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Invest 91L reorganizing; The heat is on (again)
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 4:16 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011 +21
Invest 91L, which is located near 14°N, 57°W, is showing signs of reorganization after a pretty rough weekend. On Saturday, the wave looked ripe to develop with organized convection and the hint of a surface circulation. On Sunday a Hurricane Hunter and NOAA G9 flew into the system only to find it disorganized and negatively influenced by the burst of convection that sprouted on its western edge. Since then, low-level circulation has at least strengthened, if not consolidated, and residents of the Lesser Antilles should be prepared for tropical storm advisories to be posted on short notice. Satellite loops show decent thunderstorm activity and some mid-level circulation, and continued bursts of thunderstorms to the southwest of the invest region. The wave is surrounded by moderately strong wind shear (30-40 knots) on both the north and the south sides, which could delay development. Also, a large mass of dry, Saharan air continues to linger to 91L's north. In a mission this morning, Hurricane Hunters found winds close to tropical storm strength, but no signs of a closed surface circulation—just plenty of winds from the east or southeast. The next mission is scheduled for 2pm EDT, and they will continue every six hours if the system remains a threat.


Figure 1. Visible satellite of Invest 91L at 10:30am EDT as it moves west toward the Lesser Antilles.

Forecast For 91L
Development will probably occur in the next day or two, and the National Hurricane Center is giving the wave a 90% chance in the next 48 hours. The question now is where will it go, and how long will it remain a tropical cyclone. Models are split today, although still leaning toward an Atlantic recurving solution. In the camp of a Gulf of Mexico track are the CMC and the UKMET models. The GFS and the ECMWF are still in favor of the system tracking northwest toward Florida (and coming close) before taking a turn to the northeast. The NOGAPS model is resolving a Florida landfall in this morning's run, and the HWRF hints that it might like that solution, as well, at the end of its run. The GFDL remains conservative and forecasts that the system will turn north and northeast well before making any connection with the U.S. coast. It is notable that although there is still much disagreement on where this system will go, the models have been trending west in their tracks over the past few days. However, it is extremely difficult to nail down a track before a cyclone has even developed. Something we know for sure is that 91L is a threat to the Lesser Antilles and the Caribbean islands including Puerto Rico, Hispaniola, and the Bahamas.

In terms of intensity, both the GFDL and the HWRF are thinking this will eventually get to hurricane strength once it develops, although neither are forecasting it to become stronger than a category 1. SHIPS (which tracks 91L into the far eastern Gulf of Mexico) brings the system up to a category 1 hurricane, and the LGEM does as well, but is slower in its intensification. General consensus this morning is that 91L will max out somewhere between a moderate tropical cyclone and a moderate category 1 hurricane. Again, this is something that is difficult to predict before development itself occurs.

The Heat Is On (Again)

Someone turned the furnace on again in the central U.S., although many would argue that it was never actually turned off after the last heat wave. Heat advisories have been issued from southern Louisiana to North Dakota. Temperatures are expected to climb to 115°F in the central Plains through Wednesday, and heat index values will soar again. Oklahoma has now seen over a month of high temperatures hitting at least 100°. Some reprieve could come later this week.


Figure 2. Weather advisories issued by the National Weather Service. Heat-related advisories are pink.

Angela
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2201. CajunTexan 11:14 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
I do more lurking than anything, but tell me if I havethis about right...

The longer this thing stays weak, the more west its gonna go... and if it doesn't do something pretty quick, once it gets to the Eastern Car., then all bets are off till it gets into the Western car., as a general rule, at least... Sound about right??
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2202. CybrTeddy 11:14 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting Ameister12:
Just dropped in.

What's new with 91L?


Recon found Tropical Storm Emily. We had a renumber.
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2203. weathermancer 11:14 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


This blog in charge of classifying systems.

Now THERE'S a scary thought.


lol...
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2204. FLHurricaneHunter 11:14 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
It figures....I get my dream home in the Florida Keys and now we may Emily to deal with. Sigh..... But I do love tracking these storms
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2205. CanesfanatUT 11:14 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


This blog in charge of classifying systems.

Now THERE'S a scary thought.


There would be so many renumbers and deletes the servers would explode at NOAA HQ.
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2207. Patrap 11:14 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting presslord:


yup...he spends a lot of time in my bedroom




Do u mute him, and read da closed caption instead?
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2208. stormwatcherCI 11:15 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting presslord:


yup...he spends a lot of time in my bedroom
Do you wear your dress ?
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2210. Surger 11:15 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting HarryMc:
... Got side tracked. Gabby Giffords just made an appearance in the House to vote for the budget deal. Really something.


Wonderful scene. They gave her a huge standing ovation. Really something special!
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2211. IceCoast 11:15 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
It's gonna take time.

They have to make a lot of calls for the many watches/warnings that are warranted.

I thought that too, but with it being at 100% for almost 48hrs you would've figure they had that sorted out already. Would of thought we'd get a special advisory, but Emily will rise at 8 it appears.
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2212. heliluv2trac 11:15 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
this will be gulf storm maybe from new orleans to florida needs to pay attention its a very weak storm and it will continue to go west the cone will shift more west it always do
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2213. Tazmanian 11:15 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
they this found a MB of 1006.4mb
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2214. redwagon 11:15 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
To Ritaevac:

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/loops/wxlo op.cgi?wv_east_enhanced+12

The SE is training up storms, see last frame to try to weaken our ridge, watch as each comer goes poof.
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2215. MiamiHurricanes09 11:15 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:



i do say are TS is looking better and better i wounder if its going under a RI?
No, lol. It's organizing/strengthening gradually.

Nothing rapid.
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2217. weathermancer 11:15 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting CajunTexan:
I do more lurking than anything, but tell me if I havethis about right...

The longer this thing stays weak, the more west its gonna go... and if it doesn't do something pretty quick, once it gets to the Eastern Car., then all bets are off till it gets into the Western car., as a general rule, at least... Sound about right??


no
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2218. HurricaneSwirl 11:15 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting FLHurricaneHunter:
The Weather Channel is still calling it 91L. Obviously they haven't received any update. Geesh


That one isn't TWC's fault though. The only people calling this thing Emily is us and ATCF. Not even the NHC is calling it Emily yet. Once the NHC issues its first advisory, then every other weather website and media website will call it Emily.
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2219. kmanislander 11:15 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
It does. I was thinking along those lines but I don't really know anything so wanted confirmation. I have been following along with the blog today and seems like many who know what they are talking about think the weakness may be too weak or too far north to have much of an impact on steering. Do you think there is even a small chance this comes far enough west to affect us just looking at things now ?


In the short term this will go further West than the last run of the models IMO. To answer your question I would need to look at the forecast steering 3 days down the road and have not done that yet. An East coast trough is supposed tp pick it up but the delay in it being classified and the more Westerly track could mean the trough either totally or partially misses it.

At the moment I dont see it as a NW Caribbean threat for our area but will post more later on this when I have a chance to look at sone data and forecasts.
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2220. Ameister12 11:16 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:


Quoting CybrTeddy:


Recon found Tropical Storm Emily. We had a renumber.

a TS now

'Bout time.
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2221. Patrap 11:16 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Seems dat un went right over the Charlton Heston Fan's head..


: )

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2222. Tazmanian 11:16 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
No, lol. It's organizing/strengthening gradually.

Nothing rapid.



yet but it is heading in too hot water and i mean hot!
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2223. MiamiHurricanes09 11:16 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting HurricaneSwirl:


That one isn't TWC's fault though. The only people calling this thing Emily is us and ATCF. Not even the NHC is calling it Emily yet. Once the NHC issues its first advisory, then every other weather website and media website will call it Emily.
Weather Underground stays winning, LOL.
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2224. angiest 11:16 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting heliluv2trac:
this will be gulf storm maybe from new orleans to florida needs to pay attention its a very weak storm and it will continue to go west the cone will shift more west it always do


That's funny. Some people say it always moves east.
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2225. nrtiwlnvragn 11:16 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
HPC Extended Forecast Discussion

Excerpt:

THE MODELS ARE ALSO STRUGGLING TO RESOLVE A POTENTIAL TROPICAL
SYSTEM ORIGINATING FROM AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE IN THE VICINITY OF
55-60W LONGITUDE. OPERATIONAL MODEL TRACKS RANGE FROM THE CNTRL
GULF IN THE 00Z UKMET TO E OF THE FL PENINSULA IN THE 00Z
GFS/ECMWF. SLIGHT WWD TREND OF THE GFS OVER THE PAST 12 HRS AND
EWD ADJUSTMENT IN THE 12Z UKMET OFFER POTENTIAL FOR SOME
CONVERGENCE IN SOLNS BUT THE 12Z ECMWF IS QUITE SUPPRESSED WITH
MINIMAL DEVELOPMENT. 17Z NHC/HPC COORDINATION YIELDS A TRACK JUST
TO THE E OF THE FLORIDA PENINSULA... A REASONABLE COMPROMISE
BETWEEN CONTINUITY AND SOME RECENT MODEL FCSTS. CONSULT THE
LATEST NHC TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK FOR FURTHER INFO REGARDING
THIS FEATURE.



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2226. Hurricanejer95 11:16 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Time: 23:02:30Z
Coordinates: 14.9667N 61.1W
Acft. Static Air Press: 976.5 mb (~ 28.84 inHg)
Acft. Geopotential Hgt: 263 meters (~ 863 feet)
Extrap. Sfc. Press: 1006.4 mb (~ 29.72 inHg)
D-value: -
Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s): From 200° at 23 knots (From the SSW at ~ 26.4 mph)
Air Temp: 23.0°C (~ 73.4°F)
Dew Pt: 20.9°C (~ 69.6°F)
Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind: 24 knots (~ 27.6 mph)
SFMR Peak (10s) Sfc. Wind: 36 knots (~ 41.4 mph)
SFMR Rain Rate: 22 mm/hr (~ 0.87 in/hr)

Lowest pressure on recent pass was 1006, the same as the passes 2-3 hrs ago
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2227. HuracanTaino 11:17 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting FLWeatherFreak91:
Not much point in issuing warning at this point for the lesser antilles. It's right on top of them.
Much likely they will post tropical storm warning for the norhthern Leewards and perhaps watches to the V.I. and Puerto Rico, tonight.
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2228. Twinkster 11:17 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
they will wait until 8 to update to ts emily
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2230. HurricaneSwirl 11:17 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting P451:
So it happened.

invest_RENUMBER_al912011_al052011.ren 01-Aug-2011 22:19 3.2K





Been busy watching the storms roll through my area:




Haven't seen development like that in a long time. Especially this area.


Numerous cloud to ground lighting strikes. 3 within 500 feet. About a dozen within a quarter mile. 100s others nearby.



Lots of hail. Pea to Marble sized.

YouTube Video of Hail


Lol, I'm watching that loop as this innocent little blob comes in from the NW and BAM it transforms into this monster T storm complex.
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2231. hurricanehunter27 11:17 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting weatherjr:
Invest 91 is nothing more than a couple of thunderstorms. Here in PR we see that case frequently. Why the alarms? It is unnecessary. People from PR and the rest of the antilles DONT WORRY about this simple and Innocuos event!!! I ask again: why the NHC spends so much money for a couple of thunderstorms? PLEASE think about the DEBT DEFAULT in USA!!!!! SAVE MONEY TO YOUR PEOPLE!!!
OK...you go ignore if you say somingthing like that again.
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2232. kmanislander 11:17 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Will be back later.
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2233. stormwatcherCI 11:17 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting kmanislander:


In the short term this will go further West than the last run of the models IMO. To answer your question I would need to look at the forecast steering 3 days down the road and have not done that yet. An East coast trough is supposed tp pick it up but the delay in it being classified and the more Westerly track could mean the trough either totally or partially misses it.

At the moment I dont see it as a NW Caribbean threat for our area but will post more later on this when I have a chance to look at sone data and forecasts.
Thanks. Look forward to it.
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2234. jonelu 11:17 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting FLHurricaneHunter:
It figures....I get my dream home in the Florida Keys and now we may Emily to deal with. Sigh..... But I do love tracking these storms
Well first there is Murphy's Law and secondly...yer in the Keys. Yer gonna have action to watch every year.
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2235. Stormchaser2007 11:17 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
50MPH SFMR

Unflagged

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2236. CanesfanatUT 11:18 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting kmanislander:


In the short term this will go further West than the last run of the models IMO. To answer your question I would need to look at the forecast steering 3 days down the road and have not done that yet. An East coast trough is supposed tp pick it up but the delay in it being classified and the more Westerly track could mean the trough either totally or partially misses it.

At the moment I dont see it as a NW Caribbean threat for our area but will post more later on this when I have a chance to look at sone data and forecasts.


Thanks Kman - good to see you back.
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2237. Tazmanian 11:18 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
50MPH SFMR

Unflagged




if they make it a 50mph storm that will be a good start
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2238. hotrods 11:18 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Very well said Saint! I have been through David, Frances, Jeene, Charley, Fay, Depressions, storms and so on, linving here all my life on the space coast, my father who has passed on and now that i have, is the old 8mm films that he took of when Donna swept by and even the old projector that still works, film shows the Merritt Island airport with planes flipped over all over the place, talk about past history!
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2239. wpb 11:19 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
still no defind west wind in recon data just past area and a breif wsw wind plus there has been no vortex message.

guess will have the 8pm two for the next update.
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2240. HurricaneSwirl 11:19 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
50MPH SFMR

Unflagged



Ehh, rain rate is a little high though. Earlier today we actually saw a few unflagged 60+ mph winds, but they were in rain rates of like 1.6 in/hr.
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2241. EricSFL 11:19 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
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2242. Chucktown 11:19 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting presslord:


yup...he spends a lot of time in my bedroom


Press, you weren't supposed to tell anyone...LOL !!
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2244. CanesfanatUT 11:20 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
50MPH SFMR

Unflagged



What program is that you are using?
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2245. wpb 11:20 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
navy site just updated

91l to storm 05
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2246. hunkerdown 11:20 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Weather Underground stays winning, LOL.
duh
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2247. Seflhurricane 11:20 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting wpb:
still no defind west wind in recon data just past area and a breif wsw wind plus there has been no vortex message.

guess will have the 8pm two for the next update.
its already a Tropical storm it has been renumbered on the navy site we are waiting for the special advisory
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2248. weathermancer 11:20 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting kmanislander:
Will be back later.


i agree...
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2249. aasmith26 11:21 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


I have a lot of respect for Norcross after watching news coverage of Andrew on landfall though, how he stayed in the studio while a hurricane was making landfall.


Norcross is great. Haven't seen Dr. Rick Knabb that long but i'm pretty confident in him as well.
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2250. Hurricanes101 11:21 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
I have yet to see a true west wind in the last couple of passes
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2251. HurricaneSwirl 11:21 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting CanesfanatUT:


What program is that you are using?


This

Click on "Air Force High Density (HDOB) Message (URNT15)"
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