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Tropical Depression Six arrives
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 5:14 PM GMT en Agosto 22, 2010 +4
Tropical Storm Tropical Depression Six is here, but it will not be a threat to land for at least the next five days. Tropical Depression Six is a classic "Cape Verdes"-type storm common during the peak part of hurricane season. Cape Verdes-type storms are so named because they form from tropical waves that come off the coast of Africa and pass near the Cape Verdes Islands just west of Africa. Cape Verdes hurricanes are the largest and most dangerous types of hurricane in the Atlantic, since they spend a long time over water have and have of opportunity to reach full maturity. Tropical Depression Six has a ways to go before it becomes a hurricane, as the storm is embedded in a strong easterly flow of wind courtesy of the African Monsoon that is generating a moderately high 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. There is also a tropical disturbance to the northeast of TD 6 that is sucking away some moisture and is interfering with the storm's circulation. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a warm 28°C, and the storm is embedded in a moist environment, so wind shear is the primary inhibiting factor for development. The strong east winds imparting the shear are keeping any heavy thunderstorms from developing on the east side of the center of circulation, which is exposed to view in satellite imagery (Figure 1.)


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image of Tropical Depression Six.

Forecast for Tropical Depression Six
A ridge of high pressure will force Tropical Depression Six to the west-northwest for the next five days, and the system should increase its forward speed from its current 10 mph to 15 mph by Monday night. A powerful trough of low pressure over the mid-Atlantic Ocean will begin to pull Tropical Depression Six more to the northwest late this week, and the storm should pass well to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles Islands. It remains to be seen, however, it this trough will be strong enough to fully recurve Tropical Depression Six out to sea. The GFS predicts that Tropical Depression Six may pass close to Bermuda about eight days from now, and it is also possible that Tropical Depression Six could eventually hit the U.S. East Coast 9 - 15 days from now. However, we have no skill in making these sort of ultra-long range forecasts, and the long-range fate of TD 6 is uncertain.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF and NOGAPS models are predicting formation of a tropical depression off the coast of Africa 3 - 4 days from now.

Jeff Masters
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3001. smuldy 12:40 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting BobinTampa:


no, not at all. I'm on your side on this one. StormW's post was basically saying "you guys don't know as much as me so shut up and listen."

I was responding to that.
oh ok sorry totally misread sarcasm and text and all lol; i respect whatever stormw wants to think cause i get 90% of my info from him and some are ridiculous with their one line fishstorm not fishstorm posts and if he meant novice casters like me he and he alone here has the right so i just shut my mouth and apologized if i came off to the very valuable experts here in any annoying way save for my humor posts
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3003. SQUAWK 12:41 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Well, I can...model consensus...still ain't happened yet. It will or should, but not yet. And the GFS that everyone worships, had her taking the hard north at 40W earlier in the period...where is the storm now?

Storm, here is the part that I just don't understand: why do the models not see the things that you and others see? They spend so much money and time on them and they can't see a weakness in front of a storm? I just don't get it.
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3004. AllStar17 12:42 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Danielle is clearly going to go south of the next forecast point.

Also, I'd expect 96L to form later today from the African AOI.
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3006. surfmom 12:42 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting wayfaringstranger:
Easy guys

There is a lot to learn from watching Danielle.

There is no sense in bashing anyone or questioning credentials.

All the ladies on the blog are so civil. Do us fellas really have that much of an issue getting along with others?

Anyway, moving on.....


well spoken - sometimes I have to wipe the testosterone off the screen
though I'm sure a Hot Flash or two have happened through the years
Generally speaking though -- the women are better students w/far less aggression, since most of us have raised kids we're savvy at side-stepping tantrums and pre-school behaviors - IMHO
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3007. homelesswanderer 12:42 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


I think a track more to the West short term but those two highs will not sit still. It would take a very strong high to force a strengthening storm to the S of a Westerly heading. Of course, it is always possible but not probable IMO.



Is that what happened with Ike?

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3011. wunderkidcayman 12:43 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
hey ryang That sat pas that you posted confirms my COC location
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3012. Stormchaser2007 12:43 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
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3013. AllStar17 12:43 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting jason2010xxxx:
Tropical Storm Danielle winds 60 mph moving wnw at 14 mpg and going to be a fish storm.


How many times have you said "fish storm" since this was over Africa?
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3014. Stormchaser2007 12:44 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
The "holier-than-thou" attitude is really getting old and stale.


Thank you.
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3016. pottery 12:44 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting surfmom:


well spoken - sometimes I have to wipe the testosterone off the screen
though I'm sure a Hot Flash or two have happened through the years
Generally speaking though -- the women are better students w/far less aggression, since most of us have raised kids we're savvy at side-stepping tantrums and pre-school behaviors - IMHO

Good for YOU, Wise One!
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3017. CybrTeddy 12:44 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Pretty big blog update I've just completed, hope you all find it very informative!

Danielle strengthening 8/23/10
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3018. all4hurricanes 12:45 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Will this new wave be too far south or too weak to be significantly recurved by the low or will Danielle pull it Northward or is it anyone's guess?
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3019. SLU 12:45 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
We could have a hurricane in 18 - 24 hours.

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3020. smuldy 12:46 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Oh man...don't even go there. That is so totally of the wall. I was referring to the folks that come on and make blanket statements, every other post from some of the same folks, and come on to stir things up...I mean, it's funny to, how every time something hits the water, as soon as it exits Africa, everyone wants to scream fish. When ya back it up with data you can post and show me...then I listen...and I am not talking 'model consensus" either.
thats what i figured which is why i dint say anything but also value your input too much to get offended were you to ever get mad at novices like me for making a best attempt forecast guess using the little we know and coming off as being experts that may hinder the few just reading on here for info as they prepare for potential storms
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3022. surfmom 12:47 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting SQUAWK:

Storm, here is the part that I just don't understand: why do the models not see the things that you and others see? They spend so much money and time on them and they can't see a weakness in front of a storm? I just don't get it.


ME too!...but I think this is where forecasting isn't just hard science, but also an art & the talent to sense is a "gift" COMPUTERS DON'T "SENSE or FEEL" A horse trainer can have all the book knowledge in the world -- but if he/she can't "tune" in , can't "feel", "sense" and really read the energy of the horse...the trainer maybe adequate, but not Gifted

okay, back to my seat
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3025. Stormchaser2007 12:48 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Pretty darn tight consensus.



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3026. smuldy 12:49 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:
Remember the Halcion Days of last night, with the reduced tension in here?

Those were the good ole days of the blog.
lol
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3028. SaintPatrick 12:49 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Hurricane by 2pm today :D
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3029. IKE 12:50 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
6Z GFDL....Link

6Z HWRF....Link
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3030. SQUAWK 12:50 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:


True, but now against Community Standards.

Denied, re-submit in 30 days.


ROTFLMAO!!!!
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3032. CoopsWife 12:51 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
3008 and 3022

SURFIE - well said, well said. I poked my head in for a quick look this morning, but think I will back out and let the morning feeding frenzy wear a few folks out.

Back later in the day for the next discussion.
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3034. kmanislander 12:51 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


Is that what happened with Ike?



There are numerous instances where a building high has blocked the path of a system and even caused it to reverse course. Remember Andrew ?.

It was a weak and almost dissipated system headed out to sea and the next thing everyone knew it stopped in its tracks, intensified, made a turn due West and the rest is history.

Ivan did the same. It was on a track to pass over Jamaica, came to a dead stop 30 miles S of the island when it ran up underneath a high building to the West over Florida and then made a turn due West and passed about 25 miles S of Grand Cayman.

It is important to note though that it is not just the position of a high but also where other atmospheric features may be at the time. For instance, a building high / ULL combination would create a different steering regime than just having a strong ridge dominating.

The overriding point however is simple. Even strong hurricanes can head off in odd directions when least expected.

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3036. surfmom 12:52 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Hey Pottery -- just thinking of you!! I suspect Missy Danielle will bring waves to your shores - the thinking here in FL is it'll be a blustery windy mess on the Ecoast -
Hope you have a very SPECIAL & Happy B-day Link
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3037. SLU 12:52 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Microwave imagery suggests that the inner core is strengthening.

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3038. homelesswanderer 12:52 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


I don't know Stef...I blew that one.


Huh? You didn't blow that one. My locals, now they blew it big-time! And didn't admit it until after the fact. UGH! Which is another reason I'm glad there are other places to go for information than just the "Official" channels. No, what you did was save my ass. :)
Just asked if that is what happened to Ike because thats what the track looked like.
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3039. Neapolitan 12:53 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting BobinTampa:


no, not at all. I'm on your side on this one. StormW's post was basically saying "you guys don't know as much as me so shut up and listen."

I was responding to that.


No, that's not what he was saying. He was basically suggesting that folks who don't know a whit about tropical weather should maybe sit back and quietly learn rather than constantly flood the forum with their non-scientific and biased points of view. To put it succinctly: an opinion or a wish is not a forecast.
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3040. barotropic 12:53 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Pretty darn tight consensus.



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3042. Bobbyweather 12:54 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Hi. I have a question, but in PGI34L, what does PGI stand for? Also I found a site http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/predict-bin/tc_home2.cgi and looked in the archive, but there's no 01L.PGI01L, 02L, 03L, ..., 15L.PGI15L. Can somebody explain why?
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3043. wayfaringstranger 12:55 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
This whole model thing is like a double standard. It's one thing to criticize the model's data when its 100+ hrs out and it doesnt quite fit your idea but then the same folks who are critical of the data turn around and present model data like it's the holy grail at 100+ hrs to prove their own synopsis?


I'm starting to wonder who has more spin - some of these statements that I am reading or Danielle?
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3044. BobinTampa 12:57 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting Neapolitan:


No, that's not what he was saying. He was basically suggesting that folks who don't know a whit about tropical weather should maybe sit back and quietly learn rather than constantly flood the forum with their non-scientific and biased points of view. To put it succinctly: an opinion or a wish is not a forecast.


and that's fine. But who gets to decide who is qualified enough to post? I paid for my membership here, I'm not allowed to post? I never post forecasts, just ask questions mostly. But if Dr. Masters wanted to limit participation, I'm sure he would.
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3045. barotropic 12:57 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Pretty darn tight consensus.





Add climatology to that and hell its damn near a slam dunk!!! Of course never say never I guess.
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3046. Stormchaser2007 12:58 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
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3047. homelesswanderer 12:58 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


There are numerous instances where a building high has blocked the path of a system and even caused it to reverse course. Remember Andrew ?.

It was a weak and almost dissipated system headed out to sea and the next thing everyone knew it stopped in its tracks, intensified, made a turn due West and the rest is history.

Ivan did the same. It was on a track to pass over Jamaica, came to a dead stop 30 miles S of the island when it ran up underneath a high building to the West over Florida and then made a turn due West and passed about 25 miles S of Grand Cayman.

It is important to note though that it is not just the position of a high but also where other atmospheric features may be at the time. For instance, a building high / ULL combination would create a different steering regime than just having a strong ridge dominating.

The overriding point however is simple. Even strong hurricanes can head off in odd directions when least expected.



I didn't know about Andrew and Ivan. Although I do remember someone saying he wished that Andrew was headed away from Miami like they thought at one time. But you are correct that they can make unexpected moves in track and intensity.
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3048. CapnJak 12:58 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting surfmom:


well spoken - sometimes I have to wipe the testosterone off the screen
though I'm sure a Hot Flash or two have happened through the years
Generally speaking though -- the women are better students w/far less aggression, since most of us have raised kids we're savvy at side-stepping tantrums and pre-school behaviors - IMHO

Well said lol.
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3049. kshipre1 12:58 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Morning Storm! How are you?
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3050. GoofOff 12:58 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting StormW:
I know I shouldn't, as I know everyone is entitled to their opinion on Doc's blog, but I have to ask...how many of you that come on here and just make blanket statements and like stirring the pot, REALLY know anything about tropical meteorology?

Storm,
I have no training in that field. I am a retired mechanical engineer so I do enjoy studying charts and data. I really do appreciate all the information you give us. I am a native of Nebraska and have seen many tornadoes. I prefer hurricanes to them due to the advance notice. I moved to Florida over 10 years ago and live about a mile inland from the Atlantic about 45 miles north of West Palm Beach. Since I moved here we have taken three direct hits from hurricanes Francis, Jeanne and Wilma so I respect their power. My comments, on the very rare occasions I make one, are based upon what I can see from several different sources. I think the technology has made giant strides thanks to satellites. Needless to say, weather is a chain reaction over the entire earth and a change anywhere can affect the weather pattern everywhere. After the loop Jeanne made, I watch them very closely but don't get very concerned about my families' safety until about three days before the path is more clearly defined. I did have the pleasure of working on both the Gemini and Apollo projects for NASA subcontractors and am proud to have been involved in the technology that came from those projects. All things considered, Mother Nature will behave as she damn well pleases. Keep up the great work.
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3051. kmanislander 12:58 PM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Danielle looks to be on the verge of popping out an eye in the next couple of hours so we won't have any trouble knowing where the center is.
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