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Invest now to improve tornado warnings; an early start to hurricane season?

Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 4:24 PM GMT en Mayo 27, 2011

The Atlantic hurricane season officially begin on Wednesday, June 1, and recent computer model runs predict that we may have some early-season action in the Central Caribbean Sea to coincide with the start of this year's season. The GFS, NOGAPS, and ECMWF models have all indicated in some of their recent runs that a tropical disturbance may form between Jamaica and Central America sometime in the May 31 - June 2 time frame, as a lobe of the Eastern Pacific Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ) pushes across Central America into the Caribbean. Up until now, wind shear has been too high to allow tropical storm formation in the Caribbean, due to the presence of the Subtropical Jet Stream. However, this jet is expected to push northwards over Cuba over the coming week, allowing a region of low wind shear to develop over most of the Caribbean. Water temperatures in the Central Caribbean are about 1°C above average, 29°C, which is plenty warm enough to support development of a tropical storm. The main impediment to development will probably be lack of spin, as we don't have any African tropical waves that are expected to enter the Caribbean Sea next week, to help get things spinning. Stay tuned.

Figure 1. Satellite image of Typhoon Songda.

Typhoon Songda heads for Okinawa and Japan
Typhoon Songda brushed the Philippines yesterday, bringing heavy rains that killed at least two people. Fortunately, the brunt of this year's first Category 5 storm missed the islands, and Songda has weakened slightly to a Category 4 storm with 145 mph winds. Songda is turning northwards and will threaten the island of Okinawa on Saturday. Sea surface temperatures decline rapidly north of the Philippines, and Songda is expected to weaken significantly before reaching Okinawa, where sea surface temperatures are approximately 26°C. Wind shear will also increase to high levels by Saturday, and Songda should be at most a Category 2 typhoon by the time it reaches Okinawa. On Sunday,

Invest now for better tornado warnings
National Weather Service forecasters issued a tornado warning 24 minutes in advance of the Joplin, Missouri tornado this.week, which is now being blamed for at least 132 deaths--the deadliest U.S. tornado since at least 1947. However, we can do better, and the National Weather Service Employees Organization (NWSEO) put out a press release on May 23, arguing that investments in weather service forecasting technology are needed to reduce loss of life in future violent tornadoes:

"The 24-minute lead time is a great improvement over the average lead time of 13 minutes for tornado warnings. The meteorologists in the Springfield Weather Forecast Office are commended for their lifesaving work," said Dan Sobien, NWSEO President. "But in our age of advanced technology and communication, when new radars and modeling opportunities exist that can provide more lead time to get people out of the path of a storm, hundreds of people do not have to die because of a tornado event."

Sobien says the Joplin and Tuscaloosa tornadoes are examples of how the government's neglect to invest in NWS related infrastructure over the last 10 to 15 years has failed to provide the tools necessary to protect lives and property. He says that the tools forecasters use to issue tornado warnings are woefully inadequate and that the technology exists to provide lead times so far in advance of the storm that it would make the need for tornado warnings as we know them obsolete. "The much touted Doppler Weather Radar, also known as the Weather Service Radar or WSR-88D, was developed in 1988. Since that time, technological advances, including phased array radars developed by the Department of Defense, have been shown to increase the current lead time on tornado warnings by almost 50 percent."

"The much touted Warn on Forecast process utilizes Meso-scale modeling and has the potential to let forecasters know hours in advance where a thunderstorm would form and if it is likely to contain strong winds, hail, or even a tornado. With adequate staffing, local National Weather Service forecasters who understand local terrain and the model output, could be embedded with emergency managers and decision makers. In the event of a storm, the forecaster could provide emergency managers with the tornado track with some margin of error and people in the way of the storm could be evacuated hours before the tornado hits. This technology is being developed and tested right now, however without funding it will never be available."

"The art and science of severe weather warnings made considerable progress during the 1980s and 90s, going from almost zero lead time to average of about 13 minutes for tornado warnings. However, in recent years, that progress has stalled, even while the technological advancements have accelerated. If the country made the type of investment in the National Weather Service that it did in the 1980s, scenes like the ones in Missouri this week and in Alabama and Mississippi last month could be a thing of the past."

"I am very proud of my co-workers at the National Weather Service this tornado season. They saved many lives and having been there myself, I can assure you, they feel personally about every lost life," said Sobien. "I know that budgets are tight and there are many priorities, but if you put investing in the National Weather Service up to a vote today in tornado alley, I think the approval would be a landslide."

I wholeheartedly agree with this view--investments in better tornado forecasts and tornado observing technology will potentially give us a huge return in lives saved. Have a great holiday weekend, everyone, and I'll be back Monday or Tuesday with a new post.

Jeff Masters

Tornado Power (Betty2)

Sunday, LaCrosse, WI a tornado hit. This is a photo of a 2x4 board that slammed through a tire.. and, freaky, but it left the air in the tire! Photo was taken by my neighbor, Lori Hines, Gays Mills WI.

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May 25, 2011 at 7:10pm. Picture taken from Bartlett (Shelby County) TN.

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2151. bappit 11:54 PM GMT en Mayo 30, 2011
I suspect Harold Camping found the response to his predictions gratifying in other than monetary ways. At his age I'm not sure what good the money is anyway. Member Since: Mayo 18, 2006 Posts: 5 Comments: 4423

2152. MrstormX 11:55 PM GMT en Mayo 30, 2011
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2153. tropicfreak 12:02 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting bappit: I suspect Harold Camping found the response to his predictions gratifying in other than monetary ways. At his age I'm not sure what good the money is anyway. LOL! Member Since: Septiembre 2, 2006 Posts: 110 Comments: 6612

2154. emcf30 12:03 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
2 Tornadoes on the ground Holt County Neb. Member Since: Agosto 7, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 1926

2155. sunlinepr 12:03 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting Chucktown: One thing to remember with these tropical systems or really all weather in general, thuderstorms never "try" to form or rain doesn't "try" to develop - there is no human characteristic to weather, its not alive. The system we are watching in Caribbean is not biased whether to develop or not. It is simply reacting to the fluid atmosphere around it. Just something I was taught early in my meteorological career. Your comment is a very interesting subject and it can be analysed in many directions. This is the way I relate it... For decades, superpowers have made experiments involving "weather manipulation", like in Vietnam, the Caribbean. Russians and Chinese have also experimented. I find that subject quite interesting, although many of those studies are classified... Member Since: Agosto 2, 2010 Posts: 19 Comments: 8466

2156. kmanislander 12:10 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Good evening The TUTT that runs from the ULL near 30N 50W to the ULL near 25N and 80W is a killer for anything trying to develop in the Caribbean right now. You can see it by running this WV Loop and selecting both the lat. and long. as well as the high level winds by checking the relevant boxes. The ULL over the Northern Bahamas/S. Fla is retrograding to the West and this is allowing the moisture to lift farther N in the NW Caribbean, albeit slowly. This lifting of the moisture must precede the slackening of the shear. Once the moisture stream makes it NW to the Yucatan channel there will be a better chance for development as this should coincide with a significant drop in shear in the SW Caribbean. Probably another 24 hours IMO. Member Since: Agosto 19, 2006 Posts: 0 Comments: 14988

2157. emcf30 12:13 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
This would hurt 2217 400 3 ESE ATKINSON HOLT NE 4252 9892 NEARLY GRAPEFRUIT SIZE HAIL SIZE MEASURED BY STORM CHASER. ACTUAL DIAMETER OF STONE WAS 3.5 INCHES. (LBF) Member Since: Agosto 7, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 1926

2158. sunlinepr 12:13 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
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2159. PlazaRed 12:13 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Thinking on:- 2155. sunlinepr Maybe substituting 'Trying, to Form,' with 'Tending to Form,' Might be a better way the general public could understand what is going on. Interesting to think of the kind of power needed to humanly change a weather system, or maybe it could be as simple as the little rudder moving a big ship if done in the right way? Member Since: Enero 21, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 1452

2160. xcool 12:15 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 59W S OF 12N MOVING W NEAR 15 KT. THIS IS A LOW AMPLITUDE TROPICAL WAVE THAT WAVE FORMERLY CARRIED AS A SURFACE TROUGH. IT HAS BEEN TRACKED BACK TO WEST AFRICA...AND IS NOW APPROACHING TRINIDAD AND VENEZUELA. ISOLATED MODERATE CONVECTION IS FROM 4N-12N BETWEEN 56W-62W. Member Since: Septiembre 26, 2009 Posts: 2 Comments: 15526

2161. sunlinepr 12:20 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting PlazaRed: Thinking on:- 2155. sunlinepr Maybe substituting 'Trying, to Form,' with 'Tending to Form,' Might be a better way the general public could understand what is going on. Interesting to think of the kind of power needed to humanly change a weather system, or maybe it could be as simple as the little rudder moving a big ship if done in the right way? Very interesting your point.. "the kind of power needed to humanly change a weather system". The only way we could humanly do it, it to interact, seed or affect, ahead of time, what would become a major system in the future, hoping to acquire the desired results. That's what the US made in Vietnam in the Ho Chi Minh trail, seeding with Silver Iodide the clouds... "Project Popeye was an attempt to indefinitely extend the rainy monsoon weather over southeastern Laos by cloud seeding. Testing on the project began in September above the Kong River watershed that ran through the Steel Tiger and Tiger Hound areas. Clouds were seeded by air with silver iodide smoke and then activated by launching a fuse fired from a flare pistol. 56 tests were conducted by October and 85 percent were judged to be successful. President Johnson then gave authorization for the program, which lasted until July 1972". Member Since: Agosto 2, 2010 Posts: 19 Comments: 8466

2162. kmanislander 12:20 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
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2163. charlottefl 12:22 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
72 Dbz at 18000 feet. You know that's producing some good sized hail: WWUS53 KFSD 310010 SVSFSD SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SIOUX FALLS SD 710 PM CDT MON MAY 30 2011 SDC009-023-043-067-310045- /O.CON.KFSD.SV.W.0102.000000T0000Z-110531T0045Z/ HUTCHINSON SD-DOUGLAS SD-CHARLES MIX SD-BON HOMME SD- 710 PM CDT MON MAY 30 2011 ...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR BON HOMME... SOUTHEASTERN CHARLES MIX...EASTERN DOUGLAS AND WESTERN HUTCHINSON COUNTIES UNTIL 745 PM CDT... AT 710 PM CDT...A LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WAS REPORTED... PRODUCING LARGE DESTRUCTIVE HAIL UP TO TENNIS BALL SIZE...AND DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 80 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM 8 MILES NORTHEAST OF CORSICA TO DANTE... MOVING EAST AT 45 MPH. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR... AVON AND DELMONT AROUND 715 PM CDT... TYNDALL...TRIPP...SPRINGFIELD AND PARKSTON AROUND 725 PM CDT... TABOR AND SCOTLAND AROUND 740 PM CDT... CLAYTON AROUND 745 PM CDT... THE STRONGEST PORTION OF THIS STORM IS HEADING DIRECTLY TOWARDS DELMONT. OTHER LOCATIONS IMPACTED BY THIS LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS INCLUDE OLIVET. Member Since: Diciembre 18, 2006 Posts: 7 Comments: 2685

2164. weathermanwannabe 12:24 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
I don't know how to post an active link but this FSU Met page updates the latest runs of most of the major models cmc ecmwf-ensmean ecmwf-oper gfdl gfs hwrf ngp on one nice page to access: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs/ Member Since: Agosto 8, 2006 Posts: 0 Comments: 6857

2165. PlazaRed 12:30 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
On the 'messing with weather {front} so to speak/think. I would hazard a guess that sunlight shielding, if it could be achieved would be a good track to go down, a bit difficult to imagine how but you don't need much fog or smoke to block out a lot of light/heat and so might be able to cause a system to be 'steered.' Chemical seeding is difficult and expensive large scale. Member Since: Enero 21, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 1452

2166. Skyepony (Mod) 12:31 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Uganda~ About 40 houses had their roofs blown off and hundreds of acres of crops destroyed when a hailstorm hit Namutumba District. The two-hour hailstorm on Thursday hit 20 villages including Isegero A and B, Ndikitwamaila, Namukoge, Busene, Nabikenge, Bakudumira, Nawampiti, Kibaale and Kivule. Domestic animals and birds were also killed. Eight hours after the downpour, ice blocks were still visible on the ground. In Nsinze Sub-county, several plantations under the Naads programme were destroyed. Mr Richard Kayingo, the sub-county NAADS coordinator, while touring the plantations, said the government should provide relief aid, including seeds, to farmers. “This is horrible. It is a total destruction and there is no hope for farmers to have any harvest this season,” he said. Most of the crops were left with two months to mature but farmers’ hope of a fruitful harvest has been dashed.“We have nothing to do right now. We don’t have seeds. The affected families should be given food aid for three months as they wait for the new season,” Mr Kayingo said. Residents have also appealed to non-governmental organisations to come to their aid. ‘No mangoes for lunch’ "My family has been depending on mangoes for lunch and breakfast. We have been eating food only at supper. But now that the hailstorms have destroyed the mangoes, I don’t know how my family of 15 will survive,” said Moses Nabongo of Isegero village. The area councillor, Mr George Damba, asked government to provide temporary shelter to the affected families. The Chief Administrative Officer, Mr David Kawoya, said he has set up a team to assess the magnitude of the damage. “I have set up a team led by the district agriculture officer to establish the actual number of people affected and the acreage of the plantations destroyed so that we forward the report to the ministry of disaster preparedness for redress,” he said. Two people sustained serious injuries when a building collapsed on them during the downpour and were admitted to Nsinze Health Centre IV. Member Since: Agosto 10, 2005 Posts: 145 Comments: 29957

2167. zoomiami 12:34 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting kmanislander: Good evening The TUTT that runs from the ULL near 30N 50W to the ULL near 25N and 80W is a killer for anything trying to develop in the Caribbean right now. You can see it by running this WV Loop and selecting both the lat. and long. as well as the high level winds by checking the relevant boxes. The ULL over the Northern Bahamas/S. Fla is retrograding to the West and this is allowing the moisture to lift farther N in the NW Caribbean, albeit slowly. This lifting of the moisture must precede the slackening of the shear. Once the moisture stream makes it NW to the Yucatan channel there will be a better chance for development as this should coincide with a significant drop in shear in the SW Caribbean. Probably another 24 hours IMO. almost as bad as lawyer talk! Member Since: Agosto 13, 2007 Posts: 10 Comments: 4071

2168. TomTaylor 12:35 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting weathermanwannabe: I don't know how to post an active link but this FSU Met page updates the latest runs of most of the major models cmc ecmwf-ensmean ecmwf-oper gfdl gfs hwrf ngp on one nice page to access: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs/ to create an active link simply click the "link" button just above the text box you write the post in and insert the link you want into the pop up that shows up. Also, the link you posted has ukmet model runs as well, however they're not located directly on the site. To access the ukmet model runs you have to add "ukm" to the end of the url as shown below http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs/ukm Here's the active Link Member Since: Agosto 24, 2010 Posts: 18 Comments: 4053

2169. xcool 12:35 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
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2170. FrankZapper 12:36 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting sunlinepr: Your comment is a very interesting subject and it can be analysed in many directions. This is the way I relate it... For decades, superpowers have made experiments involving "weather manipulation", like in Vietnam, the Caribbean. Russians and Chinese have also experimented. I find that subject quite interesting, although many of those studies are classified... I predict that one day man WILL be able to control the weather. Once we understand and master gravity at a level similar to our mastery of the electromagnetic force, we will be able to move around weather systems at will.Ongoing research at CERN will unlock these secrets in the near future. We may choose to use this knowledge to develop StarSaucers to discover and populate worlds with climates that might provide for a Utopian existence. Hopefully we will not abandon Earth, but like an inner city with its problems I feel we will choose to expand out to the suburbs and neglect Earth until future generations "rediscover" it. Irregardless we will not be held hostage to weather and climate as we are today. Member Since: Mayo 26, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 1193

2171. xcool 12:37 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
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2172. PSLFLCaneVet 12:39 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
- Theodosia Pickering Garrison A handful of old men walking down the village street In worn, brushed uniforms, their gray heads high; A faded flag above them, one drum to lift their feet- Look again, O heart of mine, and see what passes by! There's a vast crowd swaying, there's a wild band playing, The streets are full of marching men, or tramping cavalry. Alive and young and straight again, they ride to greet a mate again- The gallant souls, the great souls that live eternally! A handful of old men walking down the highways? Nay, we look on heroes that march among their peers, The great, glad Companions have swung from heaven's byways And come to join their own again across the dusty years. There are strong hands meeting, there are staunch hearts greeting- A crying of remembered names, of deeds that shall not die. A handful of old men?-Nay, my heart, look well again; The spirit of America today is marching by! Thank you Veterans, past, present and future!! Member Since: Julio 23, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 12406

2173. xcool 12:41 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
HPC Final Update: AS A MID TO UPPER LEVEL LOW RETROGRADES TO SOME DEGREE ACROSS THE GULF OF MEXICO UNDER THE MIDWESTERN/MID SOUTH RIDGE...THE DETERMINISTIC AND ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE ALL AGREE ON A CONVECTIVE LOW PRESSURE AREA FORMING NORTH OF PANAMA WHICH SLOWLY LIFTS NORTHWARD NEAR THE 80TH MERIDIAN WITH TIME. CONVECTIVE LOW DEVELOPMENT IN THE WESTERN CARIBBEAN SHOULD BE A SLOW PROCESS CONSIDERING THE LARGE UPPER LOW RETROGRADING TO ITS NORTHWEST CAUSING VERTICAL WIND SHEAR EARLY ON WITH A SUBSEQUENT SLOW EXPANSION OF THE UPPER HIGH WESTWARD FROM THE EASTERN AND CENTRAL CARIBBEAN ANTICIPATED. THE SYSTEM ALSO APPEARS TO BE OF FAIRLY LARGE SIZE PER THE GUIDANCE. THE POINTS FOR THIS LOW WERE COORDINATED WITH NHC AT 17Z. Member Since: Septiembre 26, 2009 Posts: 2 Comments: 15526

2174. sunlinepr 12:42 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
China's Weather Manipulation Brings Crippling Snowstorm to Beijing By Clay Dillow Posted 11.11.2009 at 7:08 pm In The People's Republic of China, it's no secret that the Party controls just about everything. But as Beijing suffers through its second major snowstorm this season, residents are growing weary of their leadership's control-freak tendencies. After all, while the storm came as a surprise to residents, the government knew about it all along. In fact, the government caused it. China has long tinkered with Mother Nature's waterworks, even establishing a state organ -- the Beijing Weather Modification Office -- whose sole purpose is to meddle with the weather. The purpose behind weather modification is less megalomaniacal than it sounds at first pass; a large swath of northeast China, including Beijing, has been mired in a drought for nearly a decade, and the party leadership would like to reverse that trend for both practical reasons and to show the Chinese people exactly who is in charge. To do so, they've turned to cloud seeding, a controversial practice that involves launching (or dropping) chemicals into the atmosphere -- silver iodide in China, though dry ice and liquid propane also work -- that cause water vapor in the air to crystallize at temperatures it otherwise would not. Its effectiveness is dubious; while it's generally accepted that it works to some degree, it can only increase precipitation by 20 percent. Sometimes.... . http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-11/chi nas-weather-manipulation-brings-crippling-snowstor m-beijing Now, can we Imagine, if this is a technique that was used in the 1960's, what will be the Actual experiment? Member Since: Agosto 2, 2010 Posts: 19 Comments: 8466

2175. weathermanwannabe 12:43 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
2168. TomTaylor 8:35 PM EDT on May 30, 2011 Thank You TT...... Member Since: Agosto 8, 2006 Posts: 0 Comments: 6857

2176. Bitmap7 12:44 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
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2177. stormwatcherCI 12:44 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
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2178. Hurricanes101 12:48 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
I think we are on the verge of getting an invest..... In the WPAC Member Since: Marzo 10, 2010 Posts: 1 Comments: 6930

2179. TomTaylor 12:50 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting weathermanwannabe: 2168. TomTaylor 8:35 PM EDT on May 30, 2011 Thank You TT...... no problem Member Since: Agosto 24, 2010 Posts: 18 Comments: 4053

2180. PlazaRed 12:55 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
The main problem I see in tampering with the weather systems to create rain/snow is that there has to be moisture there in the first place. I think steering systems is the first concern that has to be overcome and by altering the surface/air temperature this can possibly affect the natural directions of the moist systems. As far as I can grasp from some of you learned persons this is what the atmosphere does naturally, until possibly recently with the introduction of 'pollution factor.' Member Since: Enero 21, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 1452

2181. Bitmap7 12:55 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
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2182. Bitmap7 12:56 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting Bitmap7: Member Since: Mayo 4, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 429

2183. FrankZapper 12:58 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting sunlinepr: China's Weather Manipulation Brings Crippling Snowstorm to Beijing By Clay Dillow Posted 11.11.2009 at 7:08 pm In The People's Republic of China, it's no secret that the Party controls just about everything. But as Beijing suffers through its second major snowstorm this season, residents are growing weary of their leadership's control-freak tendencies. After all, while the storm came as a surprise to residents, the government knew about it all along. In fact, the government caused it. China has long tinkered with Mother Nature's waterworks, even establishing a state organ -- the Beijing Weather Modification Office -- whose sole purpose is to meddle with the weather. The purpose behind weather modification is less megalomaniacal than it sounds at first pass; a large swath of northeast China, including Beijing, has been mired in a drought for nearly a decade, and the party leadership would like to reverse that trend for both practical reasons and to show the Chinese people exactly who is in charge. To do so, they've turned to cloud seeding, a controversial practice that involves launching (or dropping) chemicals into the atmosphere -- silver iodide in China, though dry ice and liquid propane also work -- that cause water vapor in the air to crystallize at temperatures it otherwise would not. Its effectiveness is dubious; while it's generally accepted that it works to some degree, it can only increase precipitation by 20 percent. Sometimes.... . http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-11/chi nas-weather-manipulation-brings-crippling-snowstor m-beijing Now, can we Imagine, if this is a technique that was used in the 1960's, what will be the Actual experiment? I commend and encourage the Chinese to continue their experiments. They may fail at first, but will unlock the secrets of meteromanipulation some day. Member Since: Mayo 26, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 1193

2184. TaylorSelseth 1:03 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Ah crap, we're gonna get nailed! Member Since: Agosto 29, 2008 Posts: 0 Comments: 324

2186. Hurricanes101 1:07 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting FrankZapper: I commend and encourage the Chinese to continue their experiments. They may fail at first, but will unlock the secrets of meteromanipulation some day. I would hate for this to succeed to be honest, mother nature would react in a way none of us has seen before if you try this and succeed. With the shape this world is in, countries would use this to send bad weather to other countries; it would also ruin the profession of meteorology altogether IMO. If man could completely control the weather, would there really be need for a job where someone tells you what is forecast? Not to mention that failures can cost lives. Member Since: Marzo 10, 2010 Posts: 1 Comments: 6930

2187. TomTaylor 1:08 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting Hurricanes101: I would hate for this to succeed to be honest With the shape this world is in, countries would use this to send bad weather to other countries; it would also ruin the profession of meteorology altogether IMO. If man could completely control the weather, would there really be need for a job where someone tells you what is forecast? agreed. Member Since: Agosto 24, 2010 Posts: 18 Comments: 4053

2188. Bitmap7 1:10 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting Hurricanes101: I would hate for this to succeed to be honest With the shape this world is in, countries would use this to send bad weather to other countries; it would also ruin the profession of meteorology altogether IMO. If man could completely control the weather, would there really be need for a job where someone tells you what is forecast? Think of what the accumulation of those chemicals in the atmosphere could do. The effect it will have on health, the ozone layer and what if it begins to change the global climate on a whole. We could find ourselves with intense droughts. Member Since: Mayo 4, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 429

2189. Hurricanes101 1:10 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting TomTaylor: agreed. we already have an example of it coming back to bite us, remember that storm in the 60s that was going out to sea? They decided to go and seed it; what happened? It didn't weaken the storm and the storm took a sharp turn back towards land. In a world where we truly do not understand all that is involved in creating weather; trying to alter is a very dangerous idea. Member Since: Marzo 10, 2010 Posts: 1 Comments: 6930

2190. sunlinepr 1:12 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting Hurricanes101: I would hate for this to succeed to be honest With the shape this world is in, countries would use this to send bad weather to other countries; it would also ruin the profession of meteorology altogether IMO. If man could completely control the weather, would there really be need for a job where someone tells you what is forecast? Not to mention that failures can cost lives. True, it's a bad idea... But the quest for weather control began long ago and it is a MUST for every superpower to sustain a weather manipulation program as part of their national defense system.... Member Since: Agosto 2, 2010 Posts: 19 Comments: 8466

2191. wpb 1:12 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
great day in se fla. however rain is lacking and lake o is near the danger level. rainy season please begin.models are making us wait though............ Member Since: Mayo 28, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 500

2193. Hurricanes101 1:13 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting sunlinepr: True, it's a bad idea... But the quest for weather control began long ago and it is a MUST for every superpower to sustain a weather manipulation program as part of their national defense system.... maybe countries should stop focusing on how to control the weather and start protecting themselves form other countries. Member Since: Marzo 10, 2010 Posts: 1 Comments: 6930

2194. FrankZapper 1:16 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting Hurricanes101: I would hate for this to succeed to be honest With the shape this world is in, countries would use this to send bad weather to other countries; it would also ruin the profession of meteorology altogether IMO. If man could completely control the weather, would there really be need for a job where someone tells you what is forecast? Of course the UN would have to establish an "Office of Meteoromanipulation" where Meteorology Ambassadors from each country would debate the actions of each country and pass out sanctions if for instance Cuba sent a hurricane to the USA. Member Since: Mayo 26, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 1193

2195. TomTaylor 1:17 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting Hurricanes101: maybe countries should stop focusing on how to control the weather and start protecting themselves form other countries. trust me, they do. Member Since: Agosto 24, 2010 Posts: 18 Comments: 4053

2196. Hurricanes101 1:18 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting FrankZapper: Of course the UN would have to establish an "Office of Meteoromanipulation" where Meteorology Ambassadors from each country would debate the actions of each country and pass out sanctions if for instance Cuba sent a hurricane to the USA. Sounds like a stupid Sci-Fi movie; the idea sound so far-fetched and stupid Again you mess with mother nature, she will bite you back Member Since: Marzo 10, 2010 Posts: 1 Comments: 6930

2197. Bitmap7 1:18 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
And in SPACE Weather "There is a very active area on the sun as rotated onto the invisible solar disc. This active area has got the potential for more flaring for the next five to six days," space weather forecaster Kobus Olckers of the Space Weather Warning Centre at the Hermanus Magnetic Observatory told News24. He said that communications and electronic systems might be affected. "The internet could be a little slower for the next week or so and especially long distance communications." That active area isn't in a geo-effective position at the moment. It will be in an active area in about five to six days from now," said Olckers. "We will keep you posted and see how it develops. It's rapidly developing at the moment but it can get into a non-threatening format over the next few days," he added. He said that people need not take any special precautions. "The levels of X-rays aren't enough to really affect biological systems. This time around its technological systems." Link Member Since: Mayo 4, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 429

2198. Hurricanes101 1:18 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
Quoting TomTaylor: trust me, they do. I know but look how much money is spent on projects like this, that could be used elsewhere Member Since: Marzo 10, 2010 Posts: 1 Comments: 6930

2199. Hurricanes101 1:19 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
anyway back to the tropics; as I said before I think we will have another invest in the WPAC soon Member Since: Marzo 10, 2010 Posts: 1 Comments: 6930

2201. sunlinepr 1:20 AM GMT en Mayo 31, 2011
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