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Igor an impressive Cat 4; 92L running out of time to develop; Julia forms
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:47 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010 +6
There are few sights in the natural world more impressive than a hurricane near maximum intensity. Hurricane Igor certainly fits that description this morning, as it flirts with Category 5 strength in the Central Atlantic. Igor's rapid intensification burst brought the mighty hurricane's winds to 150 mph, just shy of the 156 mph threshold for Category 5 status. Igor is the strongest hurricane in the Atlantic in three years. The last hurricane stronger that Igor was Category 5 Hurricane Felix of 2007.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Igor.

Intensity forecast for Igor
Wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots, and is expected to remain low for the next four days. Waters are warm, 28.5°C, and will warm to 29°C by Wednesday. Igor has moistened its environment enough to keep the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) at bay. These conditions should allow Igor to remain at major hurricane status for the next four days. The hurricane will probably undergo one of the usual eyewall replacement cycles intense hurricanes commonly have, where the eyewall collapses and a new eyewall forms from an outer spiral band. This will weaken the hurricane by 10 - 20 mph when it occurs, but Igor will probably regain its lost intensity when the cycle completes. There's no evidence that an eyewall replacement cycle is imminent today, so Igor could potentially strengthen a bit more. However, I believe Igor has peaked, and will not reach Category 5 status today. By Saturday, when Igor should be nearing Bermuda, the trough of low pressure steering Igor northwestwards should bring moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots to the storm, weakening it.

Track forecast for Igor
The track forecast for Igor remains unchanged. Igor will move west under the influence of a strong ridge of high pressure until Tuesday morning, then turn more to the west-northwest then northwest in response to the steering influence of a broad trough of low pressure moving across the Western Atlantic on Tuesday and Wednesday. This should allow Igor to pass several hundred miles to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles. In the longer range, Igor appears likely to be a threat to Bermuda, and that island can expect tropical storm force winds as early as Friday. Igor does have a small chance of making landfall on the U.S. East Coast or Canada. Climatology shows that about 15% of all tropical cyclones that have existed at Igor's current position have gone on to hit the U.S. East Coast; these odds are about 10% for Bermuda and 10% for Canada. The forecast steering pattern for the period 5 - 10 days from now from the ECMWF and GFS models shows a continuation of the pattern we've seen all hurricane season, with regular strong troughs of low pressure moving off the U.S. East Coast. This pattern favors Igor eventually recurving out to sea without hitting the U.S. or Canada. While the trough expected to recurve Igor out to sea is not as sharp as the troughs that recurved Danielle, Earl, and Fiona, it should still be strong enough to keep Igor from hitting the U.S. However, Newfoundland, Canada could see a close pass. An examination of the tracks of the ten major September hurricanes that have passed closest to Igor's current location (Figure 2) reveals that one of these hurricanes went on to hit the Bahamas and Florida as a Category 2 storm, and another hit Newfoundland as a Category 1 storm. The other eight missed land. One wild card may be the intensification of Julia behind Igor. If Julia develops into a hurricane and moves close to Igor, as some of the models are suggesting, the two hurricanes could interact, affecting the track of Igor unpredictable ways. However, it currently appears the Julia will be much weaker than Igor, and will probably have little impact on her big brother's track.


Figure 2. Historical plot of the tracks of the ten major September hurricanes that have passed closest to Igor's current location.

Caribbean disturbance 92L
Tropical disturbance (92L) over the Central Caribbean, centered about 100 miles south of Jamaica, has changed little over the past day. The storm remains a threat to develop into a tropical depression, but time is running out for it to do so. Satellite loops this morning do not show a surface circulation, but 92L does have a moderate area of intense disorganized thunderstorms that are bringing heavy rain to Jamaica this morning. Kingston, Jamaica has picked up 0.67" of rain thus far this morning from 92L.


Figure 3. Morning satellite image of 92L.

Forecast for 92L
Wind shear over 92L is low, 5 - 10 knots, and is expected to remain low to moderate for the next five days. The waters beneath are hot, 29.8°C, and these warm waters extend to great depth. Water vapor satellite loops show a large area of dry air lies to the north and west of 92L, and this dry air has been interfering with development of 92L. NHC is putting the odds of 92L developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday at 40%. Given the current disorganized state of 92L, it would be difficult for it to intensify quickly enough to become any stronger than a tropical storm with 50 mph winds by Wednesday, when it will move over Belize and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. Once 92L crosses the Yucatan, the ridge of high pressure steering it is expected to remain in place, forcing 92L to a second landfall in Mexico several hundred miles south of the Texas border. A Hurricane Hunter aircraft is scheduled to investigate 92L this afternoon.

Julia
Tropical Storm Julia formed between the Cape Verdes Islands and coast of Africa yesterday, bringing some heavy rain squalls and gusty winds to the Cape Verdes, but no sustained winds of tropical storm force. Julia is headed northwest, out to sea, and it is unlikely that this storm will trouble any land areas . Shear is low enough over the next few days to allow Julia to become a hurricane, but shear will rise sharply 4 - 5 days from now, limiting the potential for Julia to become a major hurricane.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The NOGAPS model is calling for a new tropical depression to form off the coast of Africa 6 - 7 days from now.

Next post
I'll have a new post Tuesday morning.

Jeff Masters
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951. Seflhurricane 6:31 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
i have a feeling the second trof is not going to do anything to Igor, we are relying on the computer models way too much he is going to come closer to the islands than everyone is thinking, and that track is wrong in my opinion
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954. IKE 6:32 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
5 day ECMWF....



6 day.....

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955. cocoabeachcane 6:32 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
I don't understand why people get so worked up over Igor missing a few forecast points and suddenly think that it is going to go thousands of miles off its forecast path and come near the CONUS. Is it a problem with trusting people in authority, you don't think the people who have studied hurricanes all of their lives have any idea what they're talking about?
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956. NOSinger 6:33 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting divdog:
Funny I read at least 5 posts in the last 10 minutes that mention the storm may or may not miss the 2nd trough. YOU are not the only one who has that idea. Quit ragging on people who put their faith in the models. That is their choice just like it is your choice to discuss other possibilities. You are too quick to jump on people who follow the models just like some are too quick to jump on you because you don't put as much faith in the models as others. Maybe it will get closer to the US than the models are predicting. They have been wrong before. Maybe it will follow the NHC track more closely than u currently think. You have been wrong before also.


He has been wrong ALOT. He said the same thing for Earl. Everytime he posts it's always west-casting. At least he does back up his opinions with data, so I can appreciate that....is it the right data...I don't know...lol
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957. JLPR2 6:33 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting jrweatherman:


Where is the heck is "porta rico":)?


that is a good question XD
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958. barbamz 6:33 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting dracko19:
High res

WARNING: REALLY REALLY BIG PICTURE!! But, you get to see Julia too.

Link


Really beautiful!
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961. NOSinger 6:34 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting cocoabeachcane:
I don't understand why people get so worked up over Igor missing a few forecast points and suddenly think that it is going to go thousands of miles off its forecast path and come near the CONUS. Is it a problem with trusting people in authority, you don't think the people who have studied hurricanes all of their lives have any idea what they're talking about?


AMEN!!
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962. divdog 6:34 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting cocoabeachcane:
I don't understand why people get so worked up over Igor missing a few forecast points and suddenly think that it is going to go thousands of miles off its forecast path and come near the CONUS. Is it a problem with trusting people in authority, you don't think the people who have studied hurricanes all of their lives have any idea what they're talking about?
Their are absolutely people in here who think the NHC are bumbling idiots. I am not one of those peole but they do exist in this blog as hard as that is to believe. And i am not talking 1 or 2 people.
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963. pipelines 6:34 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
i have a feeling the second trof is not going to do anything to Igor, we are relying on the computer models way too much he is going to come closer to the islands than everyone is thinking, and that track is wrong in my opinion


What is the basis of this opinion? Factual evidence that is. The only thing that gut feelings will get you is a gambling habit.
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964. hydrus 6:34 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
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965. reedzone 6:35 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
12Z EURO further east today
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968. HurricaneGeek 6:35 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting cocoabeachcane:
I don't understand why people get so worked up over Igor missing a few forecast points and suddenly think that it is going to go thousands of miles off its forecast path and come near the CONUS. Is it a problem with trusting people in authority, you don't think the people who have studied hurricanes all of their lives have any idea what they're talking about?


Exactly.
Now if we see in 24 hours he's still not crossed 18N, then we've got a whole different story, but as for now a wobble here and there in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean is just like over estimating the number of sand grains at the beach.
Also, yep, the NHC people know what they're doing.
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969. tropicfreak 6:35 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting IKE:
5 day ECMWF....



6 day.....



904 mb pressure, woah that gives me the chills just thinking about a cat 5 cane sitting 500-700 miles off the east coast from where i live in VA.
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970. Drakoen 6:35 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
92L's circulation trying to become a bit better defined today. Still has the chance to develop but I think this will occur either in the Western Caribbean or BOC.
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971. VAbeachhurricanes 6:36 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting IKE:
5 day ECMWF....



6 day.....



904?!
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972. Cotillion 6:36 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting hydrus:


Caption:

'You see Gaston? This is what you do with dry air. In Soviet Russia, hurricane eat dry air.'
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973. divdog 6:36 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:
BEHOLD!

The parting of the Red in the Sea...

LET MY IGOR NORTH!

Let me pull my mack truck out of the driveway and drive it thru that hole.
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975. Ryuujin 6:36 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Was wondering when someone would come in to ensure to the rest of us that the models are accurate because they follow his ideas of where the storm is going to go and bologna on any other models or informed opinions.

Nice to know that at least this blog has one constant.
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976. tatoprweather 6:36 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting RecordSeason:
852:

Reasons Igor isn't moving WNW.

1) That is the wrong steering layer anyway.

2) You are reading the map wrong. It shows WSW steering anyway.

3) The correct steering layer, as well as the one above and below the correct layer, all shows Igor with a significant WSW to SW steering environment.

4) there is no weakness. The trough missed ~800 miles to the north and didn't even so much as touch Igor's outflow, nevermind influence steering...


Could somebody compare the actual steering pattern for Igor with that one of Hurricane Georges in 1998!!! Maybe someone still have these same graphs for that year.
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977. reedzone 6:36 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:
BEHOLD!

The parting of the Red in the Sea...

LET MY IGOR NORTH!



LOL nice!
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978. leo305 6:36 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Alright so earlier this morning every model was indicating a turn to the NW when it reaches 50W, clearly that has not happened, and the system continues to move west, and even south of due west..

there's a pretty big high dipping in from the north and east of the system, I guess it's keeping it from moving NW for now.. but there's a very strong trough that I don't think the system can ignore
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980. blsealevel 6:37 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Better?

Link
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981. serialteg 6:37 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting jrweatherman:


I have no idea if they will stay on target but so far they have done well. Some of the experts believe he will go further west than the NHC is forecasting.


i remember with earl he really clinged to that edge of the ridge in the steering - for far too long, imo - and grazed PR. unfortunately for our fellow islanders, who did not fare a better luck. now this fella is under the influence of some similar ridging edges. ultimately, the nhc did forecast that NW turn in earl, and let's see if they hit the pot with this one as well.

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982. belizewunderfan 6:37 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting KanKunKid:


Damn Terrorists!
Hey KanKunKid...I can't be on the blog all day but your avatar is easy to spot - feel free to post updates on 92L as they become available :) Tks!
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983. tropicfreak 6:37 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting HurricaneGeek:


Exactly.
Now if we see in 24 hours he's still not crossed 18N, then we've got a whole different story, but as for now a wobble here and there in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean is just like over estimating the number of sand grains at the beach.
Also, yep, the NHC people know what they're doing.


Well said. +1,000.
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984. CosmicEvents 6:37 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting moonlightcowboy:



This is a terrific loop to watch - notice how fast the clouds are moving in the eye vs the overall movement of the outer edges of the system. Wow!
Thanks for pointing that out MLC.
I've never seen a loop like that before.
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985. Seflhurricane 6:38 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting pipelines:


What is the basis of this opinion? Factual evidence that is. The only thing that gut feelings will get you is a gambling habit.
if you look the second trof coming of the Se US is flatting out, which is what happened to the first one , and since major hurricane like igor it is pumping the ridge so it should comtinue west for a while longer, now the other reason i say that is With earl the models all indicated that it would come close to the islands and earl came literally scraping the islands and then the models said it would go closer to bermuda and came near the outer banks which was not expected.
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987. leo305 6:38 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting pipelines:


What is the basis of this opinion? Factual evidence that is. The only thing that gut feelings will get you is a gambling habit.


The evidence I see is that the models forecasted a NW movement by the time the hurricane reached 50W earlier today, the system is west of that position and still moving due west, and a bit south of due west
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988. dracko19 6:38 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting cocoabeachcane:
I don't understand why people get so worked up over Igor missing a few forecast points and suddenly think that it is going to go thousands of miles off its forecast path and come near the CONUS. Is it a problem with trusting people in authority, you don't think the people who have studied hurricanes all of their lives have any idea what they're talking about?


Well, keep in mind models base all of their results on a very important fact. They assume they are correct in everything. In other words, if they forecast the Hurricane will go NW in 3 hours they assume it did and base every future result on the fact they were right. Unfortunately, they are often times wrong. So, they need to be reinitiated every six hours with new data and see what happens. The further W IGOR gets without going N, the more likely a ridge could influence him into a totally different direction and/or result. I think there is plenty of time for that N turn, so certainly nothing to get worked up about...yet.
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989. DVG 6:38 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting cocoabeachcane:
I don't understand why people get so worked up over Igor missing a few forecast points and suddenly think that it is going to go thousands of miles off its forecast path and come near the CONUS. Is it a problem with trusting people in authority, you don't think the people who have studied hurricanes all of their lives have any idea what they're talking about?


I used to kinda be that way. I used to know nothing. Now I know next to nothing.

Missing the next waypoint probably isn't signifigant. Missing the one after that becomes a bit more so, depending on if this storm is still heading due west and punches a ticket due south of it.

BTW, the eye seems about 40-50% larger across in the last 7 hours.
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991. HurricaneGeek 6:39 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Porta Rico.. That means you can move it where you want. =)
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992. TheDawnAwakening 6:40 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:
92L's circulation trying to become a bit better defined today. Still has the chance to develop but I think this will occur either in the Western Caribbean or BOC.


Its good to have you on board Drak with 92L's circulation status. It needs to clear the proximity to Jamaica and is going on a WNW track.
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993. leo305 6:40 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
I think igor has made it to category 5 status based on satellite presentation.. the eye is looking monstrous
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994. divdog 6:40 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting reedzone:


LOL nice!
do you agree or disagree with that map ?? cant tell by your comment.
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995. BobinTampa 6:40 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
I honestly can't believe how incompetent the NHC is. How can they possibly think this thing will turn???

Do they not read this blog?? (well not the blog, Dr. M seems to believe it will turn - the comments on the blog). We have some of the best insurance guys, plumbers, copier salesman etc. in the business! If we say it's hitting CONUS, it's hitting CONUS. Cmon NHC!
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996. help4u 6:40 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
I see the storm is taking a hard turn east on models.All the east casters come forth as the blog dies.That is a pattern we have had all year!lol!
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997. Cotillion 6:41 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
AL, 11, 2010091318, , BEST, 0, 176N, 501W, 130, 933, HU, 64, NEQ, 40, 35, 30, 40, 1010, 300, 15, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, IGOR, D,

No change. As expected.
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999. serialteg 6:41 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting HurricaneGeek:


a wobble here and there in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean is just like over estimating the number of sand grains at the beach.


nice but it is inevitable and exciting! lol
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1000. JLPR2 6:41 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting HurricaneGeek:
Porta Rico.. That means you can move it where you want. =)


Mobile rich people, LOL!
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1001. belizewunderfan 6:41 PM GMT en Septiembre 13, 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
ecmwf has 92L developing still and making landfall very close to alex

Uh oh....Alex made landfall in front of my house....
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