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TD 14 likely to become Maria; new Gulf of Mexico system brewing
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:32 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011 +24
Tropical Depression Fourteen formed yesterday from a strong tropical wave that moved off the coast of Africa early this week, and is headed west-northwest towards an encounter with the Northern Lesser Antilles Islands. Satellite loops show a large a steadily organizing system with plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity, good upper-level outflow to the north and west, and some respectable low-level spiral bands beginning to form. TD 14 is probably a tropical storm now, and is very likely to be named Tropical Storm Maria later today. Water vapor satellite images show that 95L is embedded in a very moist environment. Ocean temperatures are near 28.5°C, which is 2°C above the 26.5°C threshold usually needed to sustain a tropical storm. With wind shear predicted to remain low to moderate the next five days, the atmosphere expected to stay moist, and ocean temperatures predicted to gradually warm, TD 14 should generally show a strengthening trend. Curiously, most of the intensity forecast models show little strengthening of TD 14, so NHC is keeping their intensity forecast lower than is typical for a storm in these conditions at this time of year.

The track forecasts for TD 14 from the various models agree that the storm will affect the Northern Lesser Antilles Islands, though there are some differences in forward speed, resulting in some uncertainty whether the storm will arrive at the islands as early as Friday night, or as late as Saturday afternoon. After it passes the Lesser Antilles, TD 14 has the usual amount of high uncertainty in its 5 - 7 day track forecast. The models are split on how strong the steering influence a trough of low pressure along the U.S. East Coast will have. The ECMWF and UKMET models prefer a more southerly track for TD 14 through the Bahamas towards the U.S. East Coast, while the GFS, NOGAPS, and HWRF models predict a more northwesterly track, with a potential threat to Bermuda. It's too early to guess which track the models will eventually converge on. Climatology favors a track that would miss land, with Dr. Bob Hart's track history pages suggesting TD 14 has a 22% chance of hitting Canada, 19% chance of hitting Bermuda, and an 11% chance of hitting North Carolina.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of TD 14.

Gulf of Mexico disturbance 96L
A cold front swept into the Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Texas behind Tropical Storm Lee on Monday, and has stalled out along a line from Tampa, Florida to Mexico's Bay of Campeche in the southern Gulf of Mexico. Heavy thunderstorms have begun to build along the tail end of this front in the Bay of Campeche, and this disturbance has been designated Invest 96L by NHC. Latest visible satellite loops do not show that 96L has a closed surface circulation yet, but buoy and surface observations along the coast of Mexico suggest that there may be a large-scale counter-clockwise circulation present over the Bay of Campeche. Sustained winds at Buoy 42055, about 100 miles to the northwest of the suspected center of 96L, were northeast at 27 mph at 6:50 am CDT this morning. Water vapor satellite loops show that here is a large area of very dry air from Texas to the north of 96L, and this dry air may interfere with 96L's development. A hurricane hunter mission is scheduled for this afternoon into 96L.

Most of the computer models develop 96L into a tropical depression in the next 1 - 2 days, and these same models did very well at anticipating the formation of Tropical Storm Lee in the Gulf of Mexico last week. Given the moderate wind shear, warm waters, and presence of an old cold front to serve as a nucleus for development, I give 96L an 80% chance of becoming a tropical depression over the next tow days, a bit higher than the 60% probability NHC is going with. Steering currents are weak in the Bay of Campeche, making for a lot of uncertainty in where 96L might go. The only model predicting a U.S. landfall is the ECMWF, which predicts 96L might hit between Louisiana and the Florida Panhandle on Monday. A more popular solution is for the storm to meander in the Bay of Campeche for many days, and eventually make landfall on the coast of Mexico between Veracruz and Tampico. None of the models is hinting at a track towards Texas, and the intense dome of high pressure associated with their record drought and heat wave will tend to discourage any tropical cyclones from making a Texas landfall over the coming seven days.

Hurricane Katia
Hurricane Katia continues to the northwest as a Category 1 hurricane with 90 mph winds. Latest satellite loops show that dry air has eaten into the southwest side of the storm. The computer models continue to agree that a low pressure system over the Eastern U.S. associated with the remnants of Tropical Storm Lee will turn Katia to the north. As the storm moves northwards past North Carolina, Katia will get caught up in west-to-east moving winds associated with the jet stream, and taken northeastwards out to sea. No land areas are in Katia's cone of uncertainty, and Katia's outer rainbands should remain just offshore from North Carolina, New England, and the Canadian Maritime provinces at the point of closest approach. Bermuda may see a few rain showers from Katia, but the storm will not cause hazardous weather there. The main impact of Katia will be a multi-day period of high surf leading to beach erosion and dangerous rip currents. The East Coast is lucky that Tropical Storm Lee came along, since Lee helped to create the steering pattern that will keep Katia from hitting the U.S.


Figure 2. GOES-13 image of Hurricane Katia and the remains of Tropical Storm Lee, taken at 11:45 am EDT Tuesday September 6, 2011. At the time, Katia was a Category 3 hurricane with 120 mph winds. Image credit: NOAA Visualization Laboratory.

Heavy rains from Lee create significant flooding, tornadoes
Tropical Storm Lee is no more, but its remnants are marching slowly northeastwards along a stalled cold front, bringing torrential rains. Fortunately, the dry soils that were present before the event started have helped keep river flooding in the minor to moderate range. No river is currently at major flood stage as a result of rains from Tropical Storm Lee. Soils are at near-average moisture levels in Central Pennsylvania, where Lee's remnants are expected to drop 3 - 5 inches of rain over the next two days. These rains should cause moderate but not major flooding in Pennsylvania. Also of concern is the potential for tornadoes today. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center (SPC) has logged 40 tornado reports over the past four days from Lee, including two in North Carolina yesterday. Most of these tornadoes have been weak EF-0 and EF-1 twisters. A tornado that hit Cana, Virginia at Sunday night ripped the roof off of a gas station and injured two people. More tornadoes are likely today over coastal Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and Southern New Jersey, where SPC is predicting a "Slight Risk" of severe weather.

Lee's heaviest rain amounts, by state, as of 4 am CDT today:

Holden, LA: 15.43"
Waveland, MS: 14.11"
Fyffe, AL: 12.94"
Cleveland, TN: 12.22"
Rome, GA: 11.01"
Milton, FL: 10.03"
Blowing Rock, NC: 7.18"
Fancy Gap, VA: 6.77"
Cranks Creek Reservoir, KY: 5.49"
Andover, NJ: 5.06"
Montgomery, NY: 4.23"
Pittsfield, MA: 3.90"
Bluefield, WV: 3.76"
Bridge City, TX: 3.12"
Keene, NH: 3.64"
Hagerstown, MD: 3.60"
Norwalk, CT: 3.20"
Wilmington, DE: 2.63"
Woodford, VT: 2.63"
Washington, DC: 2.42"

Jeff Masters
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351. Levi32 5:39 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting MississippiBoy2:
your thoughts on gom system?


I just wrote a blog all about it if you want to read it.
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352. 69Viking 5:40 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
It's amazing to see cumulus cloud streets flowing out of the north in the Gulf of Mexico, a product of cold air, during the first week of September.


I couldn't believe we had temps in the 50's in the FL Panhandle this morning! Even now when you go outside there is a cool northerly breeze with hardly any humidity. Hard to believe the GOM is about half a mile to my South considering this is early Sept. and that Gulf water is still very warm! Couple more cold fonts like those though will serve well to start cooling it down!
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353. Levi32 5:40 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


lol, that air aint cold!!


You're right, I would still be melting, but look at the image I edited into my last post. 12-15C below normal IS cold. Try to think relatively Rita....from 100 degrees to 60? Come on now. This is a pretty epic switch.
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354. Skyepony (Mod) 5:40 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Fresh Oceansat.. Looks better closed than this morning's ASCAT. Windsat was a miss.
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356. zoomiami 5:41 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


no food, no sharks...they scavange dead more than go for live stuff...and if he had been surf fishing in a swim/surf area by us...he would be the one told to leave and if he didn't, his license, his tackle, his rods, etc would have been taken from him and he would have a HEFTY fine...


So aggravating -- its like the kid who got bit by the shark while swimming in the shadow of the fishing pier his dad was on. Why not just stick him on the hook?

We grew up around the beaches, just common sense that you don't swim where your feeding them.
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357. 69Viking 5:42 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:
I think the actual center is WNW of the major spin we're seeing, the spin we're seeing maybe a vorticy spinning around the main LLC. The main circulation looks stationary to me, look to the WNW of the fast spinner.



I think your on to something there. Could be a very broad circulation with mulitiple vorcities at the moment. HH's should be able to sort it all out and let us know soon!
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358. RitaEvac 5:44 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting 69Viking:


I think your on to something there. Could be a very broad circulation with mulitiple vorcities at the moment. HH's should be able to sort it all out and let us know soon!


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360. MississippiBoy2 5:45 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


I just wrote a blog all about it if you want to read it.
thanks
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361. superweatherman 5:48 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Does anyone have satellite view of the Texas fire.. I want a Radar loop
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362. ncstorm 5:48 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
12Z CMC


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363. Dakster 5:49 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting 69Viking:


I couldn't believe we had temps in the 50's in the FL Panhandle this morning! Even now when you go outside there is a cool northerly breeze with hardly any humidity. Hard to believe the GOM is about half a mile to my South considering this is early Sept. and that Gulf water is still very warm! Couple more cold fonts like those though will serve well to start cooling it down!


You wouldn't know that living in South or Central Florida. It is still nice and hot and steamy down here.
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364. Skyepony (Mod) 5:49 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Kermit is just coming back from a training mission in the GOM. They were collecting HDOB. 26kts surface winds in that thunderstorm west of Tampa.
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365. robert88 5:49 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Where is that strong Bermuda High that the ECMWF and GFS were advertising a week ago? This pattern is very similar to 2010...but at least we had some decent looking major canes to track last season. I am getting tired of all these weak pathetic cyclones pulsing on and off throughout the Atlantic.
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366. RitaEvac 5:51 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting Dakster:


You wouldn't know that living in South or Central Florida. It is still nice and hot and steamy down here.


That's because Florida panhandle isn't really part of FL...
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367. SPLbeater 5:52 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
I nailed the 2PM update on 96L. good for me lol. i suspect a TD at 5 AM tomorrow. NOW, lets see if i can get this one down hehe...
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368. MississippiWx 5:53 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
The spin that we are all seeing on visible in the BOC could be just a vort max spinning around a broader circulation. Some on here have mentioned that possibility already and I agree. It might end up becoming dominant, but its movement seems to imply that it's spinning around a larger circulation. Thankfully, we will have recon to sort everything out soon.
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369. xtremeweathertracker 5:56 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
HPC's Surface Analysis for day 7!!!

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370. Levi32 5:56 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
GFS EnKF Experimental ensembles favor 96L coming north. They also favor Maria recurving east of the U.S., which makes sense right now.

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371. islander101010 5:56 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


That's because Florida panhandle isn't really part of FL...
should be a independent state
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372. Skyepony (Mod) 5:56 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Gonzo is out on an untask mission chuckin sondes for the models. Just about completed a six pointed star. Bermuda is one of the points on the NE side.
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373. 69Viking 5:57 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


That's because Florida panhandle isn't really part of FL...


Not true, it's just the part of FL that actually gets 4 seasons and what makes living in this part of FL so great! Not crowded and the weather from October through April is great for anything you want to do outdoors!
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374. pensacolastorm 5:57 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


That's because Florida panhandle isn't really part of FL...


That's right, we are LA...lower alabama or if you prefer... the redneck riviera.
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376. JGreco 5:57 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


That's because Florida panhandle isn't really part of FL...


That is the opinion of many in the rest of Florida. They tend to call us here "LA" Lower Alabama. Our climate is very different up here since in the Winter we typically stay in the 50s and can have several days below freezing up here. That does not happen in he rest of the state. Nor does it typically get above the low 60s in the heart of winter unlike down South.
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377. MississippiWx 5:58 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
GFS EnKF Experimental ensembles favor 96L coming north. They also favor Maria recurving east of the U.S., which makes sense right now.



It would seem like a very similar setup to when Lee was in the Gulf. The presence of Nate (?) in the Gulf could help build a ridge to his east and southeast and leave Maria with nowhere to go but north.
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378. SPLbeater 5:58 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
i would have the center as seen on visible satellite for 96L at 20.7 N, 93.3 W. the movement and elongated presentation of that little spin to the ESE of the coordinates above is probably just a vort max like MississippiWx said. Watch the overall movement of the system: Link
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379. Drakoen 5:59 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:
The spin that we are all seeing on visible in the BOC could be just a vort max spinning around a broader circulation. Some on here have mentioned that possibility already and I agree. It might end up becoming dominant, but its movement seems to imply that it's spinning around a larger circulation. Thankfully, we will have recon to sort everything out soon.


Correct.
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381. SamWells 5:59 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting cctxshirl:
Wonders if Texas will ever see rain again?


Good question, since the short-term doesn't look good even with 96L out there ... any rain would probably be confined to the coast ... it would take something REALLY wild for something like Hermine did last year. But the September monsoon season doesn't seem to be in the picture this year.

The fall will bust down the Continental High over Texas some, if the polar jet can punch through. These storms always come from the Rockies and you need the subtropical jet pumping moisture ahead of it from the SW, with some good Gulf inflows on the SE breeze. I don't see that 3-way pattern setting up yet. Sorry.
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382. 69Viking 6:00 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting Dakster:


You wouldn't know that living in South or Central Florida. It is still nice and hot and steamy down here.


LOL, you clearly see that the cold front stalled out North of Tampa! I would rather it would have pushed on through South FL and not decide to hang out in the Gulf and spin up another storm, probably going to be a wet weekend again somewhere along the Gulf Coast!
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383. MississippiWx 6:00 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
It's easier to see the broader circulation on RGB loops. I would recommend you use it instead of visible to see the bigger picture.

Link
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384. SPLbeater 6:01 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
is the NHC going to issue a special advisory for 96L if it i found a TD before 5 PM?
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386. Skyepony (Mod) 6:02 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
AF300 just made it to 96L, dropped down to ~1000'.
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387. Tazmanian 6:02 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Link



recon is up if any one cares
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388. Levi32 6:02 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:


It would seem like a very similar setup to when Lee was in the Gulf. The presence of Nate (?) in the Gulf could help build a ridge to his east and southeast and leave Maria with nowhere to go but north.


Well sort of but I don't expect 96L to get as strong or as large as Lee, so the effect won't be nearly as pronounced. There is a much bigger and more obvious reason for Maria's recurve. Lee's upper trough has to be rescued, and the only way for that to happen is for it to phase with a large trough coming out of Canada, and that is going to have to happen within the next 6-10 days. Thus, we will have to have a large trough over the eastern U.S. in the near future that will likely recurve Maria away from the coast.
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389. MississippiWx 6:02 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
For what it's worth, the 12z Euro initialized a low farther to the northwest of the vort max spinning around in the extreme Southeastern BOC and I believe that's correct.
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390. SamWells 6:02 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Interesting story about shark fishing this morning, must be some more WU love or what? Ahem.

My peeps in the Bahamas don't like the looks of TD 14 by the way, very scary after Irene hammered them so hard.
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391. jascott1967 6:03 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
When can a storm be called a fish storm? From Levi's blog - "Hurricane Katia continues to weaken and will pass on the most harmless path possible, right between Cape Hatteras and Bermuda, and then well south of the Canadian Maritimes on its way northeastward."

Could Katia be considered a fish "storm"?
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392. Dakster 6:03 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


That's because Florida panhandle isn't really part of FL...


We call it Lower Alabama down here, but some may get offended by that term.
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393. Dakster 6:04 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting 69Viking:


LOL, you clearly see that the cold front stalled out North of Tampa! I would rather it would have pushed on through South FL and not decide to hang out in the Gulf and spin up another storm, probably going to be a wet weekend again somewhere along the Gulf Coast!


ME TOO! I am tired of the heat and humidity this summer. Bring on the cold fronts!
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394. xtremeweathertracker 6:05 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
FWIW

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395. mobhurricane2011 6:06 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:
For what it's worth, the 12z Euro initialized a low farther to the northwest of the vort max spinning around in the extreme Southeastern BOC and I believe that's correct.
where does the 12z euro have 96l going and how strong is it predicting?
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396. LAlurker 6:07 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting pensacolastorm:


That's right, we are LA...lower alabama or if you prefer... the redneck riviera.

That actually almost happened many years ago.
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397. stormpetrol 6:08 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
I thought Maria was moving WNW , but I see the LLC near the SE corner of the heaviest convection moving west!
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398. MississippiWx 6:09 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


Well sort of but I don't expect 96L to get as strong or as large as Lee, so the effect won't be nearly as pronounced. There is a much bigger and more obvious reason for Maria's recurve. Lee's upper trough has to be rescued, and the only way for that to happen is for it to phase with a large trough coming out of Canada, and that is going to have to happen within the next 6-10 days. Thus, we will have to have a large trough over the eastern U.S. in the near future that will likely recurve Maria away from the coast.


The slow movement of 96L could help the environment recover before it reaches the coast as return flow sets up. However, the trough to the north of the system could impart shear on possible Nate and weaken it before landfall. I think the Euro tries to show something like that on the 00z run.
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399. yonzabam 6:09 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting jascott1967:
When can a storm be called a fish storm? From Levi's blog - "Hurricane Katia continues to weaken and will pass on the most harmless path possible, right between Cape Hatteras and Bermuda, and then well south of the Canadian Maritimes on its way northeastward."

Could Katia be considered a fish "storm"?


No, someone in the Virgin Islands lost a boat due to the swell as it passed by.
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400. CaribBoy 6:09 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
12Z GFDL moves MARIA over the N Leewards as a Cat 1 hurricane
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401. drwoogie 6:09 PM GMT en Septiembre 07, 2011    
Quoting SamWells:
Interesting story about shark fishing this morning, must be some more WU love or what? Ahem.

My peeps in the Bahamas don't like the looks of TD 14 by the way, very scary after Irene hammered them so hard.


TD14 is now Maria FYI :)
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