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Ida lashing the Gulf Coast; no change in strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:16 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009 +1
Tropical Storm Ida is pounding the coasts of southeast Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and the Florida Panhandle with high winds, huge waves, and heavy rain. At 6 pm EST, the Mobile, AL NWS office reported that coastal flooding had begun on Dauphin Island and at Fort Pickens in the Florida Panhandle. Surf heights of 5 - 8' are expected tonight on Dauphin Island as Ida storms ashore, and heights of 10 - 15' are possible from Fort Morgan, Alabama to Destin, Florida. Sustained winds of 40 mph were reported at buoy 42007 22 nm miles south of Biloxi, MS at 4:50 pm EST, and winds of 40 mph, gusting to 51 mph, were recorded at Dauphin Island, AL, at 7:06 pm EST.


Figure 1. Estimated precipitation from the Mobile, AL radar shows that up to four inches of rain has fallen over the Louisiana bird's foot of the Mississippi River. Heavy rains are falling in MS, AL, and FL, and will exceed four inches in many locations.

The highest surface winds seen by the Hurricane Hunters since 3 pm have been 70 mph. Infrared satellite loops show that the big thunderstorm blow-up responsible for the small patch of hurricane-force winds recorded at 3 pm this afternoon has waned, and it is unlikely Ida has any hurricane-force winds.

The intensity forecast for Ida
There is no change to the intensity forecast for Ida. The high wind shear of 40 knots currently affecting the storm is forecast to increase to 50 knots by midnight, when the center of Ida should be crossing the coast. With Ida now over waters near 24°C, some weakening is to be expected before landfall. We can't rule out the possibility of an isolated tornado when Ida makes landfall, but the Storm Prediction Center Discussion maintains that the airmass in place over the Gulf Coast is relatively stable, and prospects for an appreciable severe weather threat appear low. Winds of tropical storm force will be extend from Southeast Louisiana to the Florida Panhandle (Figure 2), but will not extend very far inland.


Figure 2. Cumulative wind forecast for Ida, issued by the HWRF model at 1 pm EDT today, 11/09/09. The HWRF forecasts that winds in excess of 50 knots (58 mph, dark green colors) will affect a swath of ocean from the tip of the Louisiana bird's foot to the coast near Alabama. Tropical storm force winds of 34 - 50 knots (39 - 57 mph) will affect a larger region, but will not penetrate very far inland. Image credit: NOAA/GFDL.

The storm surge forecast for Ida
Tides are almost 5.0' above normal at Shell Beach, LA (on the east side of New Orleans), 2.2 feet above normal at Dauphin Island, AL, and 1.7 feet above normal at Pensacola, FL (Figure 3). NHC is calling for a storm surge of 3 - 5 feet above ground level, which is a reasonable forecast even if Ida weakens further. A large stretch of coast will be subject to very high water levels for an extended period of time today and tomorrow, with battering waves on top of the surge likely to cause a significant coastal erosion event.




Figure 3. Observed vs. predicted water levels at three coastal stations. Top: Shell Beach, LA (just east of New Orleans); middle: Dauphin Island, Alabama; bottom: Pensacola, FL. The green line shows how high above normal the water is. For Shell Beach, it was 4.9 feet above normal at 6 pm CST, 2.2 feet at Dauphin Island, and 1.7 feet at Pensacola. Image credit: NOAA Tides and Currents.

Links to follow:
U.S. Severe Weather Page
Wundermap for the Gulf Coast of Alabama.
Long-range radar out of New Orleans, LA.
Coastal observations from the University of South Alabama.
Coastal observations from LSU.

Update on portlight.org charity errorts
The portlight.org disaster relief charity is gearing up to respond to any disaster needs from Tropical Storm Ida, and has sent a self-sufficient kitchen capable of serving 2000 meals per day to the Florida Panhandle region. They have another mobile kitchen ready to respond, if needed, as well as a truck filled with durable medical equipment and clinical/surgical supplies. Donations are welcome!

I'll have an update Tuesday morning.

Jeff Masters
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151. PascMississippi 1:48 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Here in Pascagoula, MS...
Light Rain and gusty from the North. I am one block from the Gulf. The Gulf is slick as glass off of Beach Blvd. The water is not even over the piers at the boat ramp.
152. VTG 1:49 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
West Pensacola here 7 miles north of NAS - steady rain and a few gusts - nothing that high

Winds seemed worse about an hour ago. I think the airport was getting gusts around 40mph at that time.
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153. aquak9 1:49 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
west end of cuba, still getting bashed, believe it or not
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154. atmoaggie 1:50 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Pfffffft. (You just heard Ida deflating)



Besides the airmass, also partly due to:
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155. Tazmanian 1:51 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Ida looks like a cold front in my books
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156. homelesswanderer 1:51 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting CaneHunter031472:
Getting 35+ sustained winds and about 45 mile gusts here in Gautier Mississippi right now. absolutely no problems with the power so far and not even my Direct TV seems to care (knock on wood).


Thanks for keeping us up to date on what's happening there. Hope everything turns out well and that she doesn't get too severe for anyone. We have dish network and cable here. I remember when we woke up in the middle of the night to an approaching Humberto the Dish stayed on until the power went out. The cable went out much sooner. And after Ike we came home on generator power the Dish did just fine. Cable came back on about a week after the power. Lol. And they advertise get cable satellite go out in bad weather. Geesh!
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157. beell 1:52 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

Yeah, I wouldn't turn a blind eye, either, but I just don't think she can do the convection necessary for the rough stuff.


Neither me, atmo, but I would expect to see 500-1000 J/kg SBCape get pretty close to shore.
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158. nrtiwlnvragn 1:52 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:
cmc did the best of any model...it had MS AL border pegged from day one...it also picked up on the yellow circle that we have out there now. I was impressed with the tracks. strengh was off a bit but track was dead on.


The stats from this site are not that impressive for the CMC. I don't know exactly how they calculate the error.
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159. HaboobsRsweet 1:52 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
there we go...got two really strong gusts there in gautier. def rattled the house a bit.
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160. Halyn 1:52 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
LOL .. I was one who missed the hyperjump .. at my age it is hard to be 'hyper' .. :) .. Glad I found you, though .. will now go back to lurking .. :)
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161. pcolasky 1:53 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
According to the IR loop the worst is about over. Looks like Cuba and South FL will get a hell of a band or whatever that is.
162. HaboobsRsweet 1:53 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


The stats from this site are not that impressive for the CMC. I don't know exactly how they calculate the error.

yea I am sure it did bad in intensity, made pressure readings and all that...I just remeber middle of last week looking at all the models and that one pointed right to the AL and MS border while the rest had that big right turn.
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163. HaboobsRsweet 1:55 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
recon just turned to make a pass through the middle coming in from the SW.
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164. Drakoen 1:55 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Not much deep convection around her core. Strong convection in the off-shore band that should slowly push eastward as Ida makes a turn more towards the east:

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165. CaicosRetiredSailor 1:55 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
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166. CosmicEvents 1:56 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting aquak9:
west end of cuba, still getting bashed, believe it or not

I believe it. That trailing tail down to Cuba seems to point to this storm dumping more rain and possible tornadoes over the whole peninsula, with SWFL and SEFL getting the worst of it. As the storm move east.
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167. atmoaggie 1:56 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:

yea I am sure it did bad in intensity, made pressure readings and all that...I just remeber middle of last week looking at all the models and that one pointed right to the AL and MS border while the rest had that big right turn.

I remember that too, and some other runs of CMC that were not as good, too.
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168. WaterWitch11 1:57 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting WaterWitch11:


i keep on trying to tell my daughter that, it doesn't matter how old you are you willing always be learning something new! if we knew everything what fun would it be?


ok I just had surgery (bone graph) and on meds, so my comment sounded bad.

there is always something new to learn!
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169. OSMS 1:57 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
The eye is still west of the Chandeleur Islands.

The 6:00 track had it going east
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170. msjayhawk 1:58 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
I am in Diamondhead, we are getting some pretty good gusts from the east and might be switching to the ENE.... It was straight from the east before sunset, which always makes me think that the center is south of me.

I remember during Katrina, I had evacuated to 20 miles west of Meridian (not the best choice :-) they were saying on the radio that they thought the eye was passing over Jackson, but outside, the clouds were coming straight from the north, so I said, I think it is over Meridian... Needless to say, it was over Meridian...
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171. atmoaggie 1:59 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Not much deep convection around her core. Strong convection in the off-shore band that should slowly push eastward as Ida makes a turn more towards the east:


Kinda looks like a wimpy Noel (during transition):

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172. bixms 1:59 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
some people amaze me....fore/wish cast it to their area and when it does not go their way...downgrade the storm to nothing/minimal. why?
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173. Drakoen 1:59 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
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174. nrtiwlnvragn 1:59 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:

yea I am sure it did bad in intensity, made pressure readings and all that...I just remeber middle of last week looking at all the models and that one pointed right to the AL and MS border while the rest had that big right turn.


It did excellent on the 8th but yesterday on the 9th not as well.
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175. LeopardMoth 1:59 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
<<< Lurking while listening to the wind and rain and fixing a friend's computer. :)
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176. StormHype 2:00 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:

It still had a few made up storms but handle the situation this year pretty well. Still always making them stronger than what they tend to be put positioning has been good.


Even a broken clock is right twice per day.

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177. LeopardMoth 2:00 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Ooo. Just had a series of power dips.
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178. fishwishin 2:01 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:
there we go...got two really strong gusts there in gautier. def rattled the house a bit.


Ocean Springs has had no house shaking gusts. Not even close.
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179. HaboobsRsweet 2:03 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
i see biloxi just hit 39mph...starting to pickup a bit
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180. eddye 2:03 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
so se fl is going to get the red part near cuba
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181. OSMS 2:03 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
haven't any gust like that at all either fishin, and I am pretty close to the water
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182. Jebekarue 2:05 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
anyone know when nhc is going to update again? curious as to where landfall will be
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183. HaboobsRsweet 2:06 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
def getting more 35 to 40mph gusts consitently now up in gautier...senors at MGCCC is agreeing showing 40mph
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184. BahaHurican 2:07 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Evening everybody. Still looking for the Eward movement before landfall. Right now looks more like the eye will be over MS at landfall....
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185. atmoaggie 2:07 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
On the stations on WU from Gulfport to O Springs, I see winds ranging from 4 mph to 40 mph. Wildly variable...
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187. unf97 2:11 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Anyone heard from CycloneOz and Pensacola Doug lately?
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188. wannamove 2:11 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
In Perdido Key...Very Very Gusty, power keeps going out...
189. beell 2:12 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0658 PM CST MON NOV 09 2009

VALID 100100Z - 101200Z

...NO SVR TSTM AREAS FORECAST...

...GULF COAST...
WILL MAINTAIN LOW TORNADO/CONVECTIVE WIND PROBABILITIES MAINLY FOR
LATER TONIGHT IN TANDEM WITH THE ONSHORE MOVEMENT OF TROPICAL STORM
IDA...REFERENCE NHC GUIDANCE SUITE FOR LATEST DETAILS. IN SPITE OF
STRENGTHENING LOW LEVEL EASTERLIES/AMPLE LOW LEVEL SHEAR...00Z
OBSERVED RAOBS FROM NEW ORLEANS/TALLAHASSEE CONTINUE TO REFLECT A
RELATIVELY DRY/STABLE AIRMASS INLAND AHEAD OF IDA.
..ALTHOUGH A MORE
MOISTURE-RICH MARITIME AIRMASS MAY REACH COASTAL PORTIONS OF AL/FL
PANHANDLE BY DAYBREAK TUESDAY MORNING. RISK FOR A TORNADO/CONVECTIVE
WIND CANNOT BE COMPLETELY RULED OUT TONIGHT...BUT THE GENERAL
WEAKENING TREND OF IDA/LIMITED OUTER BAND CONVECTION AND AN
INITIALLY STABLE INLAND AIRMASS ALL IMPLY SUCH A THREAT WILL REMAIN
LOW.
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190. TampaSpin 2:13 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    


Code Yellow north of Puerto Rico.....somebody said the Tropics was done.....but, they didn't tell mother to go home...
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191. OSMS 2:13 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:
On the stations on WU from Gulfport to O Springs, I see winds ranging from 4 mph to 40 mph. Wildly variable...


The one I am reading in Gulf Park estates is steady 8-10 with ocassional gust in the mid 20s.

I am seating upstairs in my office with a window open that faces SE and the curtains are barely moving
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192. BahaHurican 2:14 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Also, looking at this -



It seems Tampa and Naples Bays are in for worse weather overall than Mobile Bay.... though sustained winds are likely to be lower .
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194. jghanc 2:15 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Here in PNS, near Nine Mile/Jernigan, we're getting strong gusts, lots of rain that can't decide if it's falling down or straight against the (north facing) front of the house, and some idiot who just sped into the subdivision on a motorcycle.
195. watchdog40 2:16 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting jghanc:
Here in PNS, near Nine Mile/Jernigan, we're getting strong gusts, lots of rain that can't decide if it's falling down or straight against the (north facing) front of the house, and some idiot who just sped into the subdivision on a motorcycle.


Hows your power holding out, I work near north Pensacola, just wondering if we will have power tomorrow?
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196. atmoaggie 2:17 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting fishwishin:


Ocean Springs has had no house shaking gusts. Not even close.

Wait, you didn't notice the 80 MPH winds recorded at Ocean Springs?



By this station:

Didn't feel the 200 mph gust?

(Time for some QC coding at the WU...)
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197. BahaHurican 2:17 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Any word on death tolls in Central America?
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198. PcolaDan 2:17 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
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199. Keys99 2:19 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting pcolasky:
According to the IR loop the worst is about over. Looks like Cuba and South FL will get a hell of a band or whatever that is.


00
FXUS62 KKEY 100141
AFDKEY

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION FOR THE FLORIDA KEYS
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE KEY WEST FL
841 PM EST MON NOV 9 2009

AN AREA OF DEEP MOIST
CONVECTION HAS DEVELOPED IN THE SOUTHEASTERN GULF OF MEXICO WITHIN A
LARGE-SCALE CONVERGENCE ZONE THAT HAS SET UP BETWEEN A LOWER-
TROPOSPHERIC MEAN RIDGE AND TROPICAL STORM IDA. MOST DEVELOPING CELLS
WITHIN THIS ZONE ARE MOVING NORTHWARD...WHILE THE CONVECTIVE MASS HAS
BEEN NEARLY STATIONARY FOR THE LAST FEW HOURS.

CURRENT FORECASTS ARE ON TRACK FOR OVERNIGHT WITH WINDS SLOWLY
STARTING TO TREND DOWNWARD...MOSTLY CLOUDY SKIES...AND A SLIGHT
CHANCE OF SHOWERS. THE BIG CONVECTIVE COMPLEX TO OUR WEST SHOULD STAY
THERE OVERNIGHT.
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200. pcolasky 2:20 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting watchdog40:


Hows your power holding out, I work near north Pensacola, just wondering if we will have power tomorrow?


Not a flicker here yet!
201. JupiterFL 2:21 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Not much deep convection around her core. Strong convection in the off-shore band that should slowly push eastward as Ida makes a turn more towards the east:



Drak,
When do you think that tail will come through our area. I am supposed to fly out of PBI tomorrow late morning. Hopefully no delays.
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