needed, he said.

New storage technologies to manage the increase in wind power might also be necessary, he said.

Among the most promising is electrolysis, or extracting hydrogen from water. The hydrogen could then run fuel cells or be used to synthesize gas to provide power when wind was unavailable.

A breakthrough is possible before the end of the decade but “the technology is not mature there yet,” Mr. Eldrup said.

One storage strategy that Dong is already focused on is the anticipated electrification of the transport sector.

Two years ago Dong Energy took a stake in the Danish subsidiary of Better Place, a U.S. company that leases batteries and builds charging facilities for electric vehicles, including home charging equipment and battery swap stations.

Renault, the French car manufacturer, has received orders in Denmark for about 1,000 models of its all-electric Fluence that will operate on battery systems from Better Place. Delivery of those cars should start in coming weeks, and there could be 20,000 electric cars on Danish roads by 2014, according to Better Place.

That is still a tiny fraction of the two million cars on Danish roads — but enough to help to start balancing power on the national grid, said Torben Andersen, the chief commercial officer for Better Place Denmark.

“Electric cars are basically big batteries on wheels that have the virtue of being largely paid for by consumers and managed by companies like ours,” Mr. Andersen said. “That’s a hugely attractive proposition for utilities in countries like Denmark that need to find outlets for their renewable energy.”

Great idea, using the batteries of the electric cars as part of the electric grid, distributed power, the future.
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Alright guys,
I am a greatgrandfather, I take up for kids with there larning deficts. Be nice
Jesse
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Quoting caneswatch:


You might be right, but with the way he's been acting he needs to learn it.


Dont you have anything else to do then continue to talk about me? Can you not accept the fact that i am NOT done with school and do NOT know every single figure of speech, and word? No i am not admitting i dont know what a double standard is. i do. Period.

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At Home
I bought a home and paid for it before I retired. My insurance company saw fit to cancel my wind and hail because I lived south of I-10 in Mobile County, Al.
The cheapest wind and hail insc. I could find was $1500
a year. You ain't paying that on Social Security. I don't what I will do if I get hit hard.
Jesse
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Quoting KoritheMan:


I think he's too young to know what a double standard is.


You might be right, but with the way he's been acting he needs to learn it.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


People are going to be annoyed at me for standing up for you but I honestly don't care... I was once that awkward kid nobody liked so I try to help out other people who are like what I once was.
I haaaaaaaaaaaaate bullies.
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Quoting caneswatch:


But you don't bring up other topics yourself? That's a double standard.


I think he's too young to know what a double standard is.
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Quoting AtHomeInTX:
Sigh...

State Farm not renewing some policies
Posted: Feb 01, 2012 3:04 PM CST Updated: Feb 01, 2012 3:39 PM CST


State Farm will not renew insurance coverage for thousands of Southeast Texas homeowners.

State Farm Spokesperson Kevin Davis says that nearly 11,000 policies will be affected.

Homeowners living in coastal areas of Jefferson, Orange, Chambers, Galveston and Brazoria Counties will begin to be notified by mail by the beginning of May.

Davis says that the move is to insure that the company has the resources to meet the financial obligations and maintain its standard of service for the majority of Texas customers.

Davis says that local agents will also be affected from the loss of policies, but the move would not affect customers' automobile, rental insurance or other policies.


As a Floridian, I concur with your *sigh*...all of the major 'insurers' have done the same down leaving us with unknowns that you really have to question what they are covering and what they do not. Then you sweat out an event wondering if you will have a claim honored. *heavy sigh*
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Sigh...

State Farm not renewing some policies
Posted: Feb 01, 2012 3:04 PM CST Updated: Feb 01, 2012 3:39 PM CST


State Farm will not renew insurance coverage for thousands of Southeast Texas homeowners.

State Farm Spokesperson Kevin Davis says that nearly 11,000 policies will be affected.

Homeowners living in coastal areas of Jefferson, Orange, Chambers, Galveston and Brazoria Counties will begin to be notified by mail by the beginning of May.

Davis says that the move is to insure that the company has the resources to meet the financial obligations and maintain its standard of service for the majority of Texas customers.

Davis says that local agents will also be affected from the loss of policies, but the move would not affect customers' automobile, rental insurance or other policies.
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Quoting sunlinepr:


The problem with this unending nightmare is that it is affecting us.... and we don't know to what extend.... Global corruption and a troubled economy contribute to hiding or minimizing the truth....
Where is the real data about the effects that the radioactive plume and sea currents are having on US citizens in Hawaii and Alaska and other territories in the Pacific? What about other countries? Can we trust the food we are buying in the supermarket? The only way to know is to have a GCounter and check out groceries when we buy....

Sunlinepr
When I started to school,1949-1950 season, the first thing we learned was how to use a gieger counter. In those day it was about nuclear war. Now it's for everything including the food we eat. I guess we can learn how to endure about anything.
Jesse
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Hi.
Here in Seoul, the low was -17.1C (1.2F) this morning. News reports say that this was the coldest temperature in February since 1977.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


Thank you. YES, i does like weather alot. track tropical systems, July thunderstorms that come over, have a weather station(only barometer works lol) and a new accurate hand-held anemometer. :D

I said i was going to be in tropics chat didnt i...dernit.


People are going to be annoyed at me for standing up for you but I honestly don't care... I was once that awkward kid nobody liked so I try to help out other people who are like what I once was.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


I am shocked. I guess its because i dont tolerate near as much as you mentioned...


I need to seriously learn to leave when conversations leave stuff around the topic of weather...to tropics chat, i go!!


But you don't bring up other topics yourself? That's a double standard.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


That was specifically directed towards everyone else who is calling you a troll. You may be a little different in your beliefs but you still genuinely (I hope) like the weather, so therefore you are okay in my book.


Thank you. YES, i does like weather alot. track tropical systems, July thunderstorms that come over, have a weather station(only barometer works lol) and a new accurate hand-held anemometer. :D

I said i was going to be in tropics chat didnt i...dernit.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


I am shocked. I guess its because i dont tolerate near as much as you mentioned...


I need to seriously learn to leave when conversations leave stuff around the topic of weather...to tropics chat, i go!!


That was specifically directed towards everyone else who is calling you a troll. You may be a little different in your beliefs but you still genuinely (I hope) like the weather, so therefore you are okay in my book.
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Quoting BahaHurican:
Just as a general observation, can we lay off the nitpicky spelling and grammer type comments? I figure if you want to be understood you'll make an effort. Only one or maybe two people in here with grammar so bad they're hard to understand.

Just make sure you spell the weather-related words right....

Shear....



your right....it has a bad affect....its' not very nice...
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


I have nobody on my ignore list. Shocked? Here's why: By the time someone goes far enough to get on my ignore list, they end up getting banned or just leave the site altogether. I have a very high tolerance for nonsense, but I honestly sometimes get very close when people constantly attack one or two people because they are different.

Grow up everyone, not everyone on here is exactly like you, be a little more accepting of each others differences. Seriously.


I am shocked. I guess its because i dont tolerate near as much as you mentioned...


I need to seriously learn to leave when conversations leave stuff around the topic of weather...to tropics chat, i go!!
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Does anyone know what the arctic oscillation/el nino situation was during the winter of 2007? Or where i might be able to find out.. was searching on google and didnt seem to find anything.

Winter 2006-2007 had even less snow to date here in new york than this winter has. Wondering if there was a correlation.
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I just logged on and the 1st thing I see is some kid telling me to grow up. For the record, I think Nea has more than one account. I can't prove it. I do know he has a lot of fans here and they enjoy piling onto me when I post. That's just the way it is. So Tom, if you don't like what I have to say, you know what to do.


wow, i am not alone lol. Good point though. if you dont like somebodys posts, then hit the button saying 'Ignore user'
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Put me on ignore fellas. I'll survive it somehow.


From a silent reader...hang in there!
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Quoting Patrap:


Japan's unending nuclear nightmare.


The problem with this unending nightmare is that it is affecting us.... and we don't know to what extend.... Global corruption and a troubled economy contribute to hiding or minimizing the truth....
Where is the real data about the effects that the radioactive plume and sea currents are having on US citizens in Hawaii and Alaska and other territories in the Pacific? What about other countries? Can we trust the food we are buying in the supermarket? The only way to know is to have a GCounter and check out groceries when we buy....
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Quoting BahaHurican:
I doubt Xyrus is Nea, though. And isn't it slandel or liber or some such if you don't have proof but publically malign someone's reputation? Either way, 1) innocent until proven guilty, and 2) I can't imagine needing to be on this blog so much that you have to make 2 of yourself... I barely have time to be one of me...[lol]

BTW, did u guys get rain with that frontal passage? It rained for almost an hour, at times heavily, as it went through this morning. Felt kinda weird for Feb 1.


its to get a lot weirder there may be a system coming from the west of ya
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Man, u guys are trying to drag me into some kinda philosophical argument here... MUCH too exhausted for that... lol

Anyway, Feb came in with rain in Nassau... I'm hoping it's not too rainy the rest of the month. Usually Feb is a fab month wx-wise: cool, breezy, and sunny. Here's hoping today's nasty weather is the last of it for a few weeks.

I'm gone, ya'll. I need to go to bed....

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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Put me on ignore fellas. I'll survive it somehow.
No can do, Doug... if I put u on ignore, who will there be to argue with.... lol

Seriously, I don't use ignore very much. I think I put somebody on my list last year because they kept posting videos that screwed up the blog for me. The worst offenders otherwise usually, eventually, get caught up in the natural ebb and flow of the blog.

I don't have to agree with everything you say or think to respect your right to say them / think them. What I can't take on the blog is profanity and personal attacks / bickering. At this time of the year the latter doesn't seem so bad, but engaging in too much of it during the slow season is habit forming, and a real nuisance when there's real weather to discuss. I guess what I mean is, live and let live.

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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
You feel better now?


Good. Have a nice evening.
I'm not trying to make you mad or make you look bad, I'm just trying to get you to stop accusing Nea (or anyone) of things that aren't true. Unless you can prove it, don't state it like it's the truth.

Neapolitan, Xyrus, and many others on here actually put a good amount of time into crafting mature, well written posts. It kills me to see someone try to completely destroy their credibility as a poster by accusing them of something they didn't even do. If you don't like what they have to say, you can ignore them or reply with a reasonable response, but saying things like "Hi Nea" will only cause trouble.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


I have nobody on my ignore list. Shocked? Here's why: By the time someone goes far enough to get on my ignore list, they end up getting banned or just leave the site altogether. I have a very high tolerance for nonsense, but I honestly sometimes get very close when people constantly attack one or two people because they are different.

Grow up everyone, not everyone on here is exactly like you, be a little more accepting of each others differences. Seriously.
yep, nice post
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Ahhhh the late shift.The most interesting shift of them all besides hurricane season.And I'm just sitting back in the shadows enjoying it.
LOL.... I'm so beat I'm whipped [loooong day].... but the late show is the best show.... lol
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Just as a general observation, can we lay off the nitpicky spelling and grammer type comments? I figure if you want to be understood you'll make an effort. Only one or maybe two people in here with grammar so bad they're hard to understand.

Just make sure you spell the weather-related words right....

Shear....

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Put me on ignore fellas. I'll survive it somehow.
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The Psychology of Climate Change Denial
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Ahhhh the late shift.The most interesting shift of them all besides hurricane season.And I'm just sitting back in the shadows enjoying it.
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I just logged on and the 1st thing I see is some kid telling me to grow up. For the record, I think Nea has more than one account. I can't prove it. I do know he has a lot of fans here and they enjoy piling onto me when I post. That's just the way it is. So Tom, if you don't like what I have to say, you know what to do.
I doubt Xyrus is Nea, though. And isn't it slandel or liber or some such if you don't have proof but publically malign someone's reputation? Either way, 1) innocent until proven guilty, and 2) I can't imagine needing to be on this blog so much that you have to make 2 of yourself... I barely have time to be one of me...[lol]

BTW, did u guys get rain with that frontal passage? It rained for almost an hour, at times heavily, as it went through this morning. Felt kinda weird for Feb 1.


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Less Summer Arctic Sea Ice Cover Means Colder, Snowier Winters in Central Europe

2012) — Even if the current weather situation may seem to speak against it, the probability of cold winters with much snow in Central Europe rises when the Arctic is covered by less sea ice in summer. Scientists of the Research Unit Potsdam of the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research in the Helmholtz Association have decrypted a mechanism in which a shrinking summertime sea ice cover changes the air pressure zones in the Arctic atmosphere and impacts our European winter weather....................

Link
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
You feel better now?


Good. Have a nice evening.

Yes, that is really helping your image...
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


I have nobody on my ignore list. Shocked? Here's why: By the time someone goes far enough to get on my ignore list, they end up getting banned or just leave the site altogether. I have a very high tolerance for nonsense, but I honestly sometimes get very close when people constantly attack one or two people because they are different.

Grow up everyone, not everyone on here is exactly like you, be a little more accepting of each others differences. Seriously.


Word. +10000
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
You feel better now?


Good. Have a nice evening.


You're just proving Tom's point even more.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


(if u reffer 2 me)your not ignored. because you and some others, it takes alot more then simple arguement to put on ignore. because 96% of the time, you have good posts. others, LIKE TOMTAYLOR, dont.

And tom, you make yourself look reeeeal bad losing your temper like that. its not imature to use ignore. If it was, it wouldnt be there.


I have nobody on my ignore list. Shocked? Here's why: By the time someone goes far enough to get on my ignore list, they end up getting banned or just leave the site altogether. I have a very high tolerance for nonsense, but I honestly sometimes get very close when people constantly attack one or two people because they are different.

Grow up everyone, not everyone on here is exactly like you, be a little more accepting of each others differences. Seriously.
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Evening all.

I think we'd do better with solar / wind. Our problem isn't a lack of clean energy sources, but a lack of will to develop ways to exploit them.

I'm looking forward to see what the newest generation of young scientists will come up with. I seriously doubt we'll still see fossil fuels as THE energy source 50 years from now. Somebody'll find a way to make $$ off of an alternative.
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You feel better now?


Good. Have a nice evening.
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I just logged on and the 1st thing I see is some kid telling me to grow up. For the record, I think Nea has more than one account. I can't prove it. I do know he has a lot of fans here and they enjoy piling onto me when I post. That's just the way it is. So Tom, if you don't like what i have to say, you know what to do.
Yep, some kid. Pretty bad when a kid has to tell you to grow up, don't ya think?

That aside, have you ever considered the fact that there are other people on the blog capable of delivering cohesive, well though out, intelligent posts? Have you also considered that it's not Nea's fans piling on to you, it's just people who disagree with you. In other words, Nea isn't some WeatherUnderground blog leader that people follow. He takes the time to write up good posts, so people respect and support him...especially when he gets called out by immature posts like yours trying to undermine his credibility.


Also, I will ignore your posts when I feel necessary, but I will also jump on the opportunity to exercise my right to comment on your posts if I see fit.
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Thursday, February 2, 2012OP-ED

Praful Bidwai Column

Japan's unending nuclear nightmare


It's generally assumed that highly developed Japan would handle a catastrophic accident far more competently than callous, hierarchical, and class-polarised societies with a poor infrastructure and safety culture like India or Bangladesh.

Japan was also expected to do better than backward Ukraine, which suffered the world's previous nuclear core meltdown at Chernobyl in 1986 -- especially as regards large-scale evacuation given Japan's experience with earthquakes and tsunamis.

Alas, Japan has abjectly failed to provide relief to those affected by the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident. Needless to say, India or Bangladesh would have done infinitely worse.

A majority of the victims of the three Fukushima reactor meltdowns continue to be exposed to high levels of radiation from atmospheric fallout and contaminated food and water. The radiation "exclusion zone" only covers a 20-km radius. But radiation levels are high 60 or even 200 km away.

Radiation meters show high gamma radiation readings such as 20 microsieverts an hour. Within roughly 40 days, these would deliver a dose equalling the maximum annual limit set by the Japanese government. This limit is itself 20 times higher than the internationally prevalent annual norm of 1 millisievert (mSv)! People's radiation exposure hasn't been systematically estimated or monitored by the government or plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco).

Had the authorities followed the Chernobyl norm for triggering evacuation (5 mSv), they would have had to evacuate five times more people and impose restrictions on food grown in an area 30 times the size of Fukushima's evacuation zone. Japan's public health response was thus worse than poor Ukraine's despite its greater technological sophistication and financial capacity.

What explains this is the inability of government and industry to act in nuclear crises, mutual collusion between them, and suppression of critical safety-related information. An official committee's report released three weeks ago shows that bumbling nuclear industry executives and confused government officials mishandled the crisis from the beginning. The 507-page interim report found that tsunami risks were grossly underestimated.

Tepco workers weren't trained to handle emergencies like the station blackout caused by the tsunami, leading to the overheating of reactor cores and their meltdown. They had no manual to follow and didn't communicate properly even among themselves.

Cooling of the reactors was delayed because of the mishandling of an emergency cooling system. Workers assumed it was working, despite signs that it had failed. A better response might have reduced radiation leaks and averted hydrogen explosions at Reactors 1, 3 and 4, which sent out huge radiation plumes. The radiation load wasn't even measured.

Regulatory agencies failed to impose tough safety standards on Tepco, which was too slow to gather information on radiation and relay it.

The report documents Tepco's misjudgment of the reactors' operational situation, its poor handling of water injection, and its failure to prevent damage magnification. It also exposes the government's inadequate responses as regards initial radiation monitoring, emergency evacuation, and failure to provide truthful information to the public.

Japan's Nuclear Industrial and Safety Agency failed to correct these errors. The government didn't make the extent of radiation spread and doses public. Many people were wrongly moved from low-radiation areas to high-radiation ones! The government lied through its teeth. It knew within a day that there had been a meltdown, yet didn't disclose that for weeks.

Media reports have just revealed that the Japanese government suppressed a worst-case scenario for the crisis soon after it began and kept it under wraps until December. After the document was shown to a select group of senior officials in late March, the government decided to quietly bury it. "The content was so shocking that we decided to treat it as if it didn't exist," a senior official is quoted as saying.

The document forecast that in a worst-case scenario, the reactors would release massive quantities of radioactivity for about a year. The projection was based on the premise that a hydrogen explosion would tear through the first reactor's containment vessel, forcing station workers to evacuate because of lethal radiation levels.

In that event, 40 million residents within a radius of 170 km of the station would be forced to evacuate. Those living within a radius of between 170 and 250 km, including Tokyo, could choose to evacuate voluntarily.

Logically, this scenario may already have materialised. After all, hydrogen explosions ripped through not one, but three, Fukushima reactors. Many people expect yet more disclosures from an independent bipartisan inquiry commission just set up by Parliament, with the power to summon witnesses.

This culture of covering up and inadequate cleanup efforts have left the Japanese people exposed to unconscionable health risks. The mainstream media played a pernicious role in the cover-up, led by its dependence on Japan's power-supply industry, its biggest advertiser. Tepco's advertising budget alone is roughly half what a global corporation like Toyota spends annually.

The Japanese people, I discovered, feel betrayed by their traditionally paternalistic state, which is not taking responsibility for the terrible effects of its policy to promote nuclear power. Lakhs continue to suffer as their generations-old occupations, including agriculture and dairy farming, become unviable.

People are resorting to community radiation monitoring, self-protection, and organic food cooperatives, to cope with the crisis. But the crisis has had one positive effect. All but five of Japan's 54 nuclear reactors lie closed -- and the country is none the worse for it.

At a two-day global conference in Yokohama, which I attended with 11,500 others, speakers emphasised the imperative of phasing out nuclear power. It's far too dirty, too expensive, too centralised, too bound-up with secrecy and deception, and above all, too dangerous. They also underscored the rising relevance and economic viability of low-carbon renewable energy.

Fukushima's tragedy can only be redeemed if the world -- including South Asia -- abolishes nuclear power, and promotes new energy systems and smart grids based on safe, environmentally benign, renewables which are relevant to people's needs, not the nuclear industry's greed.

The writer is an eminent Indian columnist.

E-mail: bidwai@bol.net.in
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Quoting SPLbeater:


(if u reffer 2 me)your not ignored. because you and some others, it takes alot more then simple arguement to put on ignore. because 96% of the time, you have good posts. others, LIKE TOMTAYLOR, dont.

And tom, you make yourself look reeeeal bad losing your temper like that. its not imature to use ignore. If it was, it wouldnt be there.
I didn't lose my temper. There is a difference between expressing your feelings and losing your temper, in case you were unaware.

Maybe I look really bad to you, but judging by the little "+10" next to my comment, I think it's safe to say most of the people liked the comment.

Not sure why you think I think ignoring someone is immature. Personally, I like seeing what everyone has to say (even trolls are amusing) and I can usually do a good job of mentally ignore people so I have no use for an ignore list.


P.S. When are you going to start your spelling and grammar lessons?
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I just logged on and the 1st thing I see is some kid telling me to grow up. For the record, I think Nea has more than one account. I can't prove it. I do know he has a lot of fans here and they enjoy piling onto me when I post. That's just the way it is. So Tom, if you don't like what I have to say, you know what to do.
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This morning right after dawn as the sun rose, to my dismay, there were mammatus clouds hanging along the edge of a large shelf cloud formation, the edge of which was right overhead. To the southwest clouds stacks were shooting up as if it were a spring afternoon. For several hours the sky was rolling with grey clouds and there appeared to be quite a lot of energy in the sky. If this had been March there probably would have been a lot of trouble today. This is not a good sign. It does not bode well for this year's tornado season, at all.

Everyone needs to have a plan. Getting into a bathtub is not going to cut it, anymore. Our atmosphere is currently too volatile to take this lightly any longer and wait until the last second to think about it. Even in places where you normally don't ever have to worry about tornadoes. Please have arrangements for a shelter located somewhere nearby that is ready to go to, even if it is just a small 'root cellar' that you dug out yourself. Yes that is correct something that you dug out yourself with a sturdy roof covering on it that is strong and secure (concrete). There are quite a large number of cellars like this in the midwest and this is what most people have out here. Instructions on how to make a cellar are easy to find. Being underground is the safest place to be. One time I survived a tornado that was right overhead, because I was hiding a few feet below ground in an open drainage ditch by the side of the road. Above me the tall grass lay flat on the ground from the wind, but inside the shallow hole in the ground it was very calm with almost no wind. A large tree located about forty feet away from me came crashing down as the wind growled. Later I saw that all of its' roots were sticking up out of the ground like the wind almost ripped it out completely by the root.

Everybody is going to have to take it unto themselves to protect their families from violent storms. Have a plan in place for exactly what you and your family will do.

Have a good night all. :)
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Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Nuclear energy. Solved.
Yeah baby..Fusion reactors by the year 2040. The oceans would provide millions of years worth of energy without the filth...Somethin like this, just a little bigger...he he..
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