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Igor an impressive Cat 4; 92L running out of time to develop; Julia forms
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:47 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010 +6
There are few sights in the natural world more impressive than a hurricane near maximum intensity. Hurricane Igor certainly fits that description this morning, as it flirts with Category 5 strength in the Central Atlantic. Igor's rapid intensification burst brought the mighty hurricane's winds to 150 mph, just shy of the 156 mph threshold for Category 5 status. Igor is the strongest hurricane in the Atlantic in three years. The last hurricane stronger that Igor was Category 5 Hurricane Felix of 2007.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Igor.

Intensity forecast for Igor
Wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots, and is expected to remain low for the next four days. Waters are warm, 28.5°C, and will warm to 29°C by Wednesday. Igor has moistened its environment enough to keep the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) at bay. These conditions should allow Igor to remain at major hurricane status for the next four days. The hurricane will probably undergo one of the usual eyewall replacement cycles intense hurricanes commonly have, where the eyewall collapses and a new eyewall forms from an outer spiral band. This will weaken the hurricane by 10 - 20 mph when it occurs, but Igor will probably regain its lost intensity when the cycle completes. There's no evidence that an eyewall replacement cycle is imminent today, so Igor could potentially strengthen a bit more. However, I believe Igor has peaked, and will not reach Category 5 status today. By Saturday, when Igor should be nearing Bermuda, the trough of low pressure steering Igor northwestwards should bring moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots to the storm, weakening it.

Track forecast for Igor
The track forecast for Igor remains unchanged. Igor will move west under the influence of a strong ridge of high pressure until Tuesday morning, then turn more to the west-northwest then northwest in response to the steering influence of a broad trough of low pressure moving across the Western Atlantic on Tuesday and Wednesday. This should allow Igor to pass several hundred miles to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles. In the longer range, Igor appears likely to be a threat to Bermuda, and that island can expect tropical storm force winds as early as Friday. Igor does have a small chance of making landfall on the U.S. East Coast or Canada. Climatology shows that about 15% of all tropical cyclones that have existed at Igor's current position have gone on to hit the U.S. East Coast; these odds are about 10% for Bermuda and 10% for Canada. The forecast steering pattern for the period 5 - 10 days from now from the ECMWF and GFS models shows a continuation of the pattern we've seen all hurricane season, with regular strong troughs of low pressure moving off the U.S. East Coast. This pattern favors Igor eventually recurving out to sea without hitting the U.S. or Canada. While the trough expected to recurve Igor out to sea is not as sharp as the troughs that recurved Danielle, Earl, and Fiona, it should still be strong enough to keep Igor from hitting the U.S. However, Newfoundland, Canada could see a close pass. An examination of the tracks of the ten major September hurricanes that have passed closest to Igor's current location (Figure 2) reveals that one of these hurricanes went on to hit the Bahamas and Florida as a Category 2 storm, and another hit Newfoundland as a Category 1 storm. The other eight missed land. One wild card may be the intensification of Julia behind Igor. If Julia develops into a hurricane and moves close to Igor, as some of the models are suggesting, the two hurricanes could interact, affecting the track of Igor unpredictable ways. However, it currently appears the Julia will be much weaker than Igor, and will probably have little impact on her big brother's track.


Figure 2. Historical plot of the tracks of the ten major September hurricanes that have passed closest to Igor's current location.

Caribbean disturbance 92L
Tropical disturbance (92L) over the Central Caribbean, centered about 100 miles south of Jamaica, has changed little over the past day. The storm remains a threat to develop into a tropical depression, but time is running out for it to do so. Satellite loops this morning do not show a surface circulation, but 92L does have a moderate area of intense disorganized thunderstorms that are bringing heavy rain to Jamaica this morning. Kingston, Jamaica has picked up 0.67" of rain thus far this morning from 92L.


Figure 3. Morning satellite image of 92L.

Forecast for 92L
Wind shear over 92L is low, 5 - 10 knots, and is expected to remain low to moderate for the next five days. The waters beneath are hot, 29.8°C, and these warm waters extend to great depth. Water vapor satellite loops show a large area of dry air lies to the north and west of 92L, and this dry air has been interfering with development of 92L. NHC is putting the odds of 92L developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday at 40%. Given the current disorganized state of 92L, it would be difficult for it to intensify quickly enough to become any stronger than a tropical storm with 50 mph winds by Wednesday, when it will move over Belize and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. Once 92L crosses the Yucatan, the ridge of high pressure steering it is expected to remain in place, forcing 92L to a second landfall in Mexico several hundred miles south of the Texas border. A Hurricane Hunter aircraft is scheduled to investigate 92L this afternoon.

Julia
Tropical Storm Julia formed between the Cape Verdes Islands and coast of Africa yesterday, bringing some heavy rain squalls and gusty winds to the Cape Verdes, but no sustained winds of tropical storm force. Julia is headed northwest, out to sea, and it is unlikely that this storm will trouble any land areas . Shear is low enough over the next few days to allow Julia to become a hurricane, but shear will rise sharply 4 - 5 days from now, limiting the potential for Julia to become a major hurricane.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The NOGAPS model is calling for a new tropical depression to form off the coast of Africa 6 - 7 days from now.

Next post
I'll have a new post Tuesday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1751. TheDawnAwakening 9:21 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Sailing I did not say that ridge pumping has a tremendous effect on an intense hurricane, I don't anyone has said that, it is just a short term phenomenon.
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1753. dmaddox 9:21 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting sunlinepr:
For the past days 92L has gone to sleep during the night, will it repeat tonight?
yes IMO .. its a dud... zzzzzz nighty night :)
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1754. luigi18 9:21 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting Floodman:


You are a man of your word...


Do you think he will continue west? remember Earl almost cut us in Half and suppose to be a fish storm.
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1755. sailingallover 9:21 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting ElConando:


None.

great so we are due....
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1759. StormJunkie 9:22 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting G8GT:
Two "stupid" questions:

1. Why do the Wx gurus call it "re-curve" when a storm turns N/NE? Isn't it just a "curve"?

2. StormW..you've been right-on about Igor "pumping the ridge", and though I'm not blind, I just cannot see the weakness in the ridge the models are predicting. I mean, there's a 1012 high all the way across the ATL through the Ern seaboard and FL. Is that low enough to allow the polar drift of such a large storm to turn?

Just asking, and wondering...since Igor is still heading to the West!

Thanks from the guys in Pasco County, FL


Concur on point 1. It's just a curve ;)

As for point two, 1012 is not nearly enough to contain a monster like Igor.
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1760. dmaddox 9:22 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting P451:
Igor's Eye, from Modis Aqua, about 4 hours ago.

:) he's lookin at all of on the blog and laughing trying to guess what he is gonna do next!!!
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1761. TheDawnAwakening 9:22 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    


Igor's stadium effect eye, amazing. Look at that outflow.
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1762. Floodman 9:22 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting PintailKiller:


I do believe he was referring to the Atlantic proper and not in the Caribbean or the GOM.


In terms of the tropics, the Atlantic basin includes the GOM and the Carib...one must set the parameters or one receives too wide a response...

LOL
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1763. angiest 9:22 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting G8GT:
Two "stupid" questions:

1. Why do the Wx gurus call it "re-curve" when a storm turns N/NE? Isn't it just a "curve"?

2. StormW..you've been right-on about Igor "pumping the ridge", and though I'm not blind, I just cannot see the weakness in the ridge the models are predicting. I mean, there's a 1012 high all the way across the ATL through the Ern seaboard and FL. Is that low enough to allow the polar drift of such a large storm to turn?

Just asking, and wondering...since Igor is still heading to the West!

Thanks from the guys in Pasco County, FL


In the Atlantic (probably anywhere in the northern hemisphere but I will stick with home waters) a tropical system moves first east to west, then will curve to the north, and then recurve to the east. You might see the term recurving using to describe the entire processing of going first north then east.
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1764. Capeskies 9:23 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Does anyone know what Earl's highest winds were?
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1767. ElConando 9:24 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting Floodman:


Conando, the GOM and the Carib are considered the Atlantic basin...the naswer is (again, unless I missed one) 5


I was speaking in terms of the Open Atlantic. I am aware of all the others. I was pointing out the rarity of Cat 5's in the Open Atlantic.
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1768. dmaddox 9:24 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting TheDawnAwakening:


Igor's stadium effect eye, amazing. Look at that outflow.
sunset glint on the eastern eyewall! fantastic shot!
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1769. NOLALawyer 9:24 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
NOLALawyer -

I too like to read others skilled interpretations of the data and I certainly know that the NHC can and has been wrong in the past, but do you really think they gear their forcasts toward political interests? I'm curious what you meant by that because it just sounds soo, conspiracy theory. Not trying to be incendiary either, just genuinely wondering what you meant.


No, I don't mean they gear their forecasts towards political interests. However,I think the NHC is conservative quite often. I also do think there is a political element to it, but certainly not to the extent of a conspiracy to defraud the public from reliable information. They have the public's best interest in mind, and often panic control is an element of that best interest. However, I feel they do an excellent job..I just want to see other's opinions as well.
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1770. weathermancer 9:24 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting rmbjoe1954:
I think Storm believes Igor will eventually turn to the north but science is telling him it's not going to happen yet.


Maybe not the 2nd trough... but the 3rd over the prairies.
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1771. stormpetrol 9:24 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
some how I got a feeling that 92L will be a TD tonight even though it is on the low side with convection I still think it will plus I have seen worse look TD than this one so this is what I have to say

soon we get TD 13 30 mph possibly 35mph with 1005mb moving between WNW-NNW no joke this time
Just got a tweet from Jim Cantore, this is it word for word .Talking about Igor, Julia and Carib disturbance tonight on Weather Center. Fearing Carib disturbance the most even though it hasn't got a name (tweet from Jim Cantore) TWC
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1773. Hurricanes101 9:25 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting BDAwx:
There have been four Category 5 hurricanes in the Atlantic, that is not including the Caribbean or Gulf of Mexico, since 1950. Isabel, Andrew, Hugo, and Donna


you forgot Cleo in 1958 and Dog in 1950
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1774. dmaddox 9:25 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting P451:
MODIS Aqua Igor

Check alternate resolutions at left of page as well as IR channels.
thx
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1775. G8GT 9:25 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Thanks!

It must be a School House Rock grammar thing.

A child of the 70's am I!



Quoting angiest:


In the Atlantic (probably anywhere in the northern hemisphere but I will stick with home waters) a tropical system moves first east to west, then will curve to the north, and then recurve to the east. You might see the term recurving using to describe the entire processing of going first north then east.
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1776. ElConando 9:25 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting Floodman:


In terms of the tropics, the Atlantic basin includes the GOM and the Carib...one must set the parameters or one receives too wide a response...

LOL


I see what you are saying now, got it.
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1777. bird72 9:25 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Facts that some people needs to be aware.

1-Storm W predict a pattern change.
2-Igor was suppose to begin going north.
3-Storm W predict not now, is going to recurve, but more far west.
4- Today, Igor fail NHC forecast point going south of it.
5-Storm W forecast was right, Igor don't begin to recurve where NHC says.
6-People blabling against Storm W needs to get over it and shut up.
:)
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1778. AtHomeInTX 9:25 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting angiest:


Steering currently indicates northern Mexico, much as with Alex. I would conservatively state as far north as Corpus (doesn't hurt to watch) but here in Houston I will continue to monitor it until it dissipates.


+1
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1779. angiest 9:25 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting weathermancer:


Maybe not the 2nd trough... but the 3rd over the prairies.


And that will, simply due to time, have a major difference on who, if anyone, gets a hit.
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1780. Floodman 9:26 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting ElConando:


I was speaking in terms of the Open Atlantic. I am aware of all the others. I was pointing out the rarity of Cat 5's in the Open Atlantic.


Ahhh...you gave a proposition with relatively ill-defined parameters
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1781. reedzone 9:26 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting KanKunKid:


Yeah, I wouldn't break out the Pinatas just as yet, Igor's stubborn ways of un-predictability by continuing west may change things. But stick with Reed, he won't steer you wrong (on purpose).


Should turn around 53-55W instead of umm.. now as the NHC and models are forecasting. Gotta go to work, I personally feel Igor is a Category 5 storm, after the 5 p.m. advisory, the hurricane really got going with more banding and a ring of convection. I'm expecting models to shift slightly to the left tonight, we'll see.
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1784. 7544 9:26 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting weathermancer:


Maybe not the 2nd trough... but the 3rd over the prairies.


or the 4 th one thru the ocean white with foam
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1785. MiamiHurricanes09 9:26 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Igor continues to move due west on satellite imagery with minor jogs towards the WSW; not sure if I buy that WNW turn later tonight, but we'll see.
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1787. hydrus 9:26 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
wow! so this would be an anomaly for sure!!
Quoting BDAwx:
There have been four Category 5 hurricanes in the Atlantic, that is not including the Caribbean or Gulf of Mexico, since 1950. Isabel, Andrew, Hugo, and Donna
What about Hurricane Dog?....lol
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1788. sailingallover 9:26 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting TheDawnAwakening:
Sailing I did not say that ridge pumping has a tremendous effect on an intense hurricane, I don't anyone has said that, it is just a short term phenomenon.
Did I say tremendous? Sorry if so.
Well the question is what effect will pumping have..if it's enough to stop the turn north thats significant both from a met how a hurricane is steered to oh no it's coming right at me..
If I get time I'd like to read up on those papers the Doc mentioned to Storm.
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1789. NOLALawyer 9:27 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Im sorry but some of yall are acting like SW forecast cant be debated..if you post on this blog then you are fair game..just because he posts a forecast, we should expect it to be so all and knowing and not question it? Where's the learning if we dont? I dont think he was debating him at all..I saw a discussion where someone got upset because his forecast was question and he is supposed to be a feature blogger? oh by the way, you have something on your nose..

Of course you can debate Storm. Just like you can debate Masters' opinion, or the NHC's, Reed's or Levi's. They are opinions. I was merely commenting on what I saw as baiting, not discourse. I thought good honest debate was the point of this blog.
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1790. winter123 9:27 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Not looking good for Bermuda. Though I am sure they will dodge this bullet as well. They always seem too. It's like a needle in a haystack.

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1791. taistelutipu 9:27 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Re 1764.

Earl is the strongest storm of the current season (as of today 2100UTC): 928 mbar (hPa) (27.42 inHg), 145 mph (230 km/h)
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1792. StormJunkie 9:27 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Very well said Nola. It's sometimes a tough call when to control panic and when not to. Most of the time though they have reasonable confidence in the forecast. It's when I see a model spread, or hear the NHC use words like "highly uncertain" that I turn to all, not one, of the experts on here to gain a consensus of what is most likely.
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1793. dmaddox 9:27 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


you forgot Cleo in 1958
and Dog in 1950.. i think there were alot more... Link
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1794. hurricane556 9:27 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting P451:
1715. VAbeachhurricanes 9:13 PM GMT on September 13, 2010 Hide this comment.
2010SEP13 201500 6.6 934.2/ +2.0 /129.6 6.5 6.6 6.6 NO LIMIT ON OFF 18.44 -67.06 EYE 27 IR 17.66 50.29 COMBO
2010SEP13 204500 6.6 934.2/ +2.0 /129.6 6.5 6.5 6.5 NO LIMIT ON OFF 18.54 -66.88 EYE 27 IR 17.63 50.39 COMBO

south jog again


2015 = 18.44N
2045 = 18.54N

north jog?


thats eye temp not latitude.
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1796. winter123 9:27 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting P451:
Igor's Eye, from Modis Aqua, about 4 hours ago.


You could get a game of football going in there! (Stadium clouds, har har)
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1797. PSLFLCaneVet 9:28 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting floridiancanuck:
What exactly is "The Poof" I keep reading about here? Also, if I get it, will antibiotics clear it up?
LMAO. Good afternoon, all.
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1799. Prgal 9:28 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting bird72:
Facts that some people needs to be aware.

1-Storm W predict a pattern change.
2-Igor was suppose to begin going north.
3-Storm W predict not now, is going to recurve, but more far west.
4- Today, Igor fail NHC forecast point going south of it.
5-Storm W forecast was right, Igor don't begin to recurve where NHC says.
6-People blabling against Storm W needs to get over it and shut up.
:)


+1000
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1800. floridiancanuck 9:29 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting NOLALawyer:
NOLALawyer -

I too like to read others skilled interpretations of the data and I certainly know that the NHC can and has been wrong in the past, but do you really think they gear their forcasts toward political interests? I'm curious what you meant by that because it just sounds soo, conspiracy theory. Not trying to be incendiary either, just genuinely wondering what you meant.


No, I don't mean they gear their forecasts towards political interests. However,I think the NHC is conservative quite often. I also do think there is a political element to it, but certainly not to the extent of a conspiracy to defraud the public from reliable information. They have the public's best interest in mind, and often panic control is an element of that best interest. However, I feel they do an excellent job..I just want to see other's opinions as well.


Thanks for clarifying. You are probably right there must be a certain amount of pressure not to create a ruckus (aka, state of mass panic) to a coastal area before they are sure that's where it's headed.
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1801. BDAwx 9:29 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


you forgot Cleo in 1958 and Dog in 1950


oops - meant 1960... because that supports the 1 per decade idea + more sophisticated monitoring of storms was available.
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