Dr. Jeff Masters' WunderBlog

Quoting weathergeek5:


Today is the anniversary of the blizzard of 1978 right?

yeap the 6 and 7 of Feb. I remember that storm very well.

Quoting Ossqss:

Spread doubt, uncertainty and let's waste more time.

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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Spread doubt, uncertainty and let's waste more time.

You want doubts? Tell me what part of this article is incorrect as it relates to the UN activities. Forget the science controversy, focus on the UN activities and tell me where it is wrong ....... then check their website....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/ipcc_international_pack_of_cli.html

Quoting OldLefty19081:

I have no clue as to what you do for a living. I do know that manual labor is an honorable way to make a living so if digging ditches is what you do, you should be proud if you dig them well.

What I do is in my profile, and well known to most regs around here.

And I agree completely. Honest manual labor is a perfectly worthy endeavor.

And Oss must be dishonest as he keeps up with the new discoveries. LOL.

Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Does the animation go from 1 year to 2 years to 3 years...in terms of timespan or is year-by-year?

Cumulative 2000 through whatever year.

Quoting OldLefty19081:


You want to give us a source for any of this, or are we just supposed to take your word for it?

Here ya go. This is not a hard read :)

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12201-oldest-frozen-dna-reveals-a-greener-greenland.html

"Willerslev and his colleagues extracted hundreds of DNA samples from the ice 2000 metres down at the very base of the southern Greenland ice sheet, in a location known as Dye 3."

Quoting Chucktown:
Thank goodness for global warming - could you just imagine how bad this storm would have been without it !! LOL

Actually, global warming may have made the winter storms worse since December 1. Look at the link of 2009-10 winter storms I posted again.

Quoting quasigeostropic:
Its amazingly sad that people are so gullible to believe that a trace gas like Co2 can destroy the planet, when the overwhelming constituent of trace gases are water vapor....and even the AGW crowd admits(like Jeff Masters) that computer models have trouble simulating such water vapor processes...Demanding that AGW is settled before settling such huge holes in our knowledge about water vapor(and other extremely complex processes) is really immature and just bad science!

And when you hear people say there is an AGW consensus, they are lying.

List of climate skeptics

Computer models are an oversimplicification that only predicts the averages and not the extremes, and while water vapor is a stronger greenhouse gas than CO2, CO2 is the one we have direct control over and many more tipping points in the climate system will likely be passed as the general trend in global temperatures is still upward.

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:


Scientific opinion on climate change is given by synthesis reports, scientific bodies of national or international standing, and surveys of opinion among climate scientists. This does not include the views of individual scientists, individual universities, or laboratories, nor self-selected lists of individuals such as petitions.

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed the current scientific opinion, in particular on recent global warming. These assessments have largely followed or endorsed the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) position of January 2001 that states:

An increasing body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and other changes in the climate system... There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities.[1]

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion since the American Association of Petroleum Geologists adopted its current position in 2007.[2] Some organisations hold non-committal positions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Next.

In 1995, the IPCC 2AR was sabotaged by oil lobbyists from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait who insisted on weaker language. The skeptics and anti-AGW science lobbyists and hackers did it again in Copenhagen. Sacrificing the future of humanity, because it's cold outside?!

Quoting AstroHurricane001:Sacrificing the future of humanity

It will only get worse ... 2 major blizzards, floods in peru, mexico, cali, saudi arabai, israel ... etc etc etc ...

Pentagon said climate change is a threat now ... WHEN THE HELL DO THEY START TO ACT and stop this madness?

Quoting Ossqss:
I can attest that I checked all of the info that ATMO has provided, over a long period of time, and it is indeed accurate. He posts science and not propaganda.

Perhaps some of you could tell me what the sea ice in the arctic looked like when the trees were growing on Northern Greenland's coastline, or when the flora and fauna and bugs were in South Central Greenland for starters. Check the bugs, 2007 discoveries in mud from ice cores, verified by DNA folks. Can you find that on the AGW sites? Probably why you are not familiar with it.

Perhaps you can tell me the impact on high and low cloud formation by solar flux ?

To think we know, by virtue of limited models, the overall interaction of that which influences climate on a global level is just not realistic.

We have issues with this planet for sure and many are man made. Step back and look at the big picture.

We would not be having this discussion if science was not influenced by politics and it is far from settled :(

I still look for the truth, and have not found it yet.......

That state of climate was not seen while human civilization was around, and the current CO2 concentrations haven't been this high in 14 million years. Political influence is the exact reason why the debate still continues, while the science is prevented from progressing. Yes there are skeptical scientists, but they are missing the recent evidence that would most likely disprove their points. Focusing on every piece of evidence to try and disprove AGW is missing the bigger picture. Attacking the motivations of climate scientists is denial, and shows that one's arguments are weak. The world's faliure in Copenhagen coincides with the current abrupt changes in ocean circulation patterns that everybody missed while they were too busy arguing and forgot to look out the window. Global warming is happening, it has killed millions of people, and the skeptics are too busy attacking the science while the oil lobbyists give them money in their back pocket.

I say this is Gaia's revenge:

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
btw, the wiki link i posted is not correct - actualy it's from 2006. Someone must have sabotaged the wiki ... surprise.

Which comment was that? I can edit it back if it hasn't been already.

Quoting breald:


yeap the 6 and 7 of Feb. I remember that storm very well.

I remember the February 2007 storm rather clearly:

Link

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

It will only get worse ... 2 major blizzards, floods in peru, mexico, cali, saudi arabai, israel ... etc etc etc ...

Pentagon said climate change is a threat now ... WHEN THE HELL DO THEY START TO ACT and stop this madness?

Not anytime soon ....

The Indian government has established its own body to monitor the effects of global warming because it “cannot rely” on the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the group headed by its own leading scientist Dr R.K Pachauri.

Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Which comment was that? I can edit it back if it hasn't been already.

About the scientific consensus ... must be a few days back.

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

It will only get worse ... 2 major blizzards, floods in peru, mexico, cali, saudi arabai, israel ... etc etc etc ...

Pentagon said climate change is a threat now ... WHEN THE HELL DO THEY START TO ACT and stop this madness?

When the world leaders are actually capable of cooperating on a global issue. If not, then the individuals must take charge. Link

114. AstroHurricane001

It is the A in front that is the problem. GW has been happening since the 1800's. What proportion of the warming do you attribute to man? 3%,,,, at best? Any scientists here that can tell us ??????

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

It will only get worse ... 2 major blizzards, floods in peru, mexico, cali, saudi arabai, israel ... etc etc etc ...

Pentagon said climate change is a threat now ... WHEN THE HELL DO THEY START TO ACT and stop this madness?

When will you stop your madness and stop scaremongering. It's all part of a cycle. and have you heard of El Nino???

Wow, my Sister in law lives in Elkridge... she said about all you could see of her son was the top of his head when he was walking around in the snow today...

Amazing... 38"+ there...

Quoting Ossqss:


Here ya go. This is not a hard read :)

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12201-oldest-frozen-dna-reveals-a-greener-greenl and.html

"Willerslev and his colleagues extracted hundreds of DNA samples from the ice 2000 metres down at the very base of the southern Greenland ice sheet, in a location known as Dye 3."

"But when Willerslev's team dated their recovered DNA, they found that it was at least 450,000 years old. This would mean that the Greenland site must have been completely covered in ice 120,000 years ago."

That's before the Holocene, before at least four ice ages between then and now, and before human civilization was able to flourish.

Quoting AstroHurricane001:


"But when Willerslev's team dated their recovered DNA, they found that it was at least 450,000 years old. This would mean that the Greenland site must have been completely covered in ice 120,000 years ago."

That's before the Holocene, before at least four ice ages between then and now, and before human civilization was able to flourish.

Exactly, and it was green and warm :)

I wish the Kind Dr. would start a Climate change blog and leave this one to non climate change discussion

Quoting AussieStorm:

When will you stop your madness and stop scaremongering. It's all part of a cycle. and have you heard of El Nino???

Can you point out your claim in my comment please? I based my post on facts. If you want i can list it here for you to enjoy.

Further EL NINO can be attributed to GW. Maybe you start to acknowledge the facts. Australia will be one of those areas which suffer hard. How much heat does it need for you to understand??

Quoting Ossqss:



Not anytime soon ....

The Indian government has established its own body to monitor the effects of global warming because it “cannot rely” on the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the group headed by its own leading scientist Dr R.K Pachauri.

It could take more than 300 years, but will it? The false IPCC report doesn't neccesarily mean that the glaciers won't disappear in 25 years, but scientists are rightfully cautious with the more conservative figures, because the glaciers the main source of water for over a billion people in India, China, Bhutan, Nepal, Myanmar, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, Cambodia, and Turkmenistan.

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
About the scientific consensus ... must be a few days back.

Global warming articles on Wikipedia are extensively monitored and under probation. This means that disruptive editors can be temporarily blocked without warning. However I am against that because it would hinder additions that prove that global warming is having a drastic effect on ocean systems NOW.

Quoting bassis:
I wish the Kind Dr. would start a Climate change blog and leave this one to non climate change discussion

Maybe just bann the corporate denialist?

Quoting AstroHurricane001:


In 1995, the IPCC 2AR was sabotaged by oil lobbyists from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait who insisted on weaker language. The skeptics and anti-AGW science lobbyists and hackers did it again in Copenhagen. Sacrificing the future of humanity, because it's cold outside?!

I have the AR2 validation graphs, too, if you'd like.

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

It will only get worse ... 2 major blizzards, floods in peru, mexico, cali, saudi arabai, israel ... etc etc etc ...

Pentagon said climate change is a threat now ... WHEN THE HELL DO THEY START TO ACT and stop this madness?

Just a note... those things have happened throughout history.

Take a step back and look.

Quoting Ossqss:
114. AstroHurricane001

It is the A in front that is the problem. GW has been happening since the 1800's. What proportion of the warming do you attribute to man? 3%,,,, at best? Any scientists here that can tell us ??????

Sigh. What is with the 3% contribution MYTH? No, people have put more CO2 into the atmosphere in 200 years than the Holocene climate has added in 19,800 years after the peak of the last ice age.

Quoting bassis:
I wish the Kind Dr. would start a Climate change blog and leave this one to non climate change discussion

I could not agree with you more. I second that.

My appologies to the blog. Once again I was sucked into a discussion I did not want to have. I enjoy learning of weather. That is why I came to this blog. Now, I am part of the problem.

/There used to be great fun and learning on this blog all the time. Sharing like no other site on the web. Now, it seems every blog gets stifled by the GW discussion.

I simply cannot stand by and watch the continuous pumping of one sided propaganda that many take for granted as fact.

That is just me .........

Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Computer models are an oversimplicification that only predicts the averages and not the extremes, and while water vapor is a stronger greenhouse gas than CO2, CO2 is the one we have direct control over and many more tipping points in the climate system will likely be passed as the general trend in global temperatures is still upward.

Global trend has been upward since the last ice age. And, really, since, well, forever.

Quoting AussieStorm:

When will you stop your madness and stop scaremongering. It's all part of a cycle. and have you heard of El Nino???

The floods he mentioned, however, are correct. Here's another one that occured in January in Brazil, killing over 80 people: Link

Quoting TampaTom:
Wow, my Sister in law lives in Elkridge... she said about all you could see of her son was the top of his head when he was walking around in the snow today...

Amazing... 38"+ there...

And only 3" here in S. Ontario...

Quoting Seastep:


Just a note... those things have happened throughout history.

Take a step back and look.

You will have a hard time to prove this

This blog:
Thus, a one-two punch of two major Mid-Atlantic Nor'easters with 16+ inches of snow in one winter is something that should happen only once every 625 years. Such an event has not happened since the beginning of the historical record in 1870. The numbers are even more impressive for Philadelphia, which has had two snowstorms exceeding 23" this winter.

Or let alone blizzards, checkout the uptake in earthquake activity or floods, or droughts ...of course if you go back 50 million years - a climate we try currently to establish ...

Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Sigh. What is with the 3% contribution MYTH? No, people have put more CO2 into the atmosphere in 200 years than the Holocene climate has added in 19,800 years after the peak of the last ice age.

Can we get something besides a graph uploaded on Wiki with no credetials?

And the question was, what % is man adding to the temperature change? Are you saying we are 100% of the rise?

Oh crud, I got sucked in again... OK, I am out, have fun all :)

Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Sigh. What is with the 3% contribution MYTH? No, people have put more CO2 into the atmosphere in 200 years than the Holocene climate has added in 19,800 years after the peak of the last ice age.

Wow! Then the temps should be through the roof, no?

This is crazy! I was unaware of this happening this far south of us! (Im in Maine) We don't have a lot of snow here right now it's just bone cold.

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Can you point out your claim in my comment please? I based my post on facts. If you want i can list it here for you to enjoy.

I have been reading all your posts with monotonous boredom. It's fact that the planet we all live on goes through cycles, it has warming and cooling periods. To say that this snow storm is caused by GW/CC is just foolish. As shown by Dr Masters its only the 2nd most for Baltimore, the 5th highest for Washington, D.C and the 2nd highest for Philadelphia, and that is fact.

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
You will have a hard time to prove this

This blog:
Thus, a one-two punch of two major Mid-Atlantic Nor'easters with 16+ inches of snow in one winter is something that should happen only once every 625 years. Such an event has not happened since the beginning of the historical record in 1870. The numbers are even more impressive for Philadelphia, which has had two snowstorms exceeding 23" this winter.

Or let alone blizzards, checkout the uptake in earthquake activity or floods, or droughts ...of course if you go back 50 million years - a climate we try currently to establish ...

That proving works both ways.

Quoting AussieStorm:

I have been reading all your posts with monotonous boredom. It's fact that the planet we all live on goes through cycles, it has warming and cooling periods. To say that this snow storm is caused by GW/CC is just foolish. As shown by Dr Masters its only the 2nd most for Baltimore, the 5th highest for Washington, D.C and the 2nd highest for Philadelphia, and that is fact.

Hej Aussie guy if you don't like the NEWS than put me on your ignore list. Fade out the nagative NEWS and enjoy your jokes.

Quoting AstroHurricane001:


The floods he mentioned, however, are correct. Here's another one that occured in January in Brazil, killing over 80 people: Link

What about the Black Saturday bush fires here in Australia, would he say that is another? what about the 7inch's of rain we have had in some places here in Sydney, Is that also due to GW?????

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Hej Aussie guy if you don't like the NEWS than put me on your ignore list. Fade out the nagative NEWS and enjoy your jokes.

News, this ain't news what you post here. Its inflammatory, one sided, scaremongering crud. I so much wanted to say something else but I am a paid member of this blog, and I don't feel like getting banned over someone like you and the garbage you sprout here, It's just not worth it. BTW are you a paid member of this blog????

Quoting Ossqss:


Exactly, and it was green and warm :)

I think you're trying to prove that climate change has happened before. It has, but human civilization wasn't there to see it. Of course the climate has been warmer than what we're getting ourselves into, but then again again there of course were also dinosaurs.

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Can you point out your claim in my comment please? I based my post on facts. If you want i can list it here for you to enjoy.

Further EL NINO can be attributed to GW. Maybe you start to acknowledge the facts. Australia will be one of those areas which suffer hard. How much heat does it need for you to understand??

Please abstain from the attacks, but the El Nino Modoki this winter I believe is a direct result of global warming. The South Pacific Warm Anomaly Bulge now stretches to the east coast of Australia, Pine Island Bay, the Ross and Ronne Ice Shelves, and the Indian Ocean...

Quoting AussieStorm:

What about the Black Saturday bush fires here in Australia, would he say that is another? what about the 7inch's of rain we have had in some places here in Sydney, Is that also due to GW?????

You cannot contribute evrything to GW, but the long term trend - more disaster. Ask your insurance company or look skyrocketing money to get insurance. WHatever normaly you should not explain something liek this to someone who reads weather/climate blogs on a daily basis. Considering you read all my post.

Even if you are working in the oil/gas industrie you need to understand this. The time has come to stop with the games ... it is serious now.

I guess my point is GW is a valid discussion but it takes up so much real estate that you have to sift though tons of the arguing to find out what's happening now and what coming up soon that might effect my immediate life. I care as much as the next person about this earth but here I like to find out about storm totals, present watches and warnings and if I should stick my head between my legs and kiss my butt good-bye because they big ones coming

Quoting AussieStorm:

What about the Black Saturday bush fires here in Australia, would he say that is another? what about the 7inch's of rain we have had in some places here in Sydney, Is that also due to GW?????

I have noticed myself getting older in the last 30 years. Maybe AWG is to blame for that, too?

Oh, and I hereby report that the -80 F dewpoint that my NWS forecast included for about now did not happen. Closer to 32 F. (Yeah, I know is was a computer bug.)

Quoting AussieStorm:

News, this ain't news what you post here. Its inflammatory, one sided, scaremongering crud. I so much wanted to say something else but I am a paid member of this blog, and I don't feel like getting banned over someone like you and the garbage you sprout here, It's just not worth it. BTW are you a paid member of this blog????

Aussie why not start with an argument? I'm sure you will not get banned. But if you want to disagree with the overwhelming evidence of climate science, than you need climate science to disagree with. And now this might be hard for some, there is no disagree science with climate change. Get it?

Quoting Seastep:


Just a note... those things have happened throughout history.

Take a step back and look.

Yes, but if they happen all at once then it's El Nino. Throw in some big storms that enhance the SST anomalies and you've got a self-reinforcing global warming-enhanced Modoki El Nino.

Quoting Ossqss:


Can we get something besides a graph uploaded on Wiki with no credetials?

And the question was, what % is man adding to the temperature change? Are you saying we are 100% of the rise?

Oh crud, I got sucked in again... OK, I am out, have fun all :)

Just check the references here: Link
You don't need credentials to edit Wikipedia.

Quoting Seastep:


Wow! Then the temps should be through the roof, no?

Not really, because the climate system takes a while to respond to the increased greenhouse gases, but the momentum remains. So even if we stopped emitting CO2 now, global warming would still continue for several decades. However, the effects that hindered temperature rise for the past decade are about to let up.