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The climate is changing: the Arctic Dipole emerges
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:53 PM GMT en Diciembre 11, 2009 +8
The dramatic loss of Arctic sea ice in recent years has created a fundamental new change in the atmospheric circulation in the Northern Hemisphere that has sped up sea ice loss and is affecting fall and winter weather across most of the Northern Hemisphere, according to several recent studies. Arctic sea ice loss peaks in September and October, exposing a large area of open water that heats the air above it. This extra heat has helped drive September - November air temperatures in the Arctic to 1°C (1.8°F) or more above average over about half of the depth of the lower atmosphere (Figure 1). This deep layer of warm air has grown less dense and expanded, pushing the top of the troposphere (the lower atmosphere) higher. The result has been a decrease in the pressure gradient (the difference in pressure) between the North Pole and mid-latitudes. With not as much difference in pressure to try and equalize, the jet stream has slowed down in the Arctic, creating a major change in the atmospheric circulation for the Northern Hemisphere.


Figure 1. Cross section of Arctic temperature anomaly from 1000 mb (the surface) to 300 mb (roughly, the height of the top of the lower atmosphere or troposphere). Cross section is taken along the Date Line (180°W), from 60°N latitude (left side) to the North Pole (right side), for September - November for the 12-year period 1998 - 2009. Three year averages were done to reduce the amount of year-to-year noise associated with natural variation. Other cross sections along different lines of longitude show similar results, though typically with more warming aloft and less warming at the surface. Image credit: NOAA/ESRL.

A new atmospheric pattern emerges: the Arctic Dipole
In a 2008 article titled, Recent radical shifts of atmospheric circulations and rapid changes in Arctic climate system Zhang et al. show that the extreme loss of Arctic sea ice since 2001 has been accompanied by a radical shift of the Arctic atmospheric circulation patterns, into a new mode they call the Arctic Rapid change Pattern. The new atmospheric circulation pattern has also been recognized by other researchers, who refer to it as the Arctic Dipole (Richter-Menge et al., 2009). The old atmospheric patterns that controlled Arctic weather--the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) and Arctic Oscillation (AO), which featured air flow that tended to circle the pole, now alternate with the new Arctic Dipole pattern. The Arctic Dipole pattern features anomalous high pressure on the North American side of the Arctic, and low pressure on the Eurasian side. This results in winds blowing more from south to north, increasing transport of heat into the central Arctic Ocean. The Arctic Dipole pattern occurred in all summer months of 2007 and helped support the record 2007 summer reduction in sea ice extent (Overland et al., 2008). Overland et al., 2010 also found that the Arctic Dipole pattern tended to create an increase in easterly winds in the lower half of the atmosphere of 40% in fall, between 2002 - 2008. Fall 2008 through spring 2009 featured the old AO pattern. The new Arctic Dipole pattern re-appeared in June - July 2009, but the old AO pattern dominated in August - September, resulting in greater sea ice extent than in 2007 and 2008. The Arctic Dipole pattern was active again in October, inactive in November, and reasserted itself this December. As a result, Arctic sea ice reached a new record minimum for a 10-day period in early November, increased above record lows during late November and early December, and appears poised again to reach a new record minimum later this December (Figure 2).


Figure 2. Sea ice extent in the Arctic for this year (blue line) compared to the record low year of 2007 (green line) and 1979 - 2000 average (gray line). One could make the ice loss looks less significant by using the full satellite data record from 1979 - 2008 for the average. Image credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center.

Arctic Dipole blamed for colder winters in East Asia
It turns out that the new Arctic circulation patterns help to intensify the Siberian High, a large semi-permanent region of surface high pressure prevalent in winter over Siberia. According to Honda et al. (2009), this results in increased flow of cold air out of the Arctic in early winter over eastern Russia, Japan, Korea, and eastern China, causing colder temperatures. By late winter, the pattern shifts, resulting in colder than average temperatures from East Asia to Europe.

Arctic Dipole blamed for drier winters in Northern Europe
Francis et al. (2009) found that during 1979 - 2006, years that had unusually low summertime Arctic sea had a 10 - 20% reduction in the temperature difference between the Equator and North Pole. This resulted in a weaker jet stream with slower winds that lasted a full six months, through fall and winter. The weaker jet caused a weaker Aleutian Low and Icelandic Low during the winter, resulting in a more negative North Atlantic Oscillation--a pattern that usually brings reduced winter precipitation over Alaska and Northern Europe and increased precipitation over Southern Europe. A more negative NAO also tends to bring cold winters to eastern North America and Europe. Though it was not mentioned in the article, reduced Arctic sea ice may also cause dry early winter conditions in the U.S. and the Caribbean (Figure 3). The authors noted that strong La Niña or El Niño events can have a much larger influence on the wintertime atmospheric circulation, which will overshadow the changes due to Arctic sea ice loss.


Figure 3. Difference in early winter precipitation (November - January) between five years that had low Arctic sea ice (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009), and five years that had unusually high Arctic sea ice extent (1981, 1984, 1986, 1989, 1993). Note that low sea ice may be responsible for dry conditions in early winter for the Caribbean and most of the U.S.

Commentary
Arctic sea ice loss appears to have created a new atmospheric circulation pattern that brings more warm air in the Arctic, creating a positive feedback loop that causes even more sea ice loss. This feedback loop increases the likelihood that an ice-free Arctic in the summer will indeed come by 2030, as many Arctic experts are predicting. It's worth noting that such an atmospheric circulation shift was not predicted by the climate models. Indeed, the loss of Arctic sea ice over the past three years exceeds what any of our models were predicting (Figure 4). While we can rightly criticize these models for their inaccuracy, we should realize that they are just as capable of making errors not in our favor as they are of making errors in our favor.


Figure 4. Arctic sea ice extent from observations (thick orange line) and 13 model forecasts used to formulate the 2007 IPCC report (light lines). The thick black line is the multi-model ensemble mean, with the standard deviation plotted as a dashed black line. Image has been updated to include the observed 2008 and 2009 measurements. None of the models predicted the record 2007 sea ice loss. Image credit: Arctic sea ice decline: Faster than forecast by Stroeve et al., 2007.

References
Francis, J.A., W. Chan, D.J. Leathers, J.R. Miller, and D.E. Veron, 2009, "Winter Northern Hemisphere weather patterns remember summer Arctic sea-ice extent", Geophysical Research Letters, 36, L07503, doi:10.1029/2009GL037274.

Honda, M., J. Inoue, and S. Yamane, 2009. Influence of low Arctic sea - ice minima on anomalously cold Eurasian winters, Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L08707, doi:10.1029/2008GL037079.

Overland, J. E., M. Wang, and S. Salo, 2008: The recent Arctic warm period, Tellus, 60A, 589.597.

Overland, J. E., and M. Wang, 2010: Large-scale atmospheric circulation changes associated with the recent loss of Arctic sea ice. Tellus, 62A, 1–9.

Richter-Menge, J., and J.E. Overland, Eds., 2009: Arctic Report Card 2009, http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard.

Simmonds, I., and K. Keay (2009), Extraordinary September Arctic sea ice reductions and their relationships with storm behavior over 1979.2008, Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L19715, doi:10.1029/2009GL039810.

Wu, B., J. Wang, and J. E. Walsh, 2006: Dipole anomaly in the winter Arctic atmosphere and its association with sea ice motion. J. Climate, 19, 210-225.

Zhang, X., A. Sorteberg, J. Zhang, R. Gerdes, and J. C. Comiso (2008), Recent radical shifts of atmospheric circulations and rapid changes in Arctic climate system, Geophys. Res. Lett., 35, L22701, doi:10.1029/2008GL035607.

Jeff Masters
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1001. auburn (Mod) 4:42 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Chucktown:


Yea, those overunning events are tough to pinpoint. Always some snow along the northern fringes. The deep south always has a better chance at accumulating snow with a cold north or northwest wind which keeps all levels of the atmosphere below 0 C. If that Christmas system pans out, winds will generally be form the NE or E. Still could be a significant event if enough Gulf moisture gets advected in.


Any snow/Ice event is significant down here in the south...LOL
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1002. AwakeInMaryland 4:46 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
G'morning, Orca...you fixed your comment whilst I was teasing you; dang, you're quick!

How far south does that snow go?
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1003. PensacolaDoug 4:47 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:


I am not going to be happy until it snows on Ike and BF :) ohhh and maybe a smidge for Sarasota :)



Hey now! P'cola wants in on this!!
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1004. auburn (Mod) 4:49 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

Would someone please translate this from the Canadian to U.S.-English?


Ike and BF
2 WU bloggers

Sarasota a city in Fl...LOL
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1005. Bordonaro 4:49 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:


I am not going to be happy until it snows on Ike and BF :) ohhh and maybe a smidge for Sarasota :)


I know Ike, who is BF? The Ice/snow event will affect S La, S Ms, S Cental Al and the Western Fl Panhandle, according the the GFS 00Z 12-23-09 runs..

An interesting note on the NCEP products past 7 days, I from NOAA:

Statement on the Use of GFS Output Beyond Day 7

There is some concern about NCEP model variability from run to run, particularly at extended ranges beyond 7-8 days. The American Meteorological Society Statement adopted on January 14, 2001, titled "Statement on Seasonal to Interannual Climate Prediction" (Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 82, 701), states, in part, the limit of predictability for day-to-day weather changes for deterministic forecasts is "in the range of 1-2 weeks." NCEP agrees with this statement and notes that for current state-of-the-art models, the limit of "useful skill" is about 7-8 days. Beyond that range, deterministic numerical weather predictions are characterized by little or no skill and suffer from large run to run variability. However, ensemble or probability forecasts may offer improved predictive skill
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1006. peejodo 4:52 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Good morning! Sorry to see so much ice and rain; Pennsylvania & NY have dangerous icy roads but it will warm up and change over to all rain.

It's just chilly and rainy here. For those of you trapped in your home and dreaming of SNOW, which IS on their way -- here's a cute, fun, cheap item I found on my e-mail this morning. :)

Sno Storm
Free Style Foam Sled
$ 14. 99 each at ALDI


I am thinking about starting my own blog for inexpensive, practical "green" bargains and to deal with the recession; also items to cope with bad weather and hopefully avert and mitigate disasters. Fun stuff, too!

Any suggestions for a name for my blog?
Other than "Thank G-d She's Off the Main Blog!"


Ready-AIM-Fire just for the buyer
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1007. auburn (Mod) 4:52 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Looks like my snow chances are going away here in east cent Al.. :(


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1008. Orcasystems 4:54 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
G'morning, Orca...you fixed your comment whilst I was teasing you; dang, you're quick!

How far south does that snow go?


All the way past my driveway :)
I have no idea actually.. but I would assume all the way down into Puget Sound.
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1009. Bordonaro 4:54 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
News Flash, from Arlington, TX:

That yellow thing, some call the "SUN" is finally peeking out of the clouds, for the 1st time since Thursday!!

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1010. AwakeInMaryland 4:55 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting auburn:


Ike and BF
2 WU bloggers

Sarasota a city in Fl...LOL

(Chuckle) G'morning, Auby,
I could swear he fixed that sentence before my eyes...maybe I'm the one who needs more java! So, will you still "melt" if you go outside?
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1011. atmoaggie 4:55 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
What equates to the wettest Dec in NOLA? (I heard AIM say it out loud)

Pink is 10 inches + in the last 14 days:
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1012. auburn (Mod) 4:55 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
any suggestions for a name for my blog?
Other than "Thank G-d She's Off the Main Blog!"


Cheap Thrills
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1013. Orcasystems 4:56 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Ike.. we all know
BF.. BeachFoxx.. lives in Destin FL
Sarasota = City in Florida = Surfmom lives close by
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1014. auburn (Mod) 4:57 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

(Chuckle) G'morning, Auby,
I could swear he fixed that sentence before my eyes...maybe I'm the one who needs more java! So, will you still "melt" if you go outside?


No rain is gone and its in the 60s here today....LOL
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1015. AwakeInMaryland 4:57 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting peejodo:


Ready-AIM-Fire just for the buyer


FANTASTIC! Many thanks; I would NEVER have come up with something so clever! What a great blog.
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1016. Bordonaro 4:58 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting auburn:
Looks like my snow chances are going away here in east cent Al.. :(




Dallas-Ft Worth, TX looks like we're gonna get slapped with snow 2 days before Christmas:

The newest GFS run shows a lil' freezing rain on 12-23. Now looks like a rain event for us!!

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1017. AwakeInMaryland 5:01 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting auburn:
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
any suggestions for a name for my blog?
Other than "Thank G-d She's Off the Main Blog!"


Cheap Thrills
Quoting auburn:


No rain is gone and its in the 60s here today....LOL


You Dawg! Yeah, I'm Cheap, but I ain't easy (to live with, ask my husband...no please don't.)
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1018. Orcasystems 5:02 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Hmmmm I wonder if this will work????

Nope....

Try this link

Its snowing like it really means it now...
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1019. auburn (Mod) 5:06 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:
Hmmmm I wonder if this will work????

Nope....

Try this link


Thats nice!!!
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1020. AwakeInMaryland 5:06 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:
Hmmmm I wonder if this will work????

Nope....

Try this link

Its snowing like it really means it now...


Took a little while to load...worth it...how gorgeous -- is this your yard??

Patrap, are you lurking? I have a nice story for you...will save for later if no response.
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1021. Orcasystems 5:09 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


Took a little while to load...worth it...how gorgeous -- is this your yard??


Thats the camera on my pond... its fairly limited as its wireless... max of 5 connections.
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1022. AwakeInMaryland 5:11 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:


Thats the camera on my pond... its fairly limited as its wireless... max of 5 connections.


Lovely. If you ever come east, and if I ever get any money, please come set me up! Backyard & camera!
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1023. peejodo 5:12 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:
Hmmmm I wonder if this will work????

Nope....

Try this link

Its snowing like it really means it now...


Great shot ORCA ( a frozen Koi Pond in the Canadian Tropics) LoL! serious about the video though. Sorry couldn't resist the cheap shot!
80.2deg. F here with 75% Humidity.
Keep up the good work. I always enjoy.
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1024. auburn (Mod) 5:12 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:


Thats the camera on my pond... its fairly limited as its wireless... max of 5 connections.


I need 1-2 of those out in my woods to keep up with all the critters that decide to bump around on my deck at 3am...LOL...what range do they have?
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1025. Orcasystems 5:14 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


Lovely. If you ever come east, and if I ever get any money, please come set me up! Backyard & camera!


Its much nicer when there is no snow and ice.. and the water fall is running... you can watch the Koi.
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1026. Orcasystems 5:17 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting auburn:


I need 1-2 of those out in my woods to keep up with all the critters that decide to bump around on my deck at 3am...LOL...what range do they have?


It runs wireless G, I have two of them.
They are pretty limited in low light conditions... but pretty good bang for you buck at about $100 each..I have two. I also have underwater lights in the ponds so you can see the koi at night

I can watch them from anywhere in the world.
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1027. peejodo 5:25 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting auburn:


I need 1-2 of those out in my woods to keep up with all the critters that decide to bump around on my deck at 3am...LOL...what range do they have?

Howdy Auburn;
Check out www.X10.com
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1028. Grothar 5:28 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Good afternoon! Is anyone having any weather where you are?
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1029. auburn (Mod) 5:30 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Grothar:
Good afternoon! Is anyone having any weather where you are?


Not here...but it is 25F warmer today than it was yesterday at this time...LOL
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1030. Grothar 5:32 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
That is good to hear! Bye the way, meaning to ask you. Do you live near where they got lost in "Driving Miss Daisy".
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1031. auburn (Mod) 5:40 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Grothar:
That is good to hear! Bye the way, meaning to ask you. Do you live near where they got lost in "Driving Miss Daisy".

Its was all filmed between where I am and Alt...so yea ...The movie Norma Ray was filmed here in town


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1032. indianrivguy 5:43 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting miajrz:
#837, Atmo, is there something special about the ground you're on (eg, we're good at percolating water thru the petrified coral reef) or do you live on a --er, what's the word?--hill?


Biscayne aquifer.. one of the worlds most productive
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1033. Grothar 5:47 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting auburn:

Its was all filmed between where I am and Alt...so yea ...The movie Norma Ray was filmed here in town




Wow, quite a bit of history in your area. I remember hearing on CNN recently that the character on Norma Ray, just passed away recently. Did you ever get to see any of the filming, would have been interesting.
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1034. AwakeInMaryland 5:48 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Good afternoon, Grothar! Where are you today? I was serious about looking forward to your Trip Report!

This was from a post from Bordonaro. My gosh, if I had handed this in to a Writing for Broadcast class, or even to any of my gov't. managers, it would have been covered with red-ink and slashed, and I would be sent to Remedial Writing!

How about: No one can make accurate forecasts more than 3 days out; it is possible they might be able to get it nearly right about a week out.

YIKES THIS -- a model for WHAT NOT TO WRITE, new show after "WHAT NOT TO WEAR":

There is some concern about NCEP model variability from run to run, particularly at extended ranges beyond 7-8 days. The American Meteorological Society Statement adopted on January 14, 2001, titled "Statement on Seasonal to Interannual Climate Prediction" (Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 82, 701), states, in part, the limit of predictability for day-to-day weather changes for deterministic forecasts is "in the range of 1-2 weeks." NCEP agrees with this statement and notes that for current state-of-the-art models, the limit of "useful skill" is about 7-8 days. Beyond that range, deterministic numerical weather predictions are characterized by little or no skill and suffer from large run to run variability. However, ensemble or probability forecasts may offer improved predictive skill...

WHOOPS! Speaking of bad writing, Bordonaro did NOT write this mess; pls. see his informative post!
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1035. Orcasystems 5:51 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting peejodo:

Howdy Auburn;
Check out www.X10.com


Hmmmmm SWMBO said I could buy that system for Christmas... anyone ever try any of their stuff?
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1036. auburn (Mod) 5:56 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Grothar:


Wow, quite a bit of history in your area. I remember hearing on CNN recently that the character on Norma Ray, just passed away recently. Did you ever get to see any of the filming, would have been interesting.


I worked for awhile in the Mill where it was filmed...the movie wasn't far from the truth...and Union is still a bad word here...LOL...Opelika is also in the song by Johnny Cash » I've Been Everywhere...it is kind of a cool place...was stuck back in time for years...but that is changing sadly
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1037. auburn (Mod) 5:59 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:


Hmmmmm SWMBO said I could buy that system for Christmas... anyone ever try any of their stuff?


X10 has good stuff...I had the Home automation system years ago...I believe it was originally sold at Radio Shack
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1038. Orcasystems 6:00 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting auburn:


X10 has good stuff...I had the Home automation system years ago...I believe it was originally sold at Radio Shack


Ok, I will buy it and add it to my system... more weather/Koi cams
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1039. Grothar 6:01 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Good afternoon, Grothar! Where are you today? I was serious about looking forward to your Trip Report!

This was from a post from Bordonaro. My gosh, if I had handed this in to a Writing for Broadcast class, or even to any of my gov't. managers, it would have been covered with red-ink and slashed, and I would be sent to Remedial Writing!

How about: No one can make accurate forecasts more than 3 days out; it is possible they might be able to get it nearly right about a week out.

YIKES THIS -- a model for WHAT NOT TO WRITE, new show after "WHAT NOT TO WEAR":

There is some concern about NCEP model variability from run to run, particularly at extended ranges beyond 7-8 days. The American Meteorological Society Statement adopted on January 14, 2001, titled "Statement on Seasonal to Interannual Climate Prediction" (Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 82, 701), states, in part, the limit of predictability for day-to-day weather changes for deterministic forecasts is "in the range of 1-2 weeks." NCEP agrees with this statement and notes that for current state-of-the-art models, the limit of "useful skill" is about 7-8 days. Beyond that range, deterministic numerical weather predictions are characterized by little or no skill and suffer from large run to run variability. However, ensemble or probability forecasts may offer improved predictive skill...

WHOOPS! Speaking of bad writing, Bordonaro did NOT write this mess; pls. see his informative post!
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Awake, Bordonaro is one of my favorites on here. I did not see the post, but far be it from me to correct anyone's English on the blog. You know me better than that. I may cringe a little from time to time, but I refrain my ever doing that. If he didn't write it, who did? It sounds as if it were a joke. Can you direct me to the post. I need a good laugh!!!!!
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1040. AwakeInMaryland 6:04 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:


Ok, I will buy it and add it to my system... more weather/Koi cams

Will add to my as-yet-not-started Blog, under section entitled "One Who Dies With the Most Big-Boy-Toys Wins!"

GROTHAR, are YOU trying to IGNORE "MOI?"
(He always does this to me, folks...sometimes in German...which I refuse to learn out of sheer fear!)
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1041. auburn (Mod) 6:04 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:


Ok, I will buy it and add it to my system... more weather/Koi cams


49.99 and you get Night Vision...LOL
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1042. Grothar 6:06 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting auburn:


I worked for awhile in the Mill where it was filmed...the movie wasn't far from the truth...and Union is still a bad word here...LOL...Opelika is also in the song by Johnny Cash » I've Been Everywhere...it is kind of a cool place...was stuck back in time for years...but that is changing sadly


I get you auburn. Reminds me of another song, "The Times They are A changin'" Same thing happened to my town on Long Island in which I was born. Probably one of the most beautiful towns you have ever seen. Rolling hills, heavy forest, farms, seaports, and the finest beaches one can imagine. Most of the same families for nearly 300 years. Small town. I had been away many years and actually got teary-eyed when I saw the changes. If you know anything about me. I do not get teary-eyed easily. Progress they call it.
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1043. auburn (Mod) 6:08 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Grothar:


I get you auburn. Reminds me of another song, "The Times They are A changin'" Same thing happened to my town on Long Island in which I was born. Probably one of the most beautiful towns you have ever seen. Rolling hills, heavy forest, farms, seaports, and the finest beaches one can imagine. Most of the same families for nearly 300 years. Small town. I had been away many years and actually got teary-eyed when I saw the changes. If you know anything about me. I do not get teary-eyed easily. Progress they call it.


Progress sucks sometimes....
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1044. Grothar 6:09 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

Will add to my as-yet-not-started Blog, under section entitled "One Who Dies With the Most Big-Boy-Toys Wins!"

GROTHAR, are YOU trying to IGNORE "MOI?"
(He always does this to me, folks...sometimes in German...which I refuse to learn out of sheer fear!)


Awake, was ist los? Ich habe schon geschrieben die Antwort. Sieh auf! Try refresh and look at my response!!!! It is practically impossible for one to ignore you. LOL
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1045. AwakeInMaryland 6:09 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Grothar:
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Awake, Bordonaro is one of my favorites on here. I did not see the post, but far be it from me to correct anyone's English on the blog. You know me better than that. I may cringe a little from time to time, but I refrain my ever doing that. If he didn't write it, who did? It sounds as if it were a joke. Can you direct me to the post. I need a good laugh!!!!!


Oh, so there you are, finally, late again. I never wait at the bar more than a half-hour for a date. By then if I'm lucky someone has taken pity and bought me a mercy drink!

As for your post, LOL, pffft, uh huh. And Bordonaro is MY friend...he keeps me company while waiting for YOU. See 1005, btw. And it's in the book under "BAD Writing In Government."
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1046. Grothar 6:13 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    


This is picture of our Harbor on Long Island.
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1047. Grothar 6:15 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


Oh, so there you are, finally, late again. I never wait at the bar more than a half-hour for a date. By then if I'm lucky someone has taken pity and bought me a mercy drink!

As for your post, LOL, pffft, uh huh. And Bordonaro is MY friend...he keeps me company while waiting for YOU. See 1005, btw. And it's in the book under "BAD Writing In Government."


well, at least we know where JFV is working!!!!
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1048. charlottefl 6:16 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Doesn't feel much like December here. It's 87 degrees outside here in sunny S. Florida...Hopefully it cools off a little in the next week.
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1049. miajrz 6:22 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Lifting a glass in memory of Paul Samuelson, with Milton Friedman, the two titans of 20th century American economic thought (and whose views influence the GW debate and what to do about it.)
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1050. AwakeInMaryland 6:22 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting Grothar:


well, at least we know where JFV is working!!!!

Yes, that is quite the advantage, esteemed Sir Cheif (sic, LOL)!

Quoting charlottefl:
Doesn't feel much like December here. It's 87 degrees outside here in sunny S. Florida...Hopefully it cools off a little in the next week.

My offer still stands: TRADE?? (I figure if I keep nagging, someone will finally cave.)
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1051. auburn (Mod) 6:25 PM GMT en Diciembre 13, 2009    
Quoting charlottefl:
Doesn't feel much like December here. It's 87 degrees outside here in sunny S. Florida...Hopefully it cools off a little in the next week.


It has to be atleast cool in Dec
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