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Invest 91L reorganizing; The heat is on (again)
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 4:16 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011 +21
Invest 91L, which is located near 14°N, 57°W, is showing signs of reorganization after a pretty rough weekend. On Saturday, the wave looked ripe to develop with organized convection and the hint of a surface circulation. On Sunday a Hurricane Hunter and NOAA G9 flew into the system only to find it disorganized and negatively influenced by the burst of convection that sprouted on its western edge. Since then, low-level circulation has at least strengthened, if not consolidated, and residents of the Lesser Antilles should be prepared for tropical storm advisories to be posted on short notice. Satellite loops show decent thunderstorm activity and some mid-level circulation, and continued bursts of thunderstorms to the southwest of the invest region. The wave is surrounded by moderately strong wind shear (30-40 knots) on both the north and the south sides, which could delay development. Also, a large mass of dry, Saharan air continues to linger to 91L's north. In a mission this morning, Hurricane Hunters found winds close to tropical storm strength, but no signs of a closed surface circulation—just plenty of winds from the east or southeast. The next mission is scheduled for 2pm EDT, and they will continue every six hours if the system remains a threat.


Figure 1. Visible satellite of Invest 91L at 10:30am EDT as it moves west toward the Lesser Antilles.

Forecast For 91L
Development will probably occur in the next day or two, and the National Hurricane Center is giving the wave a 90% chance in the next 48 hours. The question now is where will it go, and how long will it remain a tropical cyclone. Models are split today, although still leaning toward an Atlantic recurving solution. In the camp of a Gulf of Mexico track are the CMC and the UKMET models. The GFS and the ECMWF are still in favor of the system tracking northwest toward Florida (and coming close) before taking a turn to the northeast. The NOGAPS model is resolving a Florida landfall in this morning's run, and the HWRF hints that it might like that solution, as well, at the end of its run. The GFDL remains conservative and forecasts that the system will turn north and northeast well before making any connection with the U.S. coast. It is notable that although there is still much disagreement on where this system will go, the models have been trending west in their tracks over the past few days. However, it is extremely difficult to nail down a track before a cyclone has even developed. Something we know for sure is that 91L is a threat to the Lesser Antilles and the Caribbean islands including Puerto Rico, Hispaniola, and the Bahamas.

In terms of intensity, both the GFDL and the HWRF are thinking this will eventually get to hurricane strength once it develops, although neither are forecasting it to become stronger than a category 1. SHIPS (which tracks 91L into the far eastern Gulf of Mexico) brings the system up to a category 1 hurricane, and the LGEM does as well, but is slower in its intensification. General consensus this morning is that 91L will max out somewhere between a moderate tropical cyclone and a moderate category 1 hurricane. Again, this is something that is difficult to predict before development itself occurs.

The Heat Is On (Again)

Someone turned the furnace on again in the central U.S., although many would argue that it was never actually turned off after the last heat wave. Heat advisories have been issued from southern Louisiana to North Dakota. Temperatures are expected to climb to 115°F in the central Plains through Wednesday, and heat index values will soar again. Oklahoma has now seen over a month of high temperatures hitting at least 100°. Some reprieve could come later this week.


Figure 2. Weather advisories issued by the National Weather Service. Heat-related advisories are pink.

Angela
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451. tiggeriffic 6:41 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


It will, this year everything is going westbound


it is gonna pull off around bermuda giving a false sense of security and then really quick flatten out and back up back to the west and cause a blocking ridge...idk why it is in my head...even drempt it last night...saw the whole map lol
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452. Tazmanian 6:41 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
01/1745 UTC 14.9N 57.1W T2.5/2.5 91L -- Atlantic
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453. MississippiWx 6:41 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Anyway, this is going to take a while to organize. I'm out for a while. Nothing like yard work in 100F heat with a dewpoint of 76F!
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454. HurricaneDean07 6:42 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
LLC for 91L is a naked swirl just east of Dominica...
15.5 N ; 60.5 W

im gonna lurk for A WHILE, my brain is seriously hurting, 91L is just very scattered right now, it needs to get rid of the MLC that it is so focused on, and blow up convection near it's actual center...
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456. MiamiHurricanes09 6:43 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
01/1745 UTC 14.9N 57.1W T2.5/2.5 91L -- Atlantic
Whaaaaat? Lol, 91L doesn't look that organized to me.
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457. WxLogic 6:43 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
500MB VORT (just updated)... validates the observations that the MLC earlier today died off and is reforming closer to the LLC becoming dominant closer to the Leeward Island chain:

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459. aspectre 6:43 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Patrap "That's why the official sources NEVER us a "Pre" term,nor a List Name before its designated.
Its confusing,and irresponsible for bloggers to do it here.
"

I agree wholeheartedly... with an exception.
I think that when one is discussing storms that have occurred in the past, eg Alex, using 'preAlex' is valid because it is less confusing than using either an AL# or a TD#.

The NHC does something similar. Once a TropicalStorm is Named, the name is kept through a drop to depression status: eg TS.Alex became TD.Alex then TS.Alex again.
I don't think the NHC would object to referring to a stage in Don's life cycle as "preDon" or "exDon"
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460. MrstormX 6:43 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
This setup looks more westerly then I would have originally though, plus it is remaining weak. Could this end up Don, round two?
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461. HurricaneDean07 6:43 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
110 In dallas today, SO BURNING HOT

anyway, Recon heading straight for the LLC
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462. Tazmanian 6:44 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Whaaaaat? Lol, 91L doesn't look that organized to me.



hey dont look at me am this a blog poster here
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464. RitaEvac 6:44 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


it is gonna pull off around bermuda giving a false sense of security and then really quick flatten out and back up back to the west and cause a blocking ridge...idk why it is in my head...even drempt it last night...saw the whole map lol


Yea, troughs this time of year don't come barelling down, so I don't know what the hell the models are seeing. If anything it would be like a Rita track where it formed in the Bahamas and barreled west into central gulf
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465. BobinTampa 6:45 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting deaddude21:
So now Jason's pretending to be a girl? How cute and tropicalamanda-ish :-)



If you joined yesterday, how do you know about tropicalamanda?

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467. kuppenskup 6:45 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK FOR THE ATLANTIC, THE CARIBBEAN SEA & THE GULF OF MEXICO ISSUED AT 2:05PM
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468. angiest 6:46 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


UKMET has changed


NEW TROPICAL STORM FORECAST TO DEVELOP AFTER 24 HOURS

FORECAST POSITION AT T+ 24 : 15.6N 64.5W



VERIFYING TIME POSITION STRENGTH TENDENCY

-------------- -------- -------- --------

12UTC 02.08.2011 15.6N 64.5W WEAK

00UTC 03.08.2011 16.5N 66.7W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

12UTC 03.08.2011 17.6N 69.0W WEAK INTENSIFYING SLIGHTLY

00UTC 04.08.2011 18.3N 70.2W MODERATE INTENSIFYING SLIGHTLY

12UTC 04.08.2011 19.5N 74.3W WEAK WEAKENING RAPIDLY

00UTC 05.08.2011 21.5N 76.5W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

12UTC 05.08.2011 23.4N 78.7W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

00UTC 06.08.2011 24.8N 80.6W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

12UTC 06.08.2011 26.1N 82.4W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

00UTC 07.08.2011 28.0N 83.5W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

12UTC 07.08.2011 29.4N 83.9W MODERATE INTENSIFYING SLIGHTLY






The end point still looks to be in the eastern GOM.
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469. tiggeriffic 6:46 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


Yea, troughs this time of year don't come barelling down, so I don't know what the hell the models are seeing. If anything it would be like a Rita track where it formed in the Bahamas and barreled west into central gulf


Unless it gets just enough convection to feel the trough and get sucked a little north toward it before it pushes it back west...if that happens, anywhere from FL to NC could take a slap...
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470. DFWjc 6:46 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting HurricaneDean07:
110 In dallas today, SO BURNING HOT

anyway, Recon heading straight for the LLC


Where are you at??? I'm in North Richland Hills and it's 106.2 F
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471. NICycloneChaser 6:46 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
01/1745 UTC 14.9N 57.1W T2.5/2.5 91L -- Atlantic


2.5? This is getting silly, 91L clearly lacks organisation but in terms of winds would be Emily.
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473. nrtiwlnvragn 6:47 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Whaaaaat? Lol, 91L doesn't look that organized to me.


Hopefully it is in the soon to be posted FIX file, interested to see how that was derived. I don't get it either.
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474. HurricaneDean07 6:47 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
T# 2.5 due to the reasoning of 45 mph winds, and it has around a 1008 MB pressure(maybe less)
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476. islander101010 6:47 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
if the system does not pinch off a low how high can the winds get?
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477. MiamiHurricanes09 6:47 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting deaddude21:

T-numbers represent wind intensity, not organization level.
The wind intensity is based off of the organization/presentation of the system on satellite imagery.

And 91L doesn't look organized to me on satellite.
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478. SeaMule 6:47 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
llc has a nice blow up of convection now. Look for a tropical storm within 24 hours, cat 2 a few days later....and a general puckering up of the GOM....as this baby becomes a really big storm.

It has the makings of a bigeeee.

imho.

I am guessing major hurricane...probably a cat 5, in the GOM.

Is that allowed here?

strike anywhere between New Orleans and Destin Florida
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480. tiggeriffic 6:48 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting BobinTampa:



If you joined yesterday, how do you know about tropicalamanda?



BWAHAHAHAHA...OH SNAP! Mt Dew just hit my puter screen....roflmbo
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481. NICycloneChaser 6:48 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting WxLogic:
500MB VORT (just updated)... validates the observations that the MLC earlier today died off and is reforming closer to the LLC becoming dominant closer to the Leeward Island chain:



Yep, for sure the west circulation is fast becoming the main one. Waiting for recon to get back up there.
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482. hurricanehunter27 6:48 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting BobinTampa:



If you joined yesterday, how do you know about tropicalamanda?

Come on! Maybe he was reading it before he made an account! I waited 4 years to make my account!
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483. TropicalAnalystwx13 6:48 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting MrstormX:
This setup looks more westerly then I would have originally though, plus it is remaining weak. Could this end up Don, round two?


Not nearly that far west.
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484. PcolaDan 6:49 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
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485. chevycanes 6:49 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
you can already see a trough off the east coast. there is a front with a low off the GA/SC coast. the winds in S. FL for tomorrow are forecast to be out of the SW.
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486. Gorty 6:49 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
I doubt we will see development early week, maybe late week. NHC is probably going to lower it more, maybe to 50 percent by 8 PM.
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487. HurricaneKing 6:49 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Whaaaaat? Lol, 91L doesn't look that organized to me.


Honestly it looks the most organized it has in a while. You can see the mlc disappearing into the outflow shear mix like dust in the wind and convection developing in bands to the east of the llc that was racing ahead earlier. It's going from looking like a pure mess to just a sheared off dry air infused tropical storm/depression. ((ie less of a mess but still very messy))
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488. TropicalAnalystwx13 6:50 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting BobinTampa:



If you joined yesterday, how do you know about tropicalamanda?



Maybe he waited a while before making the account?
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489. nrtiwlnvragn 6:50 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
184530 1442N 05936W 9759 00285 0082 +236 +169 098023 024 028 001 00



1008.2 mb
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490. NICycloneChaser 6:50 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Methinks recon just found the centre. Waiting for them to go round the south side.
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491. Patrap 6:51 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting aspectre:
Patrap "That's why the official sources NEVER us a "Pre" term,nor a List Name before its designated.
Its confusing,and irresponsible for bloggers to do it here.
"

I agree wholeheartedly... with an exception.
I think that when one is discussing storms that have occurred in the past, eg Alex, using 'preAlex' is valid because it is less confusing than using either an AL# or a TD#.

The NHC does something similar. Once a TropicalStorm is Named, the name is kept through a drop to depression status: eg TS.Alex became TD.Alex then TS.Alex again.
I don't think the NHC would object to referring to a stage in Don's life cycle as "preDon" or "exDon"


Never mentioned the "past" in my post.

I was specific as to active Invest and such,,not the past,

RE-peat, not the past.



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492. islander101010 6:51 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
that little vortex out front is worrisome
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493. RitaEvac 6:52 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
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494. midgulfmom 6:52 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:
IDK...i have a strange feeling that the trough that is supposed to cause the recurve is gonna flatten out and block it...
Afternoon. It's possible. Don't know how to post graphics but check the '65 Betsy Track. Crazy....
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495. Orcasystems 6:52 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
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497. markot 6:52 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
look to the west of blow up...feeder bands are forming....
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498. Fleetfox 6:52 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    

Anybody notice this? Any of you experts care to make comparisons? 1900 Storm vs. 91L?


Link
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499. BoroDad17 6:52 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Big swing in wind direction the last couple of HH observations. Getting close to the LLC too. Nothing W though. Maybe in 10-20 minutes they find some, at which point we have Emily.
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500. Tazmanian 6:52 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
SFRM this found this

57 knots
(~ 65.5 mph)
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501. quakeman55 6:53 PM GMT en Agosto 01, 2011    
Quoting HurricaneKing:


Honestly it looks the most organized it has in a while. You can see the mlc disappearing into the outflow shear mix like dust in the wind and convection developing in bands to the east of the llc that was racing ahead earlier. It's going from looking like a pure mess to just a sheared off dry air infused tropical storm/depression. ((ie less of a mess but still very messy))


I close my eyes
Only for a moment and the moment's gone
All my dreams
Pass before my eyes a curiosity

Dust in the wind
All they are is dust in the wind

Just had to do it...lol
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