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Solar impacts on hurricanes
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:36 PM GMT en Mayo 13, 2010 +7
I'm in Tucson for the American Meteorological Society's 29th Conference on Hurricanes and Tropical Meteorology. This is the premier scientific conference on hurricanes, and is held only once every two years, so pretty much all of the world's greatest hurricane experts are here. One of the more intriguing posters presented at Tuesday's poster session was titled, Evidence linking solar variability with USA hurricanes, by Robert Hodges and Jim Elsner of Florida State University. They showed that the probability of three or more hurricanes hitting the U.S. during a hurricane season with warmer than average sea surface temperatures increases dramatically during minima in the 11-year sunspot cycle. The odds increase from 20% to 40% for years when the sunspot activity is in the lower 25% of the sunspot cycle, compared to years in the upper 25% of the cycle. Near the peak of the sunspot cycle, the odds of at least one hurricane hitting the U.S. are just 25%, but at solar minimum, the odds increase sharply to 64%. The authors studied the period 1851 - 2008, and controlled for other variables such as changes in sea surface temperature and El Niño. Such a large impact of the sun on hurricanes might seem surprising, given that the change in solar energy at all light wavelengths is only about 0.1%. This relatively small change causes just a 0.1°C change in Earth's mean surface temperature between the peak of the 11-year sunspot cycle (high solar activity) and the minimum of the sunspot cycle (where we are now.) However, variation in radiation between extrema of the solar cycle can be 10% or more in portions of the UV range (Elsner et al., 2008.) The strong change in UV light causes globally averaged temperature swings in the lower stratosphere of 0.4°C between the minimum and maximum of the sunspot cycle--four times as great as the difference measured at Earth's surface (Lean, 2009). This sensitivity of the stratosphere to UV light is due to the fact the ozone layer is located in the stratosphere. Ozone absorbs a large amount of UV light, causing the stratosphere to heat up when solar activity is high. The authors speculate that a warmer stratosphere then heats up the upper troposphere, making the atmosphere more stable. An unstable atmosphere--with hot temperatures at the surface and cold conditions in the upper troposphere--are conducive for stronger hurricanes. Thus, we would expect to see reductions in hurricanes during the peak of the sunspot cycle.

Previous research
The findings presented at this week's conference build upon earlier work published by Elsner et al. (2008) and Elsner et al. (2010). The first of these studies found that for every 100 extra sunspots in September, the temperature of the atmosphere at 16 km altitude over the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico increased by about 0.5°C, and the number of hurricanes in this region was reduced by 26%. Interestingly, a reduction of hurricanes over the eastern Atlantic off the coast of Africa was not observed during solar maxima, which the authors attributed to the fact that hurricanes in this region are limited by sea surface temperature, not instability. Solar maximum brings a small increase in sea surface temperature to the globe, aiding hurricane development in regions where sea surface temperature is the limiting factor. The second of these studies (Elsner et al., 2010) computed that for a Category 2 hurricane affecting the U.S. during the most active 30% range of the solar cycle, the resultant heating of the upper troposphere would cause a 19% decrease in the stability, lowering the hurricane's winds by 10% (10 mph.) Stronger hurricanes would be affected even more, with a potential wind speed reduction of 23 mph for the most powerful hurricanes. The 27-day rotation period of the sun causes a change in UV light even larger than the change observed during the 11-year sunspot cycle, so perhaps we should be monitoring the phase of the sun's rotation to look for more favorable periods for hurricane formation.

Commentary
Considering that this year we are at the deepest solar minimum in more than a century, this research gives us yet another reason to expect a severe Atlantic hurricane season this year. My next post, which may not be until Monday, I'll discuss the sea surface temperatures in the Atlantic hurricane main development region, which set an all-time record last month for the warmest monthly anomaly for the 100+ years we have records. Also, El Niño now appears to be over, as sea surface temperatures in the Eastern Pacific have crossed the threshold into neutral territory.

References
Elsner, J. B., and T. H. Jagger, 2008, United States and Caribbean tropical cyclone activity related to the solar cycle, Geophys. Res. Lett., 35, L18705, doi:10.1029/2008GL034431.

Elsner, J. B., T. H. Jagger, and R. E. Hodges, 2010, Daily tropical cyclone intensity response to solar ultraviolet radiation, Geophys. Res. Lett., 37, L09701, doi:10.1029/2010GL043091.

Lean, J.L., 2009, Cycles and trends in solar irradiance and climate", Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews: Climate Change, Volume 1, Issue 1, Pages 111-122 Published Online: 22 Dec 2009

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1001. NttyGrtty 5:02 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
996. Says who?...or have you been down there and actually measured it?
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1002. Cavin Rawlins 5:02 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
I will have an update on my blog this afternoon, not expected, but some other topics about the upcoming season.
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1003. DDR 5:02 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Good afternoon all
We here in North Trinidad are getting much needed rainfall finally.Some 61 mm ,within the last 20 hours at my location
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1004. Patrap 5:03 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
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1005. SomeRandomTexan 5:03 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
tampa hurricane--

I'm going to need some proof/data to back up your idea of 3.8 million gallons a day...
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1006. DDR 5:04 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Whats up 456?
Nice itcz action trailing that wave,im out bbl.
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1007. Levi32 5:04 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
The 12z GFS is still trying to spin up some fun and games.

Surface forecast Day 12:

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1008. Patrap 5:06 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    


Note the lighter colored natural gas spewing out above the denser crude and water..

..the Riser pipe is 21 inches across..the flow is 3000psi,and the Water depth pressure is round 2500psi.

Est remain between 220,000 gals and 240,000 per day,or 24 hrs
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1009. wxmobilejim 5:10 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting Weather456:
Good afternoon to all

Good afternoon 456. What's your opinion on the upward MJO for late May?
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1010. NttyGrtty 5:11 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Math guy (me) concurs with the oil man (Pat). 3.8 million gals/day equates to a barrel/second. Not possible through a 21 inch pipe at that depth/pressure.
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1011. Floodman 5:15 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting NttyGrtty:
996. Says who?...or have you been down there and actually measured it?


Professor Steve Werely, of Purdue...the error factor for the formula he's using is closer to 25%, but even so, sounds as though the original estimates were somewhat less than the actual number
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1012. tampahurricane 5:16 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
I was just looking at the info that was in the video from CNN but the numbers do seem higher than BP is telling us. But who knows it is still a terrible tragedy.
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1013. Cavin Rawlins 5:17 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting wxmobilejim:

Good afternoon 456. What's your opinion on the upward MJO for late May?


moderate to high chance of above average rains for the Caribbean Basin.

low-moderate chance of tropical cyclone development due to marginally favorable upper winds and the lingering subtropical jet stream. Anything managing to form would likely struggle with upper winds, and resemble Barry-type systems.

Shear really lowers south of about 15N, so the southern Caribbean, particularly the SW Caribbean, based on this and climo is the ideal place to watch.

The main inhibitor would be the subtropical jet north of 15-20N.

I give a low-moderate chance of anything forming before June 1.
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1014. Floodman 5:18 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting NttyGrtty:
Math guy (me) concurs with the oil man (Pat). 3.8 million gals/day equates to a barrel/second. Not possible through a 21 inch pipe at that depth/pressure.


I guess the next question is, what is the maximum outflow for a pipe of that size, given the pressure variables involved?
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1015. Patrap 5:20 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Im gonna need a bigger slide rule..
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1017. Patrap 5:22 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Atlantis all buttoned up for her Final Climb to Orbit.

Fare winds and Godspeed to her and the STS-132 Crew as they Carry the Fire to Orbit this afternoon.



12 minutes to Liftoff.

Weather is Go..
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1018. help4u 5:23 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Joe Bastardi is the best forcaster i have heard!On top of global warming debate.
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1019. JamesSA 5:23 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
If we take the diameter of that plume as it leaves the pipe to be roughly the diameter of an oil drum, how long does it take for a visible feature in that video to travel the LENGTH of an oil drum? It looks like much less than a second to me!

I think the estimate is credible.
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1020. Patrap 5:24 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
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1021. Floodman 5:34 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Wow, how did that guy make it off my Ignore list? **POOF!**
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1022. Drakoen 5:35 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
Here comes the GFS with major upward motion associated with the MJO forecasted over the Caribbean by late in the month.



None of the other models show or suggest such a pulse occurring.
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1023. Patrap 5:36 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
We may have just got scrubbed due to a loose ball bearing that may be in the payload bay from a cam mount.
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1024. wxmobilejim 5:37 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Thanks 456.
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1025. Patrap 5:37 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Thats bad mojo on a Friday.
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1026. NttyGrtty 5:38 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting JamesSA:
If we take the diameter of that plume as it leaves the pipe to be roughly the diameter of an oil drum, how long does it take for a visible feature in that video to travel the LENGTH of an oil drum? It looks like much less than a second to me!

I think the estimate is credible.
At 2500psi water pressure, the 21 inch pipe isn't "full". It's not a fully pressurized pipe but a leak. Estimating one 10th of the pipe volume has the mix(oil/water/gas) gives a max flow of ~320,000 gal/day. Then consider all that comes out is not oil, say 1/3 of it, and we arrive at Pat's number ~220,000gals per day...MAX, so it's probably less than that. Considering the depth of the well below the sea floor, it is more than likely a true leak with very little pressure behind it (considering the pressure in front of it). All just math...I know nothing about the oil business.
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1027. Patrap 5:41 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting NttyGrtty:
At 2500psi water pressure, the 21 inch pipe isn't "full". It's not a fully pressurized pipe but a leak. Estimating one 10th of the pipe volume has the mix(oil/water/gas) gives a max flow of ~320,000 gal/day. Then consider all that comes out is not oil, say 1/3 of it, and we arrive at Pat's number ~220,000gals per day...MAX, so it's probably less than that. Considering the depth of the well below the sea floor, it is more than likely a true leak with very little pressure behind it (considering the pressure in front of it). All just math...I know nothing about the oil business.


Me neither NG,..I was a Night cook and baker on Hercules-21 for Chevron

But I heard a lot and had a lotta late night conversations with company men,drillers,etc.

Its paying off a tad.
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1028. NttyGrtty 5:43 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
WOW! Chevron can afford bakers?...and we're giving BP hell for having too much money? Let's boycott Chevron until they get with the progam and fire all their bakers!
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1029. Levi32 5:44 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:


None of the other models show or suggest such a pulse occurring.


And yet it makes sense because the MJO is currently organizing over the Indian Ocean and Maritime Continent, which would put it in our area of the world around the end of the month. Furthermore, the El Nino is dying which favors the MJO running towards our area of the world while largely skipping the Pacific. That's why you see it here stopping in its tracks and starting to take a shortcut through the middle to octans 8, 1, and 2.

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1030. Patrap 5:49 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
No way..Chevron's got Spunk, and Better Crew and supply Boats by far.


And they have Cherry Coke at all their Interstate Gas Emporium Soda Fountains with Fried Chicken in Louisiana..and Miss.

Slurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpp..


Urp,scuse.
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1031. Ossqss 5:49 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Probably worthless for comparison to the oil flow, but here it is. I know, but I was on a break.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5031736098622232572#
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1032. MahFL 5:52 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
I beleive BP did say that 5000 was a low end estimation, so 10,000 might be actually true.
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1033. Patrap 5:52 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Obama decries fingerpointing, 'cozy' oil links

by Erica Wenerth / The Associated Press

wwltv.com

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Updated today at 12:31 PM
Related:

* Text of Obama's remarks on the oil spill

WASHINGTON --President Barack Obama on Friday angrily decried the "ridiculous spectacle" of oil industry officials pointing fingers of blame for the catastrophic spill in the Gulf of Mexico and pledged to end a "cozy relationship" between the oil industry and federal regulators that he said had extended into his own administration.

Obama said he shared the "anger and frustration" felt by many Americans, and he acknowledged differing estimates about just how disastrous the damage from the leak could become. He said the administration's response has "always been geared toward the possibility of a catastrophic event."

As Obama spoke in the White House Rose Garden, undersea robots in the Gulf tried to thread a small tube into the jagged pipe that is spewing oil into the water. The blown-out well has pumped out more than 4 million gallons of crude.

BP engineers were trying to move the 6-inch tube into the leaking 21-inch pipe, known as a riser. The smaller tube was to be surrounded by a stopper to keep oil from leaking into the sea. BP said it hoped to know by Friday evening if the tube succeeded in taking the oil to a tanker at the surface.

The Gulf spill is not only a potential environmental and economic catastrophe. It also is a major political challenge for Obama to demonstrate that his administration is doing everything it can to deal with the disaster. An AP-GfK poll this week found that to this point the spill hasn't stained Obama nor dimmed the public's desire for offshore energy drilling. Although some conservative pundits have called this "Obama's Katrina," that's not how the public feels.

Obama slammed BP and other companies responsible for equipment involved in the spill for pointing fingers at each other instead of accepting responsibility.

But he said responsibility rests with the federal government, too, and that oil drilling permits had been granted without appropriate environmental reviews.

"That cannot and will not happen anymore," Obama said. He announced a new examination of the environmental reviews that must happen before oil and gas development goes forward.

With millions of gallons of oil fouling the fragile Gulf ecosystem after a drilling rig exploded April 20 and later sank, Obama said: "It's pretty clear that the system failed and it failed badly." Eleven workers were killed in the accident.

There's "enough blame to go around and all parties should be willing to accept it," the president said.

He said he would not be satisfied until the leak was stopped, the spill was cleaned up and all claims were paid.

This week executives from three oil companies -- BP PLC, which was drilling the well, Transocean, which owned the rig, and Halliburton, which was doing cement work to cap the well -- testified on Capitol Hill, each trying to blame the other for what may have caused the disaster. Obama decried that scene.

"I did not appreciate what I considered to be a ridiculous spectacle during the congressional hearings into this matter. You had executives of BP and Transocean and Halliburton falling over each other to point the finger of blame at somebody else," the president said.

"The American people could not have been impressed with that display, and I certainly wasn't."

Not long before the spill the president had announced plans for a limited expansion of offshore oil drilling. After the catastrophe, he said those plans would be put on hold pending a 30-day review by Interior Secretary Ken Salazar of safety procedures on oil rigs and at wells.

On Friday the president announced there would be more stringent environmental reviews, too.

The Interior Department said those will focus on whether the Minerals Management Service is following all environmental laws before issuing permits for offshore oil and gas development.

"It seems as if permits were too often issued based on little more than assurances of safety from the oil companies," Obama said.

The standard, he said, quoting President Ronald Reagan's comment on nuclear arms agreements with Moscow, should be: "Trust but verify."

Still, Obama didn't back down from his support for domestic oil drilling, saying it "continues to be one part of an overall energy strategy."

"But it's absolutely essential that, going forward, we put in place every necessary safeguard and protection so that a tragedy like this oil spill does not happen again," he said.

(Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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1034. Drakoen 5:53 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


And yet it makes sense because the MJO is currently organizing over the Indian Ocean and Maritime Continent, which would put it in our area of the world around the end of the month. Furthermore, the El Nino is dying which favors the MJO running towards our area of the world while largely skipping the Pacific. That's why you see it here stopping in its tracks and starting to take a shortcut through the middle to octans 8, 1, and 2.



I never said it wouldn't come to our basin, rather that the pulse is weak on the other models. The GFS always has a tendency to bring about a strong pulse. The other models show it being weak or even skipping our basin.
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1035. Patrap 5:53 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Shucks,,someone wrote a entry about dem BP and Haliburton,and TO.. Guys 5 days ago,..twas something like,"Todays 3 ring circus"

Go figure?
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1036. indianrivguy 5:53 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
At 5000 feet, the pressure is 2200psi... 44psi per 100 feet.

5000 barrels a days equals 145 gallons per minute..

If the oil/gas is under 3000 psi, that is a differential pressure of 800 psi


On board my submarine we knew that at 572 psi.. our test depth of 1300 feet, a one half inch hole would let 240 gallons per minute into the boat...

That's more than 200 psi less differential pressure, with just a one/half inch hole. That riser is 21 inches across.. just how long is it taking for "three feet" (the height of a drum) worth of product, as Adm. Allen called it today, to emerge..

does it take 18 seconds?? because that is what they are saying, and this is just ONE of the leaks...

They don't want us to know the true extent of the leak.. that is why they tried using dispersants underwater.. out of sight, out of mind.. to hell with the "hidden" sea life. Adm. Allen today said with dispersants, it's a matter of which one is more toxic.. that's a lie.. the dispersant does NOT render the oil non toxic, it just sinks it and adds it own toxicity to the mess.

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1037. ecflawthr 5:55 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
Joe be is a hypist..always has been. Ask any Ol Lady in Boca who he scares every June 1.

Sheesh..

No one said he wasnt a good forecaster,..anyone can read the Data these days..and spit out a powerpoint on it.

We have 15 yr olds here doing that.


Notice how JB has Limited TV visibility the last few years.

FOX fired the guy,so that says a lot.
LOL


Joe B. brings in tone of money to accuweather because people pay for professional site to get his imput. I always pay for it during hurricane season and what I find is yes he does overhype but is pretty accurate. He also downplays to like last year. What I find funny is all these people on here that praise storm W and rag on Bastardi but if you read there forecast those two see things very similar.
As far as global warming if you actually go on there site it is tons of different blogs with different opinions. I have seen bastardi argue on video with other accuweather bloggers about that topic and more. bastardi is not Accuweather. Why is it when people only see what they want to see!!
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1039. Patrap 5:56 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
1040. Grothar 5:57 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting NttyGrtty:
WOW! Chevron can afford bakers?...and we're giving BP hell for having too much money?


Yes, but their doughnuts were very oily. (Sorry Pat, couldn't help that one)
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1041. Levi32 5:58 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:


I never said it wouldn't come to our basin, rather that the pulse is weak on the other models. The GFS always has a tendency to bring about a strong pulse. The other models show it being weak or even skipping our basin.


It's possible the GFS operational is a little overdone, but the GEFS has a weak and slow bias as well in the long-term verifications. Overall the models except for the Euro are going towards our area of the world and it makes sense given the global pattern. How strong it will be is debatable but it will likely be here one way or the other.

I am curious as to why every MJO forecast from the Euro I have seen in the last several weeks has had it all bunched up and stuck in the same area for the entire forecast. I don't know what's wrong with it.
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1042. FSUCOOPman 5:58 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
All of you people regurgitating the BP figure of 210,000 gallons or 5,000 barrels a day need to go take a look at the scientiest from Purdue's vid on the front page of CNN. He's stating using scientific methods to calculate that it's 70,000 barrels a day + or - 20%.

Link
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1043. help4u 5:58 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
The thing is Obama is president and is now in charge of the three ring circus.
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1044. indianrivguy 5:58 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Pat, thanks for all the links and info bro, I appreciate it.
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1046. ElConando 6:01 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
Shucks,,someone wrote a entry about dem BP and Haliburton,and TO.. Guys 5 days ago,..twas something like,"Todays 3 ring circus"

Go figure?


When I was first told Haliburton was involved with this, I laughed quite hard. My friend did not laugh. And then I laughed even harder realizing they are caught in another pickle.
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1047. Patrap 6:02 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Your welcome irg..

U betcha..
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1048. help4u 6:03 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
ACCUWEATHER site were opinions can be debated!!!Need more of that and do away with ignore blogger buttons because people do not want to here a different opinion.If you express different opinion here you get banned!!Except ultraman and about 10 others !!!
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1049. Patrap 6:05 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
U betcha..

And its Iron Man..,..




"We do not have real-time off-rig monitoring of what's going on on the vessel," Newman replied.

Part of Halliburton's contract on the Deepwater Horizon was to provide real-time data to officials on shore. That company was able to produce a chart showing events up to two minutes before the explosion. But that document would not be expected to show the key test results.


The chart indicated that shortly before 10 p.m., pressure in the standpipe increased sevenfold to 3,500 pounds per square inch. Halliburton had essentially two minutes' notice that something had gone horribly wrong.


Halliburton monitors temperatures and pressure in offshore wells through sensitive sensors and instruments often capable of transmitting data in real time to officials on the rig and on shore, said Jack Madeley, a consulting safety engineer in College Station, Texas.

"Operators like BP use that information to make sure the well is in the right location," said Madeley, who specializes in forensic investigations of rig accidents. "They need that to make sure the overall procedures for getting it cemented and getting the well secured before they pull the string out and plug up the well are done."

The data help BP and other well operators make crucial decisions about the formations where they are drilling, but it is not always streamed to shore minute by minute, he said.



Seven hours of data missing from Deepwater Horizon operations just prior to explosion

By The Associated Press
May 13, 2010, 10:35PM

A "black box" can reveal why an airplane crashed or how fast a car was going in the instant before an accident. Yet there are no records of a critical safety test supposedly performed during the fateful hours before the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded in the Gulf of Mexico.

They went down with the rig.

While some data were being transmitted to shore for safekeeping right up until the April 20 blast, officials from Transocean, the rig owner, told Congress that the last seven hours of its data are missing and that all written logs were lost in the explosion.

The gap poses a mystery for investigators: What decisions were made -- and what warnings might have been ignored? Earlier tests, which suggested that explosive gas was leaking from the mile-deep well, were preserved.
steven_newman.JPGPablo Martinez Monsivais/The Associated Press archiveSteven Newman is president and CEO of Transocean Ltd.

"There is some delay in the replication of our data, so our operational data, our sequence of events ends at 3 o'clock in the afternoon on the 20th," Steven Newman, president and CEO of Transocean Ltd, told a Senate panel. The rig blew up at 10 p.m., killing 11 workers and unleashing a gusher that has spewed millions of gallons (liters) of oil into the Gulf.

Houston attorney Tony Buzbee, who represents several rig workers involved in the accident, questioned whether what he called "the phantom test" was even performed.

"I can just tell you that the Halliburton hands were scratching their heads," said Buzbee, whose clients include one of the Halliburton crew members responsible for cementing the well to prepare for moving the drilling rig to another site.

Buzbee said that when Halliburton showed BP PLC and Transocean officials the results of the pressure tests that suggested gas was leaking, the rig workers were put on "standby." BP is the rig operator and leaseholder.

Buzbee said one of his clients told him the "Transocean and BP company people got their heads together," and 40 minutes later gave the green light.

The attorney said the Halliburton crew members were not shown any new test results.

"They said they did their own tests, and they came out Oklahoma," he said. "But with the phantom test that Transocean and BP allegedly did, there was no real record or real-time recordation of that test."

Buzbee suggested that BP and Transocean had monetary reasons for ignoring the earlier tests.

"The facts are as they are," he said. "The rig is $500,000 a day. There are bonuses for finishing early."

None of the three companies would comment Thursday on whether any data or test results were purposely not sent to shore, or on exactly who made the final decision to continue the operations that day.

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1050. Patrap 6:07 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
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1051. help4u 6:07 PM GMT en Mayo 14, 2010    
Why did Obama let them drill without proper permits?Follow the campaign money to the one.
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