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Unusually well-organized 92L disturbance may become a tropical depression
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:14 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010 +3
Invest 92L, a remarkably well-developed African tropical wave for so early in the season, is midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands. Infrared satellite loops show a modest area of heavy thunderstorms along the north side of 92L's center of circulation, and the storm's heavy thunderstorms activity appears to be slowly increasing in intensity and areal coverage. Upper-level outflow is apparent to the west and north of 92L, and the outflow has been gradually improving this morning. Visible satellite loops do not show much in the way of low-level spiral bands, and my current take from the satellite imagery is that 92L is slowly organizing, and will not become a tropical depression any earlier than 11pm EDT tonight (Monday.) A 4:27 am EDT pass from the WINDSAT satellite saw a partially closed circulation at the surface (open on the south side), with top surface winds of 25 - 30 mph north of the center.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 92L (left side of image) and a vigorous new tropical wave that has moved off the coast of Africa (right side.) None of models develop the new tropical wave, but it bears watching.

Sea surface temperatures
Climatology argues against development of 92L, since only one named storm has ever formed between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands in the month of June--Tropical Storm Ana of 1979 (Figure 2). However, sea surface temperatures (SSTs) underneath 92L are an extremely high 28°C, and will increase to 29°C by Thursday. In fact, with summer not even here, and three more months of heating remaining until we reach peak SSTs in the Atlantic, ocean temperatures across the entire Caribbean and waters between Africa and the Lesser Antilles are about the same as they were during the peak week for water temperatures in 2009 (mid-September.)

Dry air not a problem for 92L until Wednesday
The disturbance doesn't have to worry about dry air today or Tuesday--Total Precipitable Water (TPW) loops show a very moist plume of air accompanies 92L, and water vapor satellite loops show that the center of 92L is at least 200 - 300 miles from any substantial areas of dry air. As 92L continues to push northwest, though, the SHIPS model is predicting that relative humidity at middle levels of the atmosphere will fall from the current value of about 70%, to 60% on Wednesday. This dry air may begin to cause problems for 92L on Wednesday, especially since wind shear will be increasing at the same time. Tropical cyclones are more vulnerable to dry air when there is substantial wind shear, since the strong winds causing the shear are able to inject the dry air deep into the core of the storm.

Madden-Julian Oscillation
The 60-day cycle of enhanced thunderstorm activity called the Madden-Julian Oscillation is currently favoring upward motion over eastern tropical Atlantic, and this enhanced upward motion helps create stronger updrafts and higher chances of tropical cyclone development.


Figure 2. Tropical Storm Ana of 1979 was the only June named storm on record to form between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands.

Wind shear
A major issue for 92L, like it is for most June disturbances, is wind shear. The subtropical jet stream has a branch flowing through the Caribbean and tropical Atlantic north of 10° N that is bringing 20 - 40 knots of wind shear to the region. Our disturbance was located near 10°N, 40°W at 8am EDT this morning, a few hundred miles south of this band of high shear, and is currently only experiencing 5 - 10 knots of shear. This low amount of shear should allow for some steady development of 92L over the next two days as it tracks west-northwest or northwest at 15 mph. The latest run of the SHIPS model is predicting the shear will rise to 20 knots on Wednesday, which may start to cause problems for 92L.

The forecast for 92L
The National Hurricane Center is giving 92L a high (60% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday morning, which is a reasonable forecast. The odds of development have increased since yesterday, as the storm has moved considerably to the northwest, away from the Equator. Now it can leverage the Earth's spin to a much greater degree to help get it get spinning. It is quite unusual for a tropical depression to form south of 8°N latitude.

I expect that 92L's best chance to become a tropical depression will come on Tuesday, and the storm could strengthen enough by Wednesday to be named Tropical Storm Alex. The farther south 92L stays, the better chance it has at survival. With the system's steady west-northwest movement this week, 92L will probably begin encountering hostile wind shear in excess of 20 knots by Wednesday, which should interfere with continued development. Several of our reliable models do develop 92L into a tropical storm with 40 - 55 mph winds, but all of the models foresee weakening by Thursday or Friday as 92L approaches the Lesser Antilles Islands and encounters high shear and dry air. I doubt 92L will be anything stronger than a 45 mph tropical storm when it moves through the northern Lesser Antilles Islands on Friday and Saturday, and it would be no surprise if wind shear has destroyed the storm by then. However, as usual, surprises can happen, and the GFS and the SHIPS model (which is based upon the GFS) do indicate that more modest levels of wind shear in the 15 - 20 mph range late this week may allow 92L to stay stronger than I'm expecting. Residents of the islands--particularly the northern Lesser Antilles--should follow the progress of 92L closely, and anticipate heavy rains and high winds moving through the islands as early as Thursday night.

Oil spill wind forecast
There is little change to the oil spill wind forecast for the coming two weeks. Light winds of 5 - 10 knots mostly out of the south or southeast will blow in the northern Gulf of Mexico all week, according to the latest marine forecast from NOAA. These winds will keep oil near the coast of Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and the extreme western Florida Panhandle, according to the latest trajectory forecasts from NOAA and the State of Louisiana. The long range 8 - 16 day forecast from the GFS model indicates a typical summertime light wind regime, with winds mostly blowing out of the south or southeast. This wind regime will likely keep oil close to the coastal areas that have already seen oil impacts over the past two weeks.

Jeff Masters
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751. Levi32 6:11 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting altesticstorm10:

Probably not.

As I said we had a lot of CATL invests that were overhyped in June and July 2007 that never developed. People said they were harbingers, but all in all 2007 was a modest slightly-above average (15 vs. 14 name storm) season with nothing essentially hitting the U.S.


You forget the Caribbean too easily. We're talking about seasonal activity not US landfalls. Having the wave train heat up this early bodes bad for those areas that are threatened by Cape Verde systems, and those in the Caribbean remember 2007 with a lot more shadow than you do.
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752. CybrTeddy 6:11 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
The wave off Africa is holding together, appears to have a LLC. Watch for a mention on the TWO at 8 or 2 a.m, if it persists. 92L still has a chance, if it just manages to blow up tonight.
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753. Hurricanes101 6:12 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting WindDamage:


Your post is absolutely not necessary

This has become a circus today, and this blog will drive away tons of people at the heart of the hurricane season, if this kind of crap happens.




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754. 7544 6:12 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
might see 93l soon ?
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755. Levi32 6:12 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Levi, It looks like 92L still has a good spin counter clockwise. Does this mean it could continue awhile at this pace,while it looks for oppurtunities to developement?


Its well-defined circulation will definitely help keep it alive for the time-being, but it has a need for deep convection right now, that it may not get until it makes it to 46W.
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757. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 6:13 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    


invest 92l
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758. xcool 6:13 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
WindDamage HAHA
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759. ElConando 6:14 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
It seems that it is interacting with less favorable conditions now and the area ahead of it will become more conducive for development in the next couple of days. If it can survive.
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760. stillwaiting 6:14 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
92L is not dead and was probably a td for 24hrs imo,watch new for new convection to form close to the llc,imo 92l w/be TS alex within 48hrs.....the story of 92L has just begun as it should head for the SE carib this weekend!!!!
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762. masonsnana 6:14 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting WindDamage:
MiamiHurricane was ''REALLY'' excited about this storm yesterday! I recall him providing multiple updates about 92L, all throughout the day. He was bouncing of the walls in excitement. Anyways, how are you dealing with the major letdown today, huh, Cane? You'll survive, my friend! They'll more to track, fairly soon, :(. All of you guys on here yesterday, know perfectly well what I'm talking about here.
I was here all day yesterday and a lot of people were excited, not just Miami09.
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764. MiamiHurricanes09 6:14 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting WindDamage:
MiamiHurricane was ''REALLY'' excited about this storm yesterday! I recall him providing multiple updates about 92L, all throughout the day. He was bouncing of the walls in excitement. Anyways, how are you dealing with the major letdown today, huh, Cane? You'll survive, my friend! They'll more to track, fairly soon, :(. All of you guys on here yesterday, know perfectly well what I'm talking about here.
Don't get carried away, lol. I am never excited about a storm developing especially when they could threaten land, as this one still possibly can. I'm not completely ruling out the possibility that 92L will become a tropical depression or tropical storm I just think that the chances aren't as high as they were yesterday, due to the major toll the diurnal minimum took on 92L last night and early morning today. I still think that there's a 50/50 chance that 92L will become a TD it just needs to develop a better structure and more convection ASAP, because shear is approaching.
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765. stormwatcherCI 6:15 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting altesticstorm10:

Probably not.

As I said we had a lot of CATL invests that were overhyped in June and July 2007 that never developed. People said they were harbingers, but all in all 2007 was a modest slightly-above average (15 vs. 14 name storm) season with nothing essentially hitting the U.S.
There are other countries besides the US that were devastated by hurricanes in 2007. The US is not the only place people reside that hurricanes threaten.
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766. kuppenskup 6:15 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting Floodman:


What are you, new? TWC has pretty much lost credibility since they stopped tying Cantore to palm trees at landfall...


Your picture kind of reminds me of the former guitar player from Faith No More
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767. Levi32 6:15 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting WindDamage:
Give it up, XCool, not even SST readings of 100 degrees plus, can save 92L at this point, any longer.


On the contrary, SSTs are a big reason why 92L is struggling, and warmer SSTs would help it a great deal right now.
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768. CybrTeddy 6:15 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Altesticstorm10.

15 named storms was 'slighly' above average? 2004 also had 15 named storms and the Caribbean utterly suffered in 2007. 2 Category 5s.

NONE of the waves were anywhere near as organized as 92L was. The wave your thinking of happened in July, and it did bring a foreboding of the season to come. 2008 which featured Bertha, didn't see a CV wave with a Red alert in June.
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770. IKE 6:15 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting SouthALWX:

The problem wasnt his forecast it was his attitude.


A lot of us can be more respectful about things on here. If someone feels a system has no chance I'm not going to call them a troll or put them on ignore or seriously call them a downcaster.

But I will RIP...for now, 92L, based off of the latest TWO. It may come back, down the road somewhere.
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771. winter123 6:16 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
"I think I can I think i can I think I can...."
-92L

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772. Chicklit 6:16 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Good Afternoon WUbies,
Looks like 92L is making a beeline for the great invest home in the sky typically in the general direction of the north pole...
This was an impressive one, for sure!!!
The sheer size of it was mind boggling.
Anyway, try not to tear each other up too badly. Some invests develop; some don't. And it doesn't depend upon what we say about them!
ShortWaveLoop
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773. SouthALWX 6:16 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting WindDamage:
Give it up, XCool, not even SST readings of 100 degrees plus, can save 92L at this point, any longer.

100F readings would save it almost without doubt.
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774. illinichaser 6:17 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
"In fact, with summer not even here, and three more months of heating remaining until we reach peak SSTs in the Atlantic, ocean temperatures across the entire Caribbean and waters between Africa and the Lesser Antilles are about the same as they were during the peak week for water temperatures in 2009 (mid-September.)"

Absolutely unreal.
775. CybrTeddy 6:18 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
There are other countries besides the US that were devastated by hurricanes in 2007. The US is not the only place people reside that hurricanes threaten.


I think we should just ignore him. He doesn't know what he's talking I believe. He's a troll.
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776. MiamiHurricanes09 6:18 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
92L continues to keep that "squished" structure. Don't know what could be causing it as shear is still far away.

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777. GTcooliebai 6:18 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting stillwaiting:
92L is not dead and was probably a td for 24hrs imo,watch new for new convection to form close to the llc,imo 92l w/be TS alex within 48hrs.....the story of 92L has just begun as it should head for the SE carib this weekend!!!!

I'm guessing that since it stayed weak it will take a more southern course towards the lesser antillies or windward islands.
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778. unf97 6:18 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting 7544:
might see 93l soon ?


Very possible. The wave east of 92L continues to look impressive on satellite imagery, and should the wave maintain its convection and hold together, I would think we may see it designated as an invest by the middle of this week.
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780. winter123 6:19 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
92L most likely missed it's opportunity. It has a chance tonight though. However, not even any of the down casters can deniy that the fact 92L happened and became so organized is big foreboding of the season that this could happen in June. Watch the wave off Africa, they'll just become more organized as the days go by.

Yes! But it's really not dead yet. I might agree with "probably" dead but it does have a chance at the DMAX, as I said before around 11pm it will burst back to life, I think.
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781. scott39 6:19 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Its well-defined circulation will definitely help keep it alive for the time-being, but it has a need for deep convection right now, that it may not get until it makes it to 46W.
Thats not shear making the convection move off to the NNE is it? I thought you mentioned something about what was making it happen earlier, but i missed it. Also is there any way to pull up past seasons Sat loops of tds, so we can compare if 92Ls loops earlier looked like a TD?
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782. SouthALWX 6:19 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting IKE:


A lot of us can be more respectful about things on here. If someone feels a system has no chance I'm not going to call them a troll or put them on ignore or seriously call them a downcaster.

But I will RIP...for now, 92L, based off of the latest TWO. It may come back, down the road somewhere.

Oh I agree. Certain individuals just drive me nuts the way they treat each other... Espousing nonsense forecasting and BS science .. and then they get lucky and think they are the gods of weather. It's frustrating.
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783. IKE 6:19 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
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784. eddye 6:20 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
people letsgoin tropics chat
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785. MiamiHurricanes09 6:20 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting WindDamage:


I know, don't take it offensively, please. That wasn't my intention. However, your passion for this field will take you very far in it. Looking forward to reading your works this summer, as the season begins.
Oh, didn't mean for it to sound rude in any way, just expressing my opinions. I didn't find your post offensive in any way.
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787. IKE 6:21 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting SouthALWX:

Oh I agree. Certain individuals just drive me nuts the way they treat each other... Espousing nonsense forecasting and BS science .. and then they get lucky and think they are the gods of weather. It's frustrating.


I hear ya.
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788. tornadodude 6:21 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting illinichaser:
"In fact, with summer not even here, and three more months of heating remaining until we reach peak SSTs in the Atlantic, ocean temperatures across the entire Caribbean and waters between Africa and the Lesser Antilles are about the same as they were during the peak week for water temperatures in 2009 (mid-September.)"

Absolutely unreal.


hey, where are you from in Illinois?
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789. CaribBoy 6:21 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
OH I see some little pop corns where the COC is supposed to be.
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790. stillwaiting 6:21 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
anyone,ANYONE who thinks 92L is RIP is craaaaaazy and will feel pretty dumb in about 24hrs when we have alex headed towards the islands!!!!,take a look at the visable loop it is obvious that their is more orgainization in the form of vortistic convection around a newly consolodated LLC....
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791. Chicklit 6:21 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
92L lost its upper cyclone...and it's legs, too!
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792. ElConando 6:21 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
A spinning cell near Hialeah.
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793. CybrTeddy 6:21 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/GOES14452010165cYtTl5.jpg

I'm on iPad, so I cant post pics. African wave and 92L. African wave is also unusually well organized. This is incredible to see for June!
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794. Levi32 6:22 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting altesticstorm10:

But the problem is this year is very similar to 2007 just with warmer water...and everyone on here is looking for 23 storms with a dose of US landfalling hurricanes like we saw in 2004 and 2005...whereas a more normal season like 2007 saw a very slow June and July with a bunch of invests but nothin' happenin'.


Sorry, this:



is nothing like this:



2007 is an analog year, but had issues with SAL and fast trade winds. The Atlantic was not the focus of global heat that year. It was far from the same thing, and we still got 15 storms and a very bad year for the Caribbean.
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795. stormwatcherCI 6:22 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


I think we should just ignore him. He doesn't know what he's talking I believe. He's a troll.
Thank you but with people like him it makes me think they feel life in the Caribbean, Central America etc. has no value. We suffered greatly with Ivan in 2004 and Jamaica, Mexico and Central America were devastated by Dean and Felix in 2007. If a country as big as the US feels the devastation from a hurricane what does he think the small islands in the Caribbean feel ?
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796. EricSFL 6:23 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting SouthALWX:

Oh I agree. Certain individuals just drive me nuts the way they treat each other... Espousing nonsense forecasting and BS science .. and then they get lucky and think they are the gods of weather. It's frustrating.


And then others, when they're prooved wrong, they don't even show up in here.
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797. CaribBoy 6:23 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
Quoting stillwaiting:
92L is not dead and was probably a td for 24hrs imo,watch new for new convection to form close to the llc,imo 92l w/be TS alex within 48hrs.....the story of 92L has just begun as it should head for the SE carib this weekend!!!!


This thing, or what's left of it will be further north.. likely over the NE carib per 12Z GFS.
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799. 7544 6:24 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
now now we have all seen even naked swirls come back to life remeber so we cant rule out 92l out yet

but the wave behind does look very good now so if 92l doesent make u happy that one might lol
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800. JRRP 6:24 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
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801. stillwaiting 6:25 PM GMT en Junio 14, 2010    
new explosion of convection over LLC apparent on high res vis sat loop!!!!
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