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Igor turns west-northwest; Julia a hurricane; 92L growing more organized
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:49 PM GMT en Septiembre 14, 2010 +3
Hurricane Igor remains an impressive Category 4 hurricane with 135 mph winds over the Central Atlantic. Though Igor's winds are 15 mph weaker than at its 150 mph peak yesterday, the hurricane continues to maintain the classic appearance of a major hurricane on satellite imagery, with a well-formed eye, plenty of low-level spiral bands, and solid upper-level outflow to the north and south.


Figure 1. Hurricane Igor as seen by the MODIS instrument on NASA's Aqua satellite at 12:40 pm EDT Monday, September 13, 2010. Image credit: NASA.

Intensity forecast for Igor
Wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots, and is expected to remain low for the next 3 - 4 days. Waters are warm, 28.7°C, and will warm to 29°C by Wednesday. Igor has moistened its environment enough to keep the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) at bay. These conditions should allow Igor to remain at major hurricane status for the next 3 - 4 days. The hurricane will probably undergo one of the usual eyewall replacement cycles intense hurricanes commonly have, where the eyewall collapses and a new eyewall forms from an outer spiral band. This will weaken the hurricane by 10 - 20 mph when it occurs, and may be responsible for the 15 mph weakening Igor experienced since yesterday. Igor will probably regain its lost intensity when the cycle completes in the 12 - 36 hours. By Saturday, when Igor should be nearing Bermuda, the trough of low pressure steering Igor northwestwards should bring moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots to the storm, weakening it. Igor will also be tracking over cooler 28°C waters then.

Track forecast for Igor
The track forecast for Igor remains unchanged. Igor has made its long-anticipated turn to the west-northwest, in response to the steering influence of a broad trough of low pressure moving across the Western Atlantic. This trough will steer Igor several hundred miles to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles, and high waves should be the only impact of Igor on the islands. In the longer range, Igor appears likely to be a threat to Bermuda, and that island can expect tropical storm force winds as early as Friday. Igor does have a small chance of making landfall on the U.S. East Coast or Canada. Climatology shows that about 20% of all tropical cyclones that have existed at Igor's current position have gone on to hit the U.S. East Coast; these odds are about 5 - 10% for Bermuda and 15% for Canada. The forecast steering current pattern for the period 5 - 10 days from now from the ECMWF and GFS models shows several modest troughs of low pressure moving across the Western Atlantic. These troughs will probably be strong enough to recurve Igor out sea. However, 5 - 10 day forecasts are prone to large errors, and it is too early to be highly confident that Igor will miss hitting the U.S. or Canadian coasts.

Wave forecast for Igor
Large swells from Igor have arrived in the Northern Lesser Antilles Islands, and will spread westwards over the next few days, reaching the U.S. East Coast on Friday. By Saturday, much of the East Coast from northern Florida to Cape Cod Massachusetts can expect waves of 3 - 4 meters (10 - 13 feet), causing dangerous rip currents and significant beach erosion. These waves will continue through Sunday then gradually die down. The latest NOAA marine forecast for Cape Hatteras, North Carolina calls for 8 - 11 foot waves on Saturday.


Figure 3. Forecast wave heights for 2pm EDT Saturday September 18, 2010, as predicted by 00 UTC 9/14/2010 run of NOAA's Wavewatch III model.

Caribbean disturbance 92L
Tropical disturbance 92L over the Western Caribbean, between Jamaica and the Yucatan Peninsula, has become more organized this morning. The storm remains a threat to develop into a tropical depression, but time is running out for it to do so. There is no evidence of a surface circulation on satellite loops this morning, but the cloud pattern of 92L has become more circular, with low-level spiral bands developing on the west and north sides of the storm. 92L has a moderate but increasing area of intense thunderstorms; these are bringing heavy rains to Jamaica, the Cayman Islands, and western Cuba this morning.


Figure 3. Morning satellite image of 92L.

Forecast for 92L
Rains from 92L will spread over Belize, Northern Guatemala, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula tonight through Wednesday, bringing peak accumulations in the 4 - 8 inch range. Lesser peak amounts of 2 - 4 inches are possible over northern Honduras. Wind shear over 92L is low, 5 - 10 knots, and is expected to remain low for the next five days. The waters beneath are hot, 29.7°C, and these warm waters extend to great depth. Water vapor satellite loops show a large area of dry air lies to the north and west of 92L; this dry air has been interfering with development of 92L, and will continue to do so. NHC is putting the odds of 92L developing into a tropical depression by Thursday at 40%; I'll give it a 50% chance. Given the current disorganized state of 92L, it would be difficult for it to intensify quickly enough to become any stronger than a tropical storm with 50 mph winds by Wednesday afternoon, when it will move over Belize and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. Once 92L crosses the Yucatan, the ridge of high pressure steering it is expected to remain in place, forcing 92L west or west-southwest to a second landfall in Mexico between Veracruz and Poza Rica early Saturday morning. The shape of Mexico's Bay of Campeche and the topography of the mountains surrounding the Bay help air spiral in a counterclockwise fashion, aiding tropical storm development, and 92L has its best chance of development once it crosses into the Bay of Campeche. With the shear there expected to be low and the waters warm, I give a high 70% chance that 92L will be a tropical depression or tropical storm in the Bay of Campeche. The GFDL model is predicting 92L could be a hurricane at landfall near Veracruz on Saturday morning; the other intensity models are much less aggressive. Given the rapid development of Hermine in a similar location last week, residents of the Mexican Gulf Coast should be wary of the possibility that 92L could intensify into at least a strong tropical storm before making landfall Friday night or Saturday morning. A Hurricane Hunter aircraft is scheduled to investigate 92L this afternoon.

Julia
Hurricane Julia is headed northwest, out to sea, and it is unlikely that this storm will trouble any land areas. The intensification of Julia into a hurricane brings our activity tally for the 2010 Atlantic hurricane season to 10 named storms, 5 hurricanes, and 3 intense hurricanes. An average season has 10 named storms, 6 hurricanes, and 2 intense hurricanes, so we've already had a full season's worth of activity, with about 45% of the season still to come.

Shear will be low to moderate, 5 - 20 knots, over Julia during the next two days. Shear will rise sharply to 30 knots 3 - 5 days from now, as Julia moves within 1000 miles of Igor and begins to experience strong northwesterly winds from her big brother's upper level outflow. Julia does have a window of opportunity today and Wednesday to intensify into a Category 2 hurricane before the shear rises.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The GFS and ECMWF models are suggesting the possibility of a new tropical depression forming a few hundred miles off the coast of Africa about seven days from now.

"Hurricane Haven" airing this afternoon
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Next post
I'll have a new post on Wednesday morning.

Jeff Masters
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2351. extreme236 2:01 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting LongBeachNY:



Remember no recons, NHC super conservative.

E. stays at 145.


Um no. They believe in the satellite estimates, and there is NO data to support that low of an intensity. None at all.
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2352. amd 2:01 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting 1900hurricane:

For some reason, I don't have the latest frame yet.


I'm having a hard time telling if the EWRC is ending, or is it beginning. It looks like there was a little bit of slightly drier air (probably due to a temporary collapse of the eye wall) that tried to wrap into the system earlier, and could be the cause of the temporary weakening of convection on the northwest side. I'm not sure if this dry air would begin the EWRC, or would be mixed out and Igor will actually become a cat 5 later tonight.

Because, other than that little issue with convection, all systems seem to be a go for Igor to become a cat 5.

Also, looking at the latest GOES imagery, heavier convection is starting to fire near the center of Karl.
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2353. atmoaggie 2:01 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Satellite loops reveal that convection is firing over the NW semicircle...where dry air was eroding at previously. Dang, I love that SRSO.
filling back in. SRSO is cool, but note the timestamps. That's just RSO. 5 minute, not 1 minute.
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2355. HurricaneSwirl 2:02 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
The latest ATCF update put Igor at 135 kts or 155 mph so I think it's pretty much between 155 and 160, although I'm leaning 155.
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2357. hcubed 2:02 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting angiest:


1985 IIRC.


Sept 2, 85.

Was my first hurricane, too.

That year there were 11 named storms, 7 of which became hurricanes.

6 hurricanes, along with 2 TS hit the US, including Kate, a mid-November storm that hit Fla.

Season isn't over yet...
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2358. angiest 2:02 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Odds of Igor making his next TFP?
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2359. LongBeachNY 2:02 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
ATCF sayd 155mph, so that will be as low as they will likely go. I'm going a bit higher due to SAB's estimate.


It would be nice hes a beast.

Going to send the swell of the decade to the east coast late this weekend.

I can barley sit still, hopefully he cruises between Bermuda and Hatteras and doesn't kill anyone.
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2361. LongBeachNY 2:03 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting extreme236:


Um no. They believe in the satellite estimates, and there is NO data to support that low of an intensity. None at all.



See you at 11.
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2363. JLPR2 2:03 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
that's quite the wobble

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2364. SirCane 2:03 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Earl went much further West than the NHC originally predicted.

Looks like Igor is doing the same. He moved slightly WNW for a while. Not anymore..
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2366. leo305 2:04 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Igor is currently south and west of every single model run
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2367. FloatingCity 2:04 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting pilotguy1:
Floating City,
I certainly hope StormW gets back to you. He's usually pretty serious about this stuff.
Ya me too, and also the 300 people here onboard...
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2368. centex 2:04 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
It's just a wobble. But hold the barn door if keeps up for another hour.
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2369. angiest 2:05 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Funktop has a fair amount of green well away from the center. I take that to be some extremely heavy rain.
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2371. angiest 2:05 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting FloatingCity:
Ya me too, and also the 300 people here onboard...


Why aren't you being evac'd?
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2372. BahaHurican 2:05 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
point out how that's not remotely likely

See, this is how pple get into trouble. The "shooting off to hit the CONUS" scenario IS in fact remotely likely... it's just not VERY likely...

When people don't read and express clearly, that's when we start to get into problems.

Also, as a disclaimer: anybody who completely ignores the NHC and uses this blog as the sole arbiter of information on which to base life-changing decisions.... well,.... maybe needing some help..... Only person on this blog whose word I might just take "as is" is Doc Masters, and even HIM I compare w/ NHC.

I said it before the season "hotted up"... the CONCENSUS of views on this blog comes very close to rivalling the NHC on accuracy on a regular basis. The advantage one gets here is lead time.

[steps off soapbox, folds it, and puts it away in corner]

I'm out, ya'll. Have a good night! I'll see any early birds before 6 a.m.... lol
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2373. bwat 2:06 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
always be ready for the un-expected sometimes things change in but a blink of an eye
It is, Igor will track more westerly due to "pumping of the ridge" I am thinking this will pan out good and mean no CONUS, or Bermuda landfall. Most of the time I don't post "forecast" being a newb, but it seems to be playing out. If I'm wrong, wont be my first plate of crow!
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2374. Inactivity 2:06 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
I'm calling it a day.I think it will at least be 155 mph plus 2 Davork intensities of 7.0 increase the chance of 160 mph.
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2375. CosmicEvents 2:06 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting LongBeachNY:


It would be nice hes a beast.

Going to send the swell of the decade to the east coast late this weekend.

I can barley sit still, hopefully he cruises between Bermuda and Hatteras and doesn't kill anyone.
Hey...I rented a home in Long Beach close to Atlantic Beach for a few years back a few years. Like, um, 30 years. Beautiful spot. Great food.
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2376. 1900hurricane 2:06 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting amd:


I'm having a hard time telling if the EWRC is ending, or is it beginning. It looks like there was a little bit of slightly drier air (probably due to a temporary collapse of the eye wall) that tried to wrap into the system earlier, and could be the cause of the temporary weakening of convection on the northwest side. I'm not sure if this dry air would begin the EWRC, or would be mixed out and Igor will actually become a cat 5 later tonight.

Because, other than that little issue with convection, all systems seem to be a go for Igor to become a cat 5.

Also, looking at the latest GOES imagery, heavier convection is starting to fire near the center of Karl.

Well, judging by 85GHz imagery, and ERC has not ended since overnight, although it is possible one may begin, as there are several bands that could bridge over. However, the most recent convective burst in the weak NW quad is much tighter in, which is inconsistent with an ERC. I guess it's just a wait and see right now with the mixed signals.
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2377. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 2:07 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
011L/MH/I/C5
MARK
18.98N/53.75W
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2379. cajunkid 2:08 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Link

huh, didnt expect to see WSW
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2380. sunlinepr 2:08 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Overall WV Surroundings

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2381. Kowaliga 2:08 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    


...a "not so consensus".
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2382. angiest 2:08 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting pilotguy1:


Prolly because no one has yet predicted they are in danger.....you think?


Yeah absolutely no risk from a TC in the Gulf...
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2383. brainpimp 2:09 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting dracko19:
I wonder if he continues to grow in size and intensity if he will rebuff the weakness again like he was doing the last few days. Note that he didn't start to go North until he went through his weakening stage. Would that be "pumping the ridge" or "I don't need no stinkin' ridge, I'll go where I want to and you'll like it!"


Ridges? Ridges! I don't need no stinking Ridges.
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2385. CalTex 2:09 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting jason2010xxxx:
I AM WATCHING THE Floater - Visible Loop ITS LOOK LIKE ITS BEEN MOVING WEST FOR THE LAST FOUR HOURS.


I admit I'm very new at this, but a look at the water vapor loop shows that Igor is moving the dry air in front of him to the west, and this air is starting to get a slight southerly component to it (it was moving north this morning). I don't think this is a good sign, assuming that we want Igor to move north and out of the way.
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2386. dracko19 2:09 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
ADT 130kts 6.6 (Adj/Raw 6.8)


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2387. leo305 2:09 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting Kowaliga:


...a "not so consensus".


center SW of all those model runs
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2388. CosmicEvents 2:10 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
KOG....that's good shot. Really hasn't moved much North for 40 miles or so now. Let's just hope that it's a long step UP the stair.
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2389. RMM34667 2:10 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting pilotguy1:


Prolly because no one has yet predicted they are in danger.....you think?


I guess they are waiting on Storm to make the call.. Sounds real logical. Just like TropicalAmanda and the likes.
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2390. PensacolaDoug 2:10 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
I haven't looked at the Sat pics in a while but I see new concern from some of the posters here about Igor moving more westerly for the last 4 hours or so. That happens....but betting against the NHC's recurve idea is a sucker bet. It has had a left-of-track- bias from the get-go, just like Earl, but the TPC/NHC is real good at forecasting tracks once they have a solid center. Intensity forecast need a bunch more work.
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2392. weatherman566 2:11 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Looks like Igor is moving due west as of now. Not a surprise, especially since the NHC mentioned it earlier at the 5pm advisory:

IGOR MAY
BRIEFLY WOBBLE BACK TO THE WEST DURING THE NEXT SEVERAL HOURS...BUT THE GENERAL MOTION OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS SHOULD BE TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST...FOLLOWED BY A TURN TO THE NORTHWEST AFTER THAT THROUGH 72 HOURS.
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2393. atmoaggie 2:11 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting BahaHurican:
point out how that's not remotely likely

See, this is how pple get into trouble. The "shooting off to hit the CONUS" scenario IS in fact remotely likely... it's just not VERY likely...

When people don't read and express clearly, that's when we start to get into problems.

Also, as a disclaimer: anybody who completely ignores the NHC and uses this blog as the sole arbiter of information on which to base life-changing decisions.... well,.... maybe needing some help..... Only person on this blog whose word I might just take "as is" is Doc Masters, and even HIM I compare w/ NHC.

I said it before the season "hotted up"... the CONCENSUS of views on this blog comes very close to rivalling the NHC on accuracy on a regular basis. The advantage one gets here is lead time.

[steps off soapbox, folds it, and puts it away in corner]

I'm out, ya'll. Have a good night! I'll see any early birds before 6 a.m.... lol
Just how likely? Ignoring dynamics, for the moment, our historical records suggest a 20% chance. (Though, considering the dynamics, I'd say much less. Closer to 5%, JMO.)

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2394. Some1Has2BtheRookie 2:11 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting StormW:
Levi, I don't like this...look at the flow directly in front of him, and he isn't being tugged north.

LINK


StormW, I have been lurking here for the past 3 years and I think I see what you are seeing. I have learned from you, Levi32 and others on here. What I am seeing, with an untrained eye, is VERY scary.
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2395. Stoopid1 2:12 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Though satelitte supports 160 mph, the raw adt going down along with some recent warming along the northwestern eyewall suggest 150 mph. Western jog should only slightly change the track guidance slightly west.
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2396. amd 2:12 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting bwat:
It is, Igor will track more westerly due to "pumping of the ridge" I am thinking this will pan out good and mean no CONUS, or Bermuda landfall. Most of the time I don't post "forecast" being a newb, but it seems to be playing out. If I'm wrong, wont be my first plate of crow!


yep, "pumping the ridge" would probably lead to a somewhat stronger high downstream of Igor (the subtropical high). This is because the "heights" would rise as latent heat from Igor (and Julia) heads to the poles. So a slightly stronger subtropical high could lead to a recurve at 70 instead of 65 degrees west.

Here is some good imagery from CIMSS showing the current steerings for the strongest hurricanes (940-949mb, and <940 mb).

CIMSS steering for hurricanes between 940 and 950 mb

CIMSS steering for sub 940mb systems
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2397. hcubed 2:12 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting lahurrbuff:
Elana was in 1985...What a wierd track that one was!


Think that was weird?

That year, there was Hurricane Claudette. Formed off GA, and went EAST - threatened Azores.

Also, there was Hurricane Juan. Made TWO cyclonic loops off the LA coast. Two land falls, once as a hurricane, once as a TS.
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2398. PcolaDan 2:13 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting RMM34667:


I guess they are waiting on Storm to make the call.. Sounds real logical. Just like TropicalAmanda and the likes.


heeheehee
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2399. angiest 2:13 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
Quoting pilotguy1:


BOC?


Same difference. :) Just didn't want to use so many acronyms.
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2401. Thundercloud01221991 2:14 AM GMT en Septiembre 15, 2010    
I think they will go with 160 mph but not any higher... I also think that it may still strengthen some more as the eye contracts to a very small eye (dare I say pinhole) before EWRC
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