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Tropical Depression Six arrives
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 5:14 PM GMT en Agosto 22, 2010 +4
Tropical Storm Tropical Depression Six is here, but it will not be a threat to land for at least the next five days. Tropical Depression Six is a classic "Cape Verdes"-type storm common during the peak part of hurricane season. Cape Verdes-type storms are so named because they form from tropical waves that come off the coast of Africa and pass near the Cape Verdes Islands just west of Africa. Cape Verdes hurricanes are the largest and most dangerous types of hurricane in the Atlantic, since they spend a long time over water have and have of opportunity to reach full maturity. Tropical Depression Six has a ways to go before it becomes a hurricane, as the storm is embedded in a strong easterly flow of wind courtesy of the African Monsoon that is generating a moderately high 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. There is also a tropical disturbance to the northeast of TD 6 that is sucking away some moisture and is interfering with the storm's circulation. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a warm 28°C, and the storm is embedded in a moist environment, so wind shear is the primary inhibiting factor for development. The strong east winds imparting the shear are keeping any heavy thunderstorms from developing on the east side of the center of circulation, which is exposed to view in satellite imagery (Figure 1.)


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image of Tropical Depression Six.

Forecast for Tropical Depression Six
A ridge of high pressure will force Tropical Depression Six to the west-northwest for the next five days, and the system should increase its forward speed from its current 10 mph to 15 mph by Monday night. A powerful trough of low pressure over the mid-Atlantic Ocean will begin to pull Tropical Depression Six more to the northwest late this week, and the storm should pass well to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles Islands. It remains to be seen, however, it this trough will be strong enough to fully recurve Tropical Depression Six out to sea. The GFS predicts that Tropical Depression Six may pass close to Bermuda about eight days from now, and it is also possible that Tropical Depression Six could eventually hit the U.S. East Coast 9 - 15 days from now. However, we have no skill in making these sort of ultra-long range forecasts, and the long-range fate of TD 6 is uncertain.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF and NOGAPS models are predicting formation of a tropical depression off the coast of Africa 3 - 4 days from now.

Jeff Masters
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1802. TampaSpin 1:36 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting pottery:
UNderstood.
But I find it strange that the Steering has been consistently west for many hours, and the track is trending to the north.


My guess is the High is not as strong as the Steering maps are showing. Truly the only answer at this point. But, if you look at where Danielle is now and you look at the Steering Graphics there a small amount of space for Danielle to move North. But, soon a more Westerly track should be coming.
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1803. doorman79 1:36 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting pottery:
UNderstood.
But I find it strange that the Steering has been consistently west for many hours, and the track is trending to the north.
Im trying to learn, but could she have been trying to get under the anticyclone. Now that she has, she seems to be moving more WNW. They are like a boat for the most part, dont just stop on a dime. Just my dumb thought!
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1804. HadesGodWyvern 1:37 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    


TS Mindulle
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1805. Dakster 1:37 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting pottery:
Sorry Dakster!
LOL


It's ok. I cleaned it off...
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1807. will45 1:38 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


My guess is the High is not as strong as the Steering maps are showing. Truly the only answer at this point. But, if you look at where Danielle is now and you look at the Steering Graphics there a small amount of space for Danielle to move North. But, soon a more Westerly track should be coming.


her vertical stacking may play a role also. I havent looked at all the steering layers. Sometime they are the same and sometimes they are not
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1808. TampaSpin 1:39 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
The break is applied very hard with the BAM models.....might be a stall coming

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1809. xcool 1:39 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
DiscussionDiscussion
Discussion
Larry Cosgrove



The subtropical high will, at time, experience weaknesses over Texas and the Gulf of Mexico. This is why some chances for showers and thunderstorms may crop up, especially by the weekend. There is a small possibility that energy from Tropical Storm Frank (in the Gulf of Tehuantepec) could move into the Bay of Campeche, then link with the vestiges of a frontal structure following the Gulf Coast. If so, we could have some cooling and heavy rainfall with thunderstorms this weekend.

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1810. pottery 1:40 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Thanks P451 and TampaSpin.
Interesting idea, Doorman.
Momentum rules!
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1811. blsealevel 1:40 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    


Lower Level Winds
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1812. Chucktown 1:42 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


My guess is the High is not as strong as the Steering maps are showing. Truly the only answer at this point. But, if you look at where Danielle is now and you look at the Steering Graphics there a small amount of space for Danielle to move North. But, soon a more Westerly track should be coming.


The nor'easter that "bombs" on Monday and Tuesday will further weaken the west side existing ridge. The weakness will occur between the Bermuda high and the 1024 Canadian high that builds in from the west. If you want to get technical, troughs don't necessarily steer tropical systems, they just create the weaknesses between highs to follow.
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1813. pottery 1:42 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Right now, the weakness that is there...she's feeling it somewhat...so combine that right now, with the actual flow she's embedded in, and it works out to what we see, as far as the bend back WNW somewhat. In fact NHC even stated a WNW bend in the 5:00 p.m. discussion

GIVEN THE NORTHWARD MOVEMENT OF THE CENTER OF DANIELLE THROUGH MUCH
OF THE DAY...THE ESTIMATED INITIAL MOTION IS 310/10. HOWEVER...
RECENT SATELLITE IMAGES SUGGEST THAT THE CENTER IS TURNING BACK
TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST...AND THIS MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE
FOR THE NEXT 72 HOURS AS THE SYSTEM IS STEERED BY THE SUBTROPICAL
RIDGE TO ITS NORTH.

Many thanks for that.
This one has "confusion" writ all over it, IMO!
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1814. Vero1 1:43 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
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1815. all4hurricanes 1:43 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
I think wish-casters will move on from Francis to this storm, except I think there is a definite possibility of this type of track
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1817. TampaSpin 1:45 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting all4hurricanes:
I think wish-casters will move on from Francis to this storm, except I think there is a definite possibility of this type of track


I agree........must be Hugo...
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1818. HadesGodWyvern 1:45 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
what happened to the fire storm, Jason ;-)
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1819. will45 1:46 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


I agree........must be Hugo...


Diane
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1820. JLPR2 1:46 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


I agree........must be Hugo...


Diane 1955
And that track sure looks possible
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1821. HadesGodWyvern 1:47 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
** WTKO20 RKSL 230000 ***
KMA TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY NO. 1
NAME TS 1005 MINDULLE
ANALYSIS
POSITION 230000UTC 15.8N 111.0E
MOVEMENT W 11KT
PRES/VMAX 995HPA 39KT
FORECAST
24HR
POSITION 240000UTC 18.1N 108.2E WITHIN 80NM
PRES/VMAX 990HPA 47KT
48HR
POSITION 250000UTC 19.5N 105.7E WITHIN 135NM
PRES/VMAX 990HPA 47KT
72HR
POSITION 260000UTC 20.0N 102.9E WITHIN 0NM
PRES 998HPA
KOREA METEOROLOGICAL ADMINISTRATION.

----
40 knots from KMA
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1822. TampaSpin 1:47 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting jason2010xxxx:
my new video on tropical storm DANIELLE CALLING THIS A FISH STORM BY 200%


Jason....i am not going to disagree with you as you could very well be correct. But, 200%....you can't wait to get pounced on if you are wrong by many. YOU KNOW THAT!....LOL
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1823. blsealevel 1:48 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    


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1825. MrstormX 1:48 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Danielle gets more impressive every minute...
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1826. CybrTeddy 1:48 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Anticyclone has started sliding towards the circulation, that's probably the reason why we are seeing the blow up. Its almost directly over it.

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1827. pottery 1:49 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
HEH!!
Some serious rumblings to my east right now.
Flashing lights and all..........
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1828. ShenValleyFlyFish 1:50 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting all4hurricanes:
I think wish-casters will move on from Francis to this storm, except I think there is a definite possibility of this type of track
If you look at the spaghetti tracks appears to me like you can choose one to send it anywhere you want.
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1829. will45 1:50 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting pottery:
HEH!!
Some serious rumblings to my east right now.
Flashing lights and all..........


Orca did it
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1830. Bordonaro 1:50 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Anticyclone has started sliding towards the circulation, that's probably the reason why we are seeing the blow up. Its almost directly over it.


Great, now watch Danielle explode!
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1831. xcool 1:51 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
btwntx08 .be nice :) mrs rob
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1833. xcool 1:52 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
15k wind shear hit her rigth now..
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1834. ShenValleyFlyFish 1:52 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting will45:


Orca did it
I told him not to eat that burrito.
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1836. will45 1:53 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:
I told him not to eat that burrito.


ah ha
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1837. pottery 1:53 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting will45:


Orca did it

That must be why there is a Halo around the Moon.
Heavy Northern Mojo at work....
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1838. palmpt 1:53 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Jason....i am not going to disagree with you as you could very well be correct. But, 200%....you can't wait to get pounced on if you are wrong by many. YOU KNOW THAT!....LOL

Jason has it!
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1840. pipelines 1:55 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting P451:


We've seen it all season long...steering showing west, models showing northerly components....

and so far the models have somewhat proven more correct than the steering maps.

Makes me wonder about those steering maps and how much they can be trusted.

Will the same occur this go around? Don't know but I do feel Danielle is going to be one suspect storm come the 8-14 day range.


The steering maps are plenty accurate, the issue lies with the the interpretation of the data. The maps show steering currents at the present time. If the steering currents remained unchanged for a week at a time, the storm would go directly where the map shows the currents taking it. But since all weather is fluid and always changing, steering currents included, this information is only good for a short amount of time. The forecast models try to predict how the steering currents will change.

Remember, the steering maps are not a road map bu they are fairly accurate.
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1843. blsealevel 1:55 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    


I knew i wasnt seeing things.
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1844. tornadolarkin 1:55 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
I think this is a possible track. Not amazingly likely, but its in the mix.
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1845. will45 1:55 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Quoting pottery:

That must be why there is a Halo around the Moon.
Heavy Northern Mojo at work....


he took it off to polish it pott
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1846. doorman79 1:56 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
? Isn't she already south and west of the 06:00z point? Or am i reading wrong?
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1847. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 1:56 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
06L/TS/D/CX
MARK
14.36N/36.23W

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1848. BahaHurican 1:56 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Evening all.

It seems the excitement with this storm has been happening "behind my back".... lol. The minute I stepped out of the house, BOOM! Danielle... lol

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1849. all4hurricanes 1:56 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
In a few days we'll know where Danielle is headed and bur I don't think Diane is probable just possible honestly I would bet on some waves and rain in Bermuda but nothing more
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1850. RadarNerd 1:56 AM GMT en Agosto 23, 2010    
Looks like a fighter..

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