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Ida lashing the Gulf Coast; no change in strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:16 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009 +1
Tropical Storm Ida is pounding the coasts of southeast Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and the Florida Panhandle with high winds, huge waves, and heavy rain. At 6 pm EST, the Mobile, AL NWS office reported that coastal flooding had begun on Dauphin Island and at Fort Pickens in the Florida Panhandle. Surf heights of 5 - 8' are expected tonight on Dauphin Island as Ida storms ashore, and heights of 10 - 15' are possible from Fort Morgan, Alabama to Destin, Florida. Sustained winds of 40 mph were reported at buoy 42007 22 nm miles south of Biloxi, MS at 4:50 pm EST, and winds of 40 mph, gusting to 51 mph, were recorded at Dauphin Island, AL, at 7:06 pm EST.


Figure 1. Estimated precipitation from the Mobile, AL radar shows that up to four inches of rain has fallen over the Louisiana bird's foot of the Mississippi River. Heavy rains are falling in MS, AL, and FL, and will exceed four inches in many locations.

The highest surface winds seen by the Hurricane Hunters since 3 pm have been 70 mph. Infrared satellite loops show that the big thunderstorm blow-up responsible for the small patch of hurricane-force winds recorded at 3 pm this afternoon has waned, and it is unlikely Ida has any hurricane-force winds.

The intensity forecast for Ida
There is no change to the intensity forecast for Ida. The high wind shear of 40 knots currently affecting the storm is forecast to increase to 50 knots by midnight, when the center of Ida should be crossing the coast. With Ida now over waters near 24°C, some weakening is to be expected before landfall. We can't rule out the possibility of an isolated tornado when Ida makes landfall, but the Storm Prediction Center Discussion maintains that the airmass in place over the Gulf Coast is relatively stable, and prospects for an appreciable severe weather threat appear low. Winds of tropical storm force will be extend from Southeast Louisiana to the Florida Panhandle (Figure 2), but will not extend very far inland.


Figure 2. Cumulative wind forecast for Ida, issued by the HWRF model at 1 pm EDT today, 11/09/09. The HWRF forecasts that winds in excess of 50 knots (58 mph, dark green colors) will affect a swath of ocean from the tip of the Louisiana bird's foot to the coast near Alabama. Tropical storm force winds of 34 - 50 knots (39 - 57 mph) will affect a larger region, but will not penetrate very far inland. Image credit: NOAA/GFDL.

The storm surge forecast for Ida
Tides are almost 5.0' above normal at Shell Beach, LA (on the east side of New Orleans), 2.2 feet above normal at Dauphin Island, AL, and 1.7 feet above normal at Pensacola, FL (Figure 3). NHC is calling for a storm surge of 3 - 5 feet above ground level, which is a reasonable forecast even if Ida weakens further. A large stretch of coast will be subject to very high water levels for an extended period of time today and tomorrow, with battering waves on top of the surge likely to cause a significant coastal erosion event.




Figure 3. Observed vs. predicted water levels at three coastal stations. Top: Shell Beach, LA (just east of New Orleans); middle: Dauphin Island, Alabama; bottom: Pensacola, FL. The green line shows how high above normal the water is. For Shell Beach, it was 4.9 feet above normal at 6 pm CST, 2.2 feet at Dauphin Island, and 1.7 feet at Pensacola. Image credit: NOAA Tides and Currents.

Links to follow:
U.S. Severe Weather Page
Wundermap for the Gulf Coast of Alabama.
Long-range radar out of New Orleans, LA.
Coastal observations from the University of South Alabama.
Coastal observations from LSU.

Update on portlight.org charity errorts
The portlight.org disaster relief charity is gearing up to respond to any disaster needs from Tropical Storm Ida, and has sent a self-sufficient kitchen capable of serving 2000 meals per day to the Florida Panhandle region. They have another mobile kitchen ready to respond, if needed, as well as a truck filled with durable medical equipment and clinical/surgical supplies. Donations are welcome!

I'll have an update Tuesday morning.

Jeff Masters
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601. GeoffreyWPB 6:20 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Lol Winter...
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602. tornadodude 6:20 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Lafayette, Purdue University Airport
Lat: 40.43 Lon: -86.93 Elev: 623
Last Update on Nov 10, 12:54 am EST

Fair

56 °F
(13 °C)
Humidity: 72 %
Wind Speed: N 5 MPH
Barometer: 30.30" (1025.9 mb)
Dewpoint: 47 °F (8 °C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.
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603. xcool 6:21 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
bad bad matt haha
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604. Patrap 6:21 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Short Wave IR 2

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605. sdcbassman 6:21 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting winter123:


fine it merged. but this "perfect storm 2" peoople were publicisizng is f******ing sad and there's barely minimal TS force winds being reported, and not even tornados. That's what I was saying. Doomcasters were dead wrong on this one.


True! Amen to that! Well said.
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606. GeoffreyWPB 6:22 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Winds were gusting to 30 earlier in PBC.
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607. Patrap 6:24 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
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608. SevereHurricane 6:26 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting winter123:


fine it merged. but this "perfect storm 2" peoople were publicisizng is f******ing sad and there's barely minimal TS force winds being reported, and not even tornados. That's what I was saying. Doomcasters were dead wrong on this one.
edit:
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Amen! SELA dodged the bullet again! Sometimes I just wonder how much luck we have left.
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609. peejodo 6:28 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Winds were gusting to 30 earlier in PBC.

GWPB: are your gusts out of the SSE also?
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610. 789 6:32 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
not a severe cane people without power floode d homes a rescue person dead ?
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611. winter123 6:32 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting SevereHurricane:
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Amen! SELA dodged the bullet again! Sometimes I just wonder how much luck we have left.


French people in the 1700's:
"OHAI! Lets colonize this place thats 100 feet under sea level because we're so smart" They should be glad they survived this long. One day the doomcasters and CMC model will be right. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but one day...
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612. Kathie39560 6:33 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
I'm in Long Beach, MS, and with my door open looking at the beach. Can't see much ;) Maybe if we got some lightning it would help. So far just some good wind & lots & lots of rain. Looks like it's centered just off the north end of Chandeleur Island about now.
613. SouthALWX 6:41 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting winter123:


French people in the 1700's:
"OHAI! Lets colonize this place thats 100 feet under sea level because we're so smart" They should be glad they survived this long. One day the doomcasters and CMC model will be right. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but one day...

"Perfect storm two" was possible I guess.. Never likely. Glad you admit your error in forecasting, for that I give you credit. Seems to be exactly what I expected though maybe a tad under 5-10mph or so. Could still tighten up a bit though. ( Not Ida, the gradient ) for the time being, gusts to 25 here in NW mobile ..
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614. LeopardMoth 6:42 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
We're starting another round of rain. Really we've gotten less than it seems like. The wind, though... we've got sustained winds near 15mph gusting over 30. Thankfully, we still have power, but with the winds continuing for an extended time, our power dips could turn into a power outage. I have a friend on the other side of P'cola who has lost her power, and, it appears, the power for her cell as well.
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615. 789 6:43 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
hey right hook now!
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616. LeopardMoth 6:53 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Okay, kids are asleep, I'm out! If I can sleep through Ivan, I can sleep through Ida.

G'nite, y'all!
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617. tornadodude 6:57 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting LeopardMoth:
Okay, kids are asleep, I'm out! If I can sleep through Ivan, I can sleep through Ida.

G'nite, y'all!


G'nite!
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618. GBguy88 7:08 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Just came in from Pensacola Beach. Entire west end is completely underwater, I'd guess anywhere from 2-5 feet depending on where you're at. I'd say the road to the Fort is probably toast again...waves were breaking over it starting around 9 or 10. Winds were very strong earlier...approaching hurricane force in gusts, no doubt. Mildly surprised the bridges never closed, to my knowledge. Real mess out there tonight.
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619. tornadodude 7:19 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
well, I'm out all, have a good rest of the night
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620. peejodo 7:21 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Winds here is east central FL have been from the SSE since before midnight avg. 3mph clear sky. I think that will change with in the next hour. I see a line moving in from the SW with some spotty precip. Is it still possible for IDA or her remnants to come down the east coast of FL?
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622. gnshpdude 7:22 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
GBguy,

I am near Gulf breeze and I respectfully disagree with your assessment. Having been through all the hurricanes in this area since 1985, I can equivatly state Winds have been no where near hurricane strength. Maybe one 50 MPH gust. Otherwise 30-35 MPH.
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623. Patrap 7:32 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    

NEXRAD Radar
New Orleans, Storm Relative Mean Radial Velocity 0.50 Degree Elevation Range 124 NMI

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624. drj27 7:37 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Good night all from ft.walton beach nothing going on here everyone have a great night and stay safe
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625. Patrap 7:45 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
G'nite drj27
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626. Patrap 7:47 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
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627. GBguy88 7:47 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting gnshpdude:
GBguy,

I am near Gulf breeze and I respectfully disagree with your assessment. Having been through all the hurricanes in this area since 1985, I can equivatly state Winds have been no where near hurricane strength. Maybe one 50 MPH gust. Otherwise 30-35 MPH.


The winds diminish substantially when you go back into Gulf Breeze. I was going back and forth between the two for a good portion of the day, and noticed the rather large difference every time I went across the bridge.
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628. peejodo 8:04 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
IDA Steering Layer 700-850mb - West Atlantic - Latest Available

Thanks Pat for the link. I guess the remnants are going through GA and out to sea.
I need rain here at home badly. I guess I was wishing.
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629. CaptainSassy 8:05 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Trusting all is as well in Uptown as it is in Midcity, Patrap? :)
630. HurricaneFCast 8:36 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Just would like to note, in about the last hour or so, you can see the initiation of NNE and NE movement:
Link
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631. lilith 8:52 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Hey - they just showed a shot of my old street in Bay St. Louis. They said it was Waveland but never mind. It was a brief clip about streets flooding. There was a yellow house, and then a blueish two story house next to it, both on stilts.

I bring this up because if they rerun the clip, take a close look at the roofs on those two houses. They are "hurricane roofs". I know there is another name for them but that's what I've always called them.

Both of those houses were still standing after Katrina. In fact, only four houses were left standing on my street after the storm and ALL of them had this type of roof. When I finally get the chance to build my dream home, guess what kind of roof I plan to put on! :-)
632. SouthALWX 8:52 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
I THINK i SEE AN EYE! (sorry it's 3am but I refuse to go to bed now of all times.. sleep deprivation is my enemy atm =/)
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633. TampaSpin 9:49 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
After Stalling near the mouth of Mississippi IDA is now moving ENE still over water toward Panama City....SHE IS STILL OVER WATER
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634. TampaSpin 9:51 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
She is moving South of the NHC points and is not going inland......Shear is hammering IDA
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635. TampaSpin 9:53 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
IDA after stalling sure is making a very sharp right hand turn.......this is going to fool some peeps tomorrow morning......HOPE you all remember my track i posted and most said that won't happen......LOL
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636. unf97 10:01 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Good morning everyone.

The exposed center of what ls left of IDA is located just offshore about 45 miles S of Mobile. That exposed center should come onshore in a few hours. The system continues to slow down in forward motion, which definitely signals that the long awaited right turn (NE to E/NE) will commence shortly. IDA's remnants will prove to be a significant rain event across AL, GA, SC and NC over the next couple of days. Nasty weather as the extratropical system is expected to emerge off the GA/SC by late Wednesday into Thursday.

I am hoping that IDA's remnants will not stall because of the flooding potential in those already satuated areas, especially in Atlanta area. Once all this mess shifts to the Atlantic, a much more drier and seasonable cool air mass will evade the SE US behind the exratropical system beginning on Thursday.

Have a great day everyone.
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637. LACajunKid 10:07 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
IDA after stalling sure is making a very sharp right hand turn.......this is going to fool some peeps tomorrow morning......HOPE you all remember my track i posted and most said that won't happen......LOL


Not quite sure why it matters at this point. The eye, if you can even call it that anymore, is more exposed than Pamela Anderson's chest right now. Shear has taken its toll on Ida and she'll be nothing more than just another Gulf Coast thunderstorm before too much longer. Its not like this thing is going to hug the coastline and pick up strength.
639. LACajunKid 10:16 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


kid go back to beddie bye......LOL.....guess you don't live along a beach.


I live close enough to the beach. I'm in the FL panhandle.
640. HurricaneFCast 10:18 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


kid go back to beddie bye......LOL.....guess you don't live along a beach.

No need to be so condescending...
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641. LACajunKid 10:21 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneFCast:

No need to be so condescending...


Glad you noticed that too.
642. LACajunKid 10:26 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
FCast, how much longer do you have left for your degree? I've been considering going into the met program at FSU after I wrap-up my undergrad. I don't know though....it took me 16 years to finish that one. Not sure I'm ready to fight another 16 for grad school. Haha!
643. TampaSpin 10:30 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
As IDA becomes a more organzied XtraTropical system from the transition......she is stuck between to High pressure systems amid the cold front. The Pressure gradient will now begin to tighten and the stronger winds along the Florida Panhandle may be yet to come as the Wind field begins to expand.

For those interested here is a good loop.
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644. CaicosRetiredSailor 10:31 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
I think we can now add:

PerfectStormDisasterCaster

to the "caster" list.
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645. TampaSpin 10:34 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
I think we can now add:

PerfectStormDisasterCaster

to the "caster" list.


LOL.....good one!
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646. HurricaneFCast 10:35 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting LACajunKid:
FCast, how much longer do you have left for your degree? I've been considering going into the met program at FSU after I wrap-up my undergrad. I don't know though....it took me 16 years to finish that one. Not sure I'm ready to fight another 16 for grad school. Haha!
I've got 2 years left. Haha, yeah well if you've already taken your general courses you should only have to take about 68 additional credits for a Bachelor's in Meteorology. The credit total on all four years for my degree is, I believe, around 132 or so credits, but I'm also Majoring in Mathematics & Physics, so I'd Imagine if you've got more than 60 credits completed it wouldn't take you that long for a Bachelor's. Never give up! :D
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647. TampaSpin 10:47 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Amazing that some of the early morning folks are already hidden to show......amazing.



Nice pic of IDA's COC on JSL just south and offshore of the Mississippi/Alabama line.
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648. LACajunKid 10:50 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneFCast:
I've got 2 years left. Haha, yeah well if you've already taken your general courses you should only have to take about 68 additional credits for a Bachelor's in Meteorology. The credit total on all four years for my degree is, I believe, around 132 or so credits, but I'm also Majoring in Mathematics & Physics, so I'd Imagine if you've got more than 60 credits completed it wouldn't take you that long for a Bachelor's. Never give up! :D


Actually, I'm 12 hours away from finally completing a bachelor's in emergency management. Thought about going for either a masters or PhD in meteorology. Seems to be a good combination of degrees in my situation.
650. HadesGodWyvern 10:54 AM GMT en Noviembre 10, 2009    
India Meteorological Department
Tropical Cyclone Bulletin Number SIX
DEEP DEPRESSION ARB03-2009
11:30 AM IST November 10 2009
=======================================

SUBJECT: Deep Depression over Arabian Sea

Cyclone alert: Yellow message.

At 6:00 AM UTC, Deep Depression ARB03-2009 over east central Arabian Sea moved further northwards and lays centered over eastcentral Arabian Sea near 13.5N 70.5E, about 470 km west-northwest of Mangalore, 420 km southwest of Goa and 670 km south-southwest of Mumbai.

The system is likely to intensify further into a cyclonic storm and move in a northerly direction for some more time and then north-northeastwards and cross south Gujarat and north Maharashtra coast between Mahuva and Dahanu by early hours on November 12th

Forecast and Intensity
=======================

06 HRS: 14.5N 70.5E - 40 knots (Cyclonic Storm)
12 HRS: 15.5N 70.5E - 40 knots (Cyclonic Storm)
18 HRS: 17.0N 71.0E - 40 knots (Cyclonic Storm)
42 HRS: 21.5N 72.5E - 40 knots (Cyclonic Storm)
66 HRS: 25.5N 74.5E - 20 knots (Low Pressure Area)
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