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Category 3 Hurricane Irene tracks northwest through the Bahamas
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 8:55 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011 +35
Hurricane Irene remains a powerful category 3 this afternoon, with maximum sustained winds of 120 mph. Irene is moving northwest through the Bahamas at 12 mph, and its center has cleared the northern edge of Crooked Island. The next islands in the path of Irene are Rum Cay (population 80) and Cat Island (population 1700), which it will encounter later tonight. Irene will track northeast of Long Island (in the Bahamas) over the next 24 hours. George Town has been reporting wind gusts up to around 40 mph this afternoon, and wind speed will likely increase during the next 12 hours as Irene's center passes about 30-40 miles to their northeast. Long Island in the Bahamas will likely see category 1 winds, which begin at 74 mph. Shelters on New Providence and Grand Bahama are open and ready for business, and Grand Bahama International Airport will remain closed until Irene passes.

Irene continues to look well-organized on satellite, especially compared to yesterday afternoon. Since then, intense upward motion, and therefore strong thunderstorm activity, has encompassed the center on all sides, which has led to a well-defined eye. Throughout the morning, Irene's eye wall has shrunk, and a new eye wall could be developing, although it remains unclear at this point. If this is the case, it could lead to some temporary weakening of the hurricane, which would be good for the Bahamas. This afternoon, Irene's hurricane-force winds extend 50 miles from the center, and tropical storm-force winds extend up to 205 miles from the center. Earlier this morning, an Air Force Hurricane Hunter mission investigated Irene and a NOAA Gulfstream (Gonzo) is currently collecting data around the hurricane.


Figure 1. Microwave satellite imagery of Irene captured at 8am this morning. Image source: Naval Research Laboratory.

Track forecast for Irene
NOAA has continued dropsonde missions today, scouring the atmosphere for data as far north as the waters off of South Carolina. Every bit of upper-air data that the models can ingest will lead to better forecasts and decreased uncertainty. These missions are an investment that pay off. Irene will track through the central Bahamas today, the northwestern Bahamas on Thursday, and approach the Outer Banks of North Carolina on Friday. Beyond this there is a bit of divergence in the models. Both the GFDL and the HWRF are forecasting a landfall on Long Island, New York, and the ECMWF continues to suggest a landfall even further west than that. NOGAPS is still the eastern outlier, which misses the U.S. all together and makes landfall in Canada. Today the official track forecast from the National Hurricane Center agrees with the GFS forecast through Saturday morning, and then diverges ever so slightly to the west of that through Monday. It has become clear over the past 3 days that everyone on the East Coast from North Carolina to Maine should be prepared to feel impacts from Hurricane Irene.


Figure 2. Official track forecast provided by the National Hurricane Center.

Intensity forecast for Irene
Irene continues to be embedded in a large envelope of moisture, and wind shear is expected to remain low to moderate, 5 - 20 knots, for the next three days. With water temperatures very warm, 28 - 30°C, these conditions should allow for intensification to a category 4 hurricane (winds of 131 to 155 mph). The only reliable model that's not forecasting this intensification is the GFS, and this is likely due to its relatively course spatial resolution. The National Hurricane Center expects Irene to intensify to a category 4 tomorrow, with a decrease in intensity back to a category 3 on Friday.

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51. charlottefl 9:13 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting Grandpato4:
They say the effects here should be minimal. We might see winds of about 45 mph and waves but nothing too alarming in Atlantic Beach. I am very relieved. I hope the folks north of us are watching closely.


I would honestly strongly consider heading to the mainland even if it's only 10 miles. You're talking about potentially a cat 4 passing to your south, and not very far. If it were me I wouldn't be on a barrier island up there right now. Just a thought.
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52. NICycloneChaser 9:14 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting tampahurricane:
So is the new 90L expected to be a fish storm, or is it going to continue west?


Should be the proper definition of a fish storm. But you didn't hear me say that :P
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53. Bluestorm5 9:14 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting ncstorm:


seriously?..the track shifted west..the eye is now 60 miles wide..if this gets to a category 4, we could be looking at an eye with a 100 mile radius..
which put me into hurricane force in Raleigh if this hit between Wilmington-Morehead City
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54. MiamiHurricanes09 9:14 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:
90L is getting that look...

Indeed. I'm thinking a tropical depression tomorrow.

TAFB gave it a T1.5 at 18z.
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55. washingtonian115 9:14 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:
90L is getting that look...

That's likely going to be the next named storm/hurricane.
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56. stoormfury 9:14 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
looking at the new steering currents, the movement to the north will not be as soon as the models are trying to indicate. IRENE will continue northwest for awhile and make that north turn closer to south Florida than has been so projected by the models.
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57. MrstormX 9:14 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
EWRCs can lead a hurricane to become annular, but with these SSTs it probably won't happen with Irene.
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58. nrtiwlnvragn 9:14 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting Skyepony:
Taking a hard look at the average model error (in nm) for Irene.. Not doing so good overall for this storm.

Model Name 0hr 24hr 48hr 72hr 96hr 120hr
AVNI 0 57.0 87.3 109.9 129.4 130.1
CMC 33.2 60.2 93.0 128.1 - -
EGRR 17.3 57.6 153.2 262.8 - -(old version of UKMET)
AEMN 28.0 67.1 98.3 127.5 131.8 111.1 (GFS ensemble)
GFDL 10.6 52.7 154.2 253.8 403.7 -
GFDN 3.3 65.5 113.0 173.5 - -
HWRF 7.8 57.5 97.4 128.8 169.2 161.4
OFCL 0 55.8 111.6 165.3 - -
TVCN 0 54.7 90.9 121.5 121.2 111.9

Comparing the last run only..like who is doing best today..one stood out
AVNI 0 11.1 12.6 44.8 -


EGRR is the forecast issued by the UKMET Office
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59. MississippiWx 9:14 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Not really the best setup for the East Coast during the next 8-10 days according to the ECMWF/GFS 500mb mean. The blocking high over the Great Lakes and NE could steer any possible future system (Jose?) towards them.

Meanwhile, the Texas Ridge holds firm and there's no rest for the weary.

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60. ecflweatherfan 9:14 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Based on satellite trends, it appears as if Irene will miss the projected 8pm point (based on the 11am advisory) by about 15-20 miles to the WNW. It would have to go 0.3N 0.1W in order to hit that point (23.4N 74.8W), and that appears unlikely. Not meaning that it will not align with the next point, but perhaps with the computer models moving it slightly west, along with extrapolated satellite analysis, that could be the reason(s) why they moved it a few miles west.

Also TS wind field expands to 230 miles... she is a big Bahama mama.
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61. MississippiWx 9:15 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Indeed. I'm thinking a tropical depression tomorrow.

TAFB gave it a T1.5 at 18z.
Quoting washingtonian115:
That's likely going to be the next named storm/hurricane.


Agreed.
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62. galvestonhurricane 9:15 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
He can compair whatever storm he wants, deal with it or leave.


I'm just pointing out that it is not an accurate comparison. Why don't we just say whatever we want?
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63. Tazmanian 9:15 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
this is sad


there no hurricane watch out yet
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64. NICycloneChaser 9:16 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:
Not really the best setup for the East Coast during the next 8-10 days according to the ECMWF/GFS 500mb mean. The blocking high over the Great Lakes and NE could steer any possible future system (Jose?) towards them.

Meanwhile, the Texas Ridge holds firm and there's no rest for the weary.



Any thoughts on why models show 90L going northwards well out in the Atlantic despite the building ridge across the ocean?
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65. stillwaiting 9:16 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
pressure this morning here in sarasota was 1006.1 mb,its now at1002.9!!!,could see some isolated svere wx here over next 3-4 hrs imo
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66. galvestonhurricane 9:16 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
this is sad


there no hurricane watch out yet


Why on earth is that sad?
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67. Bluestorm5 9:17 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
If NHC goes with Irene traveling 2 more times, I'm getting ready... this is way too close for my comfort.
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68. SCwannabe 9:17 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
How close will the NHC let Irene get to Fla before they will be forced to issue TS watches and warnings?
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69. RitaEvac 9:17 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting galvestonhurricane:


Do NOT compare this storm to Ike. Ike was a category 2 hurricane with category 4/5 storm surge. At one point, Ike filled up the entire Gulf of Mexico. Ike had a hurricane wind radius more than twice that of Irene currently.


She's gonna be Ike's size once she's going up the coast
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71. LargoFl 9:17 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting streamtracker:
These were lost at the end of the last blog:


1938 New England Hurricane Clip #1



1938 New England Hurricane Clip #2


For those who don't understand how hard NE can get slammed. Hoping it tracks to the east and out to sea. Sorry Irene, you're just not right for me.

Wonderful clips there,ty for finding that
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72. NCSaint 9:18 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting Skyepony:
Taking a hard look at the average model error (in nm) for Irene.. Not doing so good overall for this storm.

Model Name 0hr 24hr 48hr 72hr 96hr 120hr
AVNI 0 57.0 87.3 109.9 129.4 130.1
CMC 33.2 60.2 93.0 128.1 - -
EGRR 17.3 57.6 153.2 262.8 - -(old version of UKMET)
AEMN 28.0 67.1 98.3 127.5 131.8 111.1 (GFS ensemble)
GFDL 10.6 52.7 154.2 253.8 403.7 -
GFDN 3.3 65.5 113.0 173.5 - -
HWRF 7.8 57.5 97.4 128.8 169.2 161.4
OFCL 0 55.8 111.6 165.3 - -
TVCN 0 54.7 90.9 121.5 121.2 111.9

Comparing the last run only..like who is doing best today..one stood out
AVNI 0 11.1 12.6 44.8 -


Good analyis Skyepony, thanks.

Quoting Grandpato4:
They say the effects here should be minimal. We might see winds of about 45 mph and waves but nothing too alarming in Atlantic Beach. I am very relieved. I hope the folks north of us are watching closely.


And not to be an alarmist that forces you to feel foolish putting your shutters up early, but this is exactly why you prepare the way you have Grandpato4
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73. CaribBoy 9:18 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


Any thoughts on why models show 90L going northwards well out in the Atlantic despite the building ridge across the ocean?


Models always do that in the far easter atlantic lol
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74. galvestonhurricane 9:19 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


She's gonna be Ike's size once she's going up the coast


How do you know that for sure?
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75. DallasGumby 9:19 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting ncstorm:


seriously?..the track shifted west..the eye is now 60 miles wide..if this gets to a category 4, we could be looking at an eye with a 100 mile radius..
If the eye has a 100 mile radius, it won't be a Cat 4.
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76. VieraChris 9:19 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting ecflweatherfan:
Based on satellite trends, it appears as if Irene will miss the projected 8pm point (based on the 11am advisory) by about 15-20 miles to the WNW. It would have to go 0.3N 0.1W in order to hit that point (23.4N 74.8W), and that appears unlikely. Not meaning that it will not align with the next point, but perhaps with the computer models moving it slightly west, along with extrapolated satellite analysis, that could be the reason(s) why they moved it a few miles west.

Also TS wind field expands to 230 miles... she is a big Bahama mama.


Still thinking some sustained TS force winds for us here in Brevard ecfl, what do you think?
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77. SCwannabe 9:19 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting FLdewey:
So who do you trust? EOC or TV dude?

The guy who's paycheck doesn't come ratings. ;-)


The TV guy was her for Hugo so he knows that storms can sometimes change course
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78. Swpepper 9:19 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
I know it's unrealistic to expect it simply due to the nature of a hurricane, but these constantly shifting models and wobbles are driving me minorly insane. I live in Elizabeth City, NC, which isn't TOO far from the Outer Banks, but close enough that each one of these model wobbles has me either getting TS force winds (which I can handle), or OMFG CAT 4 IN YO FACE winds (which make me wanna evac). I just wish Irene would pick a track already, so I can finally decide whether or not to prepare for some time in my house without power, or run for the hills ><

Sorry to any of you all in the OBX, either way this goes, it's not going to be good for you down there.
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80. WhereIsTheStorm 9:20 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    

Quoting Grandpato4:
They say the effects here should be minimal. We might see winds of about 45 mph and waves but nothing too alarming in Atlantic Beach. I am very relieved. I hope the folks north of us are watching closely.
You are absolutely correct as of today at this time.  Two days ago it was going directed at you.  There are too many factors to consider and this storm is too far away to make that accurate a prediction.  Yesterday I told someone that we would only get 20 to 30 mph winds in Miami; but now the Hurricane is growing to a possible CAT 4 in the Bahamas; which means that there is now a possibility of TS force winds in Miami due to the size of the storm, not just the direction of the storm.  Who knows what tomorrow will bring.  Just keep an eye on it and be prepared to take the appropriate action as needed.
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81. SPLbeater 9:20 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    




Nice CDO
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82. PaulinJax 9:20 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
When do they pull the trigger on Watches / warnings ?..err admit the error in the path ...

Or do we hold our fingers crossed ,, what the winds at the bouy now ?
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84. tpabarb 9:21 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting ncstorm:


seriously?..the track shifted west..the eye is now 60 miles wide..if this gets to a category 4, we could be looking at an eye with a 100 mile radius..


Gulp.

Signed,

Wilmingtonian (Wilmingtonite?)
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85. ecflweatherfan 9:21 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting stillwaiting:
pressure this morning here in sarasota was 1006.1 mb,its now at1002.9!!!,could see some isolated svere wx here over next 3-4 hrs imo


Better re-check that gauge... the official pressure reading at KSRQ is 1009.5, I am over on the east coast of FL (e.g. closer to Irene) and our pressures aren't even that low yet.
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86. jerseygrl 9:21 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
There's so much over-hype and under-hype about this storm, it's really hard to know who to believe. I tend to trust WU a lot more than TWC or the local news.

Having said that...I'm in Central NJ, about 15 miles inland. Obviously, no one knows exactly where Irene is heading, but assuming she follows the NHC's current track, what can I expect? What do I need to do to prepare? I don't want to overreact, but I do want to be ready.

Thanks.
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87. streamtracker 9:21 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Monitor this site about the hazards. Note that it's not yet been updated for Irene.

TROPICAL CYCLONE IMPACTS - DECISION SUPPORT


Not updated for Irene, but there are some general scenario maps (Cat 1, 2, 3, etc, high tide, max surge) and the simple answer is yes you might need to worry. The highest potential surges for the northern shore of long island are the areas closest to the mainland.
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88. washingtonian115 9:22 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:
Not really the best setup for the East Coast during the next 8-10 days according to the ECMWF/GFS 500mb mean. The blocking high over the Great Lakes and NE could steer any possible future system (Jose?) towards them.

Meanwhile, the Texas Ridge holds firm and there's no rest for the weary.

I hope Jose doesn't do an Ike track on us.But this time it's an east coast event.
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89. RitaEvac 9:22 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting galvestonhurricane:


How do you know that for sure?


She will expand more, longer storms travel the bigger the wind fields get,
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90. farhaonhebrew 9:22 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
models shift on Invest 90L?
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91. SPLbeater 9:22 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting Bluestorm5:
If NHC goes with Irene traveling 2 more times, I'm getting ready... this is way too close for my comfort.


You an NC resident too?
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92. NICycloneChaser 9:22 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting PaulinJax:
When do they pull the trigger on Watches / warnings ?..err admit the error in the path ...

Or do we hold our fingers crossed ,, what the winds at the bouy now ?


There is no error in the path. It might be a tiny bit west, but these erratic short-term motions are expected with a hurricane. Later tonight there will be a wobble north and Irene will look like she is east of the NHC track.
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93. MississippiWx 9:23 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


Any thoughts on why models show 90L going northwards well out in the Atlantic despite the building ridge across the ocean?


Well, the GFS at 72 hours has a trough dipping down around the Azores. That puts just enough of a dint in the ridge to give possible Jose a path to the north. If you remember back to 98L when it was just off the Coast of Africa, the models had it turning immediately north and going out to sea. As you can tell, it's still hanging around out there moving west underneath the ridge. We will have to see just how much the ridge weakens to the north. However, the difference between 98L and 90L is that 98L never got strong enough to feel the weakness. If 90L develops into a tropical cyclone (which it should), it would feel the weakness to the north if it is actually there like the models predict.

It is worth noting that the models hint at it turning back west once the weakness fills.

GFS 72 hour 500mb Heights:

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94. atmoaggie 9:23 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:
Tropicalanalyst...Good call on the EWRC. After you showed me the microwave pass, I believed you anyway. Lol.
? We were talking about that about an hour before...

(Unless I completely missed something in the haystack of posts.)
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95. charlottefl 9:23 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting ecflweatherfan:


Better re-check that gauge... the official pressure reading at KSRQ is 1009.5, I am over on the east coast of FL (e.g. closer to Irene) and our pressures aren't even that low yet.


It has to do with the High's. The Texas high has retrograded from the West Coast therefore lowering pressure. Nothing to do with the storm..
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96. washingtonian115 9:24 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting jerseygrl:
There's so much over-hype and under-hype about this storm, it's really hard to know who to believe. I tend to trust WU a lot more than TWC or the local news.

Having said that...I'm in Central NJ, about 15 miles inland. Obviously, no one knows exactly where Irene is heading, but assuming she follows the NHC's current track, what can I expect? What do I need to do to prepare? I don't want to overreact, but I do want to be ready.

Thanks.
Well you should've seen how they hyped the earthquake here.The kids had no school today.
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99. RitaEvac 9:24 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Cousin asked me for tips in NJ, told me they have tree branches from neighbor hanging over house, I told her you better be teaming up and getting those cut, and to cut any dead limbs immediately and put out front of house for trash pick up.
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100. BA 9:25 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
check out canadian, heh


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101. washingtonian115 9:25 PM GMT en Agosto 24, 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:


Well, the GFS at 72 hours has a trough dipping down around the Azores. That puts just enough of a dint in the ridge to give possible Jose a path to the north. If you remember back to 98L when it was just off the Coast of Africa, the models had it turning immediately north and going out to sea. As you can tell, it's still hanging around out there moving west underneath the ridge. We will have to see just how much the ridge weakens to the north. However, the difference between 98L and 90L is that 98L never got strong enough to feel the weakness. If 90L develops into a tropical cyclone (which it should), it would feel the weakness to the north if it is actually there like the models predict.

It is worth noting that the models hint at it turning back west once the weakness fills.

GFS 72 hour 500mb Heights:

hurricane Ike track?
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