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Category 3 Hurricane Irene tracks northwest through the Bahamas
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 8:55 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011 +35
Hurricane Irene remains a powerful category 3 this afternoon, with maximum sustained winds of 120 mph. Irene is moving northwest through the Bahamas at 12 mph, and its center has cleared the northern edge of Crooked Island. The next islands in the path of Irene are Rum Cay (population 80) and Cat Island (population 1700), which it will encounter later tonight. Irene will track northeast of Long Island (in the Bahamas) over the next 24 hours. George Town has been reporting wind gusts up to around 40 mph this afternoon, and wind speed will likely increase during the next 12 hours as Irene's center passes about 30-40 miles to their northeast. Long Island in the Bahamas will likely see category 1 winds, which begin at 74 mph. Shelters on New Providence and Grand Bahama are open and ready for business, and Grand Bahama International Airport will remain closed until Irene passes.

Irene continues to look well-organized on satellite, especially compared to yesterday afternoon. Since then, intense upward motion, and therefore strong thunderstorm activity, has encompassed the center on all sides, which has led to a well-defined eye. Throughout the morning, Irene's eye wall has shrunk, and a new eye wall could be developing, although it remains unclear at this point. If this is the case, it could lead to some temporary weakening of the hurricane, which would be good for the Bahamas. This afternoon, Irene's hurricane-force winds extend 50 miles from the center, and tropical storm-force winds extend up to 205 miles from the center. Earlier this morning, an Air Force Hurricane Hunter mission investigated Irene and a NOAA Gulfstream (Gonzo) is currently collecting data around the hurricane.


Figure 1. Microwave satellite imagery of Irene captured at 8am this morning. Image source: Naval Research Laboratory.

Track forecast for Irene
NOAA has continued dropsonde missions today, scouring the atmosphere for data as far north as the waters off of South Carolina. Every bit of upper-air data that the models can ingest will lead to better forecasts and decreased uncertainty. These missions are an investment that pay off. Irene will track through the central Bahamas today, the northwestern Bahamas on Thursday, and approach the Outer Banks of North Carolina on Friday. Beyond this there is a bit of divergence in the models. Both the GFDL and the HWRF are forecasting a landfall on Long Island, New York, and the ECMWF continues to suggest a landfall even further west than that. NOGAPS is still the eastern outlier, which misses the U.S. all together and makes landfall in Canada. Today the official track forecast from the National Hurricane Center agrees with the GFS forecast through Saturday morning, and then diverges ever so slightly to the west of that through Monday. It has become clear over the past 3 days that everyone on the East Coast from North Carolina to Maine should be prepared to feel impacts from Hurricane Irene.


Figure 2. Official track forecast provided by the National Hurricane Center.

Intensity forecast for Irene
Irene continues to be embedded in a large envelope of moisture, and wind shear is expected to remain low to moderate, 5 - 20 knots, for the next three days. With water temperatures very warm, 28 - 30°C, these conditions should allow for intensification to a category 4 hurricane (winds of 131 to 155 mph). The only reliable model that's not forecasting this intensification is the GFS, and this is likely due to its relatively course spatial resolution. The National Hurricane Center expects Irene to intensify to a category 4 tomorrow, with a decrease in intensity back to a category 3 on Friday.

Links
For those of you wanting to know your odds of receiving hurricane force or tropical storm force winds, check out the NHC wind probability product.

Wunderground has detailed storm surge maps for the U.S. coast.

Our Wundermap is also a great resource for tracking hurricanes, with the ability to turn on multiple layers of data, including satellite, official track forecast, and current weather observations from not only the U.S. but the Caribbean and Bahamas, as well. Here's a link to get you started.

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1451. atmosweather 1:05 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting Patrap:





I always like the look of well developed hurricanes going through eyewall replacement cycles...they always look spectacular and menacing at the same time.
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1452. Hurricanes101 1:05 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting MZT:
This is set by your "quality of posts to read filter"

Look at the top of the blog post, where it says "Reader Comments". You can set it there.


none of the models had 90L moving SW like it has today, they all had it going immediately to the WNW and NW

between the 18Z and 00Z runs, 90L went 1.1 degrees south
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1453. RedrumATL 1:05 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
other thing i like too no what kind of damg if new york was hit with a cat 2 or stornger could we see in time square


Good ?. Time square is "on top of the hill" with many skyscrapers in front of it. Storm will obviously approach from below (south). But buildings like that create a lot of "channels" too.
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1454. Verdog 1:06 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Sorry for asking if its recent, but when id the next steering map? Anyone have a reliable link?
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1455. earthlydragonfly 1:06 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
ok dont be a hater..  thè world has  enough of that! take the high road
Quoting Krycek1984:


I wouldn't mind seeing a lot of super rich people's top-floor penthouses blown out. That would be fulfilling.

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1456. zparkie 1:06 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
The eye just made a giant leap to the west, big wobble, but still in the general area, 4 days the tail has been crossing puerto rico, wow
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1458. Tazmanian 1:06 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting RedrumATL:


Good ?. Time square is "on top of the hill" with many skyscrapers in front of it. Storm will obviously approach from below (south). But buildings like that create a lot of "channels" too.



ok
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1459. whepton3 1:07 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting Verdog:
Sorry for asking if its recent, but when id the next steering map? Anyone have a reliable link?

Steering:

Link

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1460. PensacolaDoug 1:07 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting chsstormgirl:


Greenland.



Isn't that a suburb of NOLA?
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1461. Patrap 1:07 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting mojofearless:


Thanks for the links, Pat.
BTW -My 16-year old decided to leave the NYC area early - picked up a week early and just drove out of there today. He said he tried to tell everyone around him how to prepare and they all just laughed him off, so F*** it. He feels bad, but if they won't listen to someone from Nola, there's nothing he can do but avoid the misery by leaving.


He's a learned man fo sho then.

Best to not be where a Major is headed,, Misery loves company as we know.
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1462. cindyker 1:07 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting whepton3:


I'll feel better too here in Boca... I'm always a little concerned when I see the storm is SE of here... and the movement is NW.

Anxiously awaiting the turn.


I'm anxious too.
I'm in Central Fl, but my son is in Melbourne at college. Its scary looking at that storm on the radar. It seems to be heading straight for us.

Maybe we need to go to the coast and blow...
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1463. atmoaggie 1:07 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting wolftribe2009:
The situation just cannot get any worse it would seem for the NE

It has now been reported that the storm will be making landfall in eastern long island at hightide but not only that but the new moon phase will result in the waters being 1-2 foot above normal high tides.
Umm, while correct about the new moon and tides, the forward speed of Irene that far out is not a forecast to be taken to heart...

And plus or minus 6 hours would make a big difference.
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1464. Grothar 1:07 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
I don't know why people in Florida were even concerned with Irene.

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1465. thelmores 1:07 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Where the Hades is Gonzo going? LOL

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1466. newportrinative 1:07 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting rkay1:
Its amazing how much faith we have in technology.  Irene could eat the entire state of FL and I'm not even the least bit concerned. 


I feel the same way here in Ft Laud.
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1470. TropicalGenesis 1:08 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting chsstormgirl:


Forecasted to turn north... what would make that change?


Look at the big picture - there is a trough of low pressure over the upper great lakes that will begin to influence Irene tomorrow in earnest. This will turn Irene further to the North - the big question is for how long - a Cat 4 storm will tend to bust through a weakening trough as it approaches the east coast tomorrow night.
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1471. atmosweather 1:08 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting mojofearless:


Thanks for the links, Pat.
BTW -My 16-year old decided to leave the NYC area early - picked up a week early and just drove out of there today. He said he tried to tell everyone around him how to prepare and they all just laughed him off, so F*** it. He feels bad, but if they won't listen to someone from Nola, there's nothing he can do but avoid the misery by leaving.


At least he's doing the smart thing. I've learned you can't make other people make good decisions and you can't give them common sense. Some have to learn the hard way.
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1472. WeatherfanPR 1:08 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting weatherjr:
According to Wikipedia (there are much better information sources, of course) the lowest pressure from hurricane Georges (1998) while crossing PR was 979.7 mb, and 81 knots as the higher sustained winds. That pressure is satisfactory for those winds (IMO). Hence, that hurricane was strong cat 1 (could be easily cat 2, as officially pointed by NHC). You can imagine a top cat 3 or category 4 hurricane!!. San Felipe II (Sept. 13, 1928) was the worst hurricane (Category 5)in the last century here in PR. San Ciriaco (1899) was cat. 4). I mean so much time lapsed since the last strong (more than cat 3) hurricane.


thankfully
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1473. atmoaggie 1:08 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting StormJunkie:


Interestingly, the CMC seemed to be one of the first ones to shift east and stay that way.

00z BAM entire suite shifted W just a hair early on. They did the same thing last night though...




I also thought it interesting (and rare) and the 2 Navy models were the first to point to OBX...all the others ended up following, some more than a day later.
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1474. 900MB 1:09 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

Source?


They just mentioned that on TWC. If it comes around 8pm Sunday (who flippin knows exact time at this point), new moon tide adds 1-2 feet.
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1475. lowerbamagirl 1:09 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting MZT:
This is set by your "quality of posts to read filter"

Look at the top of the blog post, where it says "Reader Comments" in a blue bar. You can set it there.


Thank you for answering. Actually, it is kind of nice. Don't have to ignore and still don't get the trolls! Maybe I will stay logged out! When I ignore, I lose my place and have to go back to find it.
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1476. wdtcnewsonlinewx 1:09 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting charlottefl:
NEW STEERING:






Significance?
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1478. thedawnawakening3 1:09 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Irene's pressure is not expected to drop during an EWRC, if anything it should rise some as the strong core of Irene collapses releasing latent heat. The inner core was the engine in the latent heat release, now that is gone, there is no more release therefore the pressure will stop falling and instead begin to rise until the outer core becomes dominant and comes the main latent heat release engine. Once this engine restablishes itself the pressure will begin to drop once again, perhaps rapid depending upon how big it is.
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1479. dan77539 1:09 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting Grothar:
I don't know why people in Florida were even concerned with Irene.



Sarcasm is really hard to pick up on the internet.
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1480. Grothar 1:09 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Umm, while correct about the new moon and tides, the forward speed of Irene that far out is not a forecast to be taken to heart...

And plus or minus 6 hours would make a big difference.


Bryan Norcross just mentioned it on TWC, are you going to argue with him? I think he was just mentioning the GFS scenario. (Heya, atmo)
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1481. Patrap 1:09 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
00z Irene Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Irene Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)





Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)





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1482. Tazmanian 1:09 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
i here TWC said that the trough that would be giveing the E coast severe weather will be stalling
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1484. wxdrone 1:09 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
I have a continuously refreshing satellite loop going and she's looking stronger with every update...still can't make out any change in direction from NW.
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1485. AllStar17 1:09 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting Grandpato4:
Tomorrow is my decision day. I'm still not sure what I will do. Hopefully the 11 PM track will show a big shift to the east. As far as I have heard there are no talks of even tourist evacuations in my area.


I wish you the very best and hope you stay safe!!
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1486. atmosweather 1:10 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting cindyker:


I'm anxious too.
I'm in Central Fl, but my son is in Melbourne at college. Its scary looking at that storm on the radar. It seems to be heading straight for us.

Maybe we need to go to the coast and blow...


No need to worry with this particular storm...all available models and the current large scale steering pattern agrees that she cannot make it much further W. She is perfectly on track.
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1487. atmoaggie 1:10 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting Grandpato4:


Is this because of uncertainty in the track, or just because such a large population is at risk and it is more imperative than ever to get the track right?
I think the answer is "yes".

(Both).
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1488. kmanhurricaneman 1:10 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Irene reminds me off hurricane Andrew 1992 they predicted a similar track and then as andrew got close to florida it made a beling west into miami, scary.
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1489. redwagon 1:10 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting stormpetrol:
In the maintime, I think 90L is close to TD status, where will it go?


It almost seems as the models anticipate a loop. Don't think I've seen one this early out of the CV gate.

TCFP has had something spinning up in the BOC for a week now but all the moisture is being sandblasted away from the GOM and EPAC.
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1490. newportrinative 1:10 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting dan77539:


Sarcasm is really hard to pick up on the internet.

Nah, it's easy if you aren't all tensed up.
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1491. whepton3 1:10 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting cindyker:


I'm anxious too.
I'm in Central Fl, but my son is in Melbourne at college. Its scary looking at that storm on the radar. It seems to be heading straight for us.

Maybe we need to go to the coast and blow...


Looks like it'll make its forecast points... looks like a miss for S. FL... or a home run... since we won't get it.
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1492. charlottefl 1:10 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting wdtcnewsonlinewx:


Significance?


Was just posting it.. No real big changes..
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1493. CybrTeddy 1:10 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Regardless of intensity once or if it hits New York City the main problem will be STORM SURGE, that's what we need to look for. Irene is massive, size of Alex last year and maybe even Ike.. that means its generating massive swells. That going to NYC would be very serious. This is going to be both a wind and a storm surge event, as the high buildings in New York City will act to accelerate to winds along the streets. 100mph could be more like 115 or more. But the surge is what is important.
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1494. SWFLIrish 1:11 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
My stomach is hurting just looking at that monster so close to FL. TURN NORTH NOW, please. No to to be wishing evil on others, though. Prayers going out for those on the islands...
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1495. Abacosurf 1:11 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting Grothar:
I don't know why people in Florida were even concerned with Irene.

LOL
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1496. aprinz1979 1:11 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
feeder bands almost at my doorstep in Miami Dade! no turn yet!!!!!!!!!!
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1497. CaneGurl 1:11 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Sitting here in Central Florida watching Irene creep closer makes me extremely nervous. Everyone keeps saying that she'll turn more North around 78W. What is it that will determine the shift and what happens if she doesn't? I'm new so these are honest newbie questions. Thanks to all answers and explanations.
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1498. GetReal 1:11 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
And on another note there is 90L wanting to play:






It appears that 90l may already be a TD, and has intentions on coming west, despite some of the early model guidance. IMO 90L will not turn north according to the steering layer in place.
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1499. Vero1 1:11 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
other thing i like too no what kind of damg if new york was hit with a cat 2 or stornger could we see in time square


History Channel did that can be seen here:

http://www.history.com/shows/mega-disasters
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1501. AWeatherLover 1:11 AM GMT en Agosto 25, 2011    
My coworker picked the worst possible time to be going on vacation to Martha's Vineyard... The models seem to have pinned a bull's eye right over her vacation home!
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