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Hurricane Ida hits Nicaragua
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:31 PM GMT en Noviembre 05, 2009 +1
Hurricane Ida intensified at one of the fastest rates on record, and plowed ashore this morning in central Nicaragua as a Category 1 hurricane with 75 mph winds. It took just 24 hours from when the first advisory was issued for Tropical Depression Eleven until Ida reached hurricane strength. Since reliable satellite measurements began in 1970, Hurricane Humberto holds the record for fastest intensification from first advisory issued to hurricane strength--18 hours. (Actually, Humberto did the feat in 14 1/4 hours, but this was rounded off to 18 hours in the final data base, which stores points every six hours). There have been six storms that accomplished the feat in 24 hours--Hurricane Florence of 2000, Hurricane Erin of 1995, Hurricane Bonnie of 1992, Hurricane Earl of 1986, Hurricane Kate of 1985, and Hurricane Kendra of 1978. Ida now joins that short list of rapidly intensifying storms.

Ida will dump very heavy rains of 10 - 15 inches over northern Nicaragua and northeastern Honduras over the next two days, which will likely make it the deadliest storm of the 2009 hurricane season. However, Ida is a relatively small storm, and has not tapped the Pacific Ocean as a source of moisture. I think the NHC forecast of 15 - 20 inches of rain is overdone. The greatest rainfall disasters in Honduras history--caused by Hurricane Fifi of 1974 and Hurricane Mitch of 1998--were caused because these were large storms that were able to pull in moisture from both the Atlantic and Pacific. Ida will not approach these disasters in magnitude.


Figure 1. Microwave "weather radar in space" image of Ida at landfall this morning, at 6:17 am EST. Image credit Navy Research Lab, Monterey.

The forecast for Ida
Ida will likely spend a full two days over Nicaragua and Honduras, and there is a chance that Ida will dissipate. The HWRF and ECMWF don't show much surviving of Ida after crossing into the Western Caribbean. However, the other models like Ida's chances of surviving, and it is the case that the storm's core will be tracking over relatively low elevation land (Figure 2), increasing the chances that Ida can survive the crossing intact. If Ida survives the crossing and emerges into the Western Caribbean on Saturday, moderate wind shear of 15 - 20 knots and warm waters await it, and some modest strengthening is likely. A trough of low pressure in the Gulf of Mexico this weekend should be able to propel Ida northwards into the Gulf of Mexico. The long-term fate of Ida if it reaches the Gulf of Mexico is hard to guess at this point, though the odds are against Ida hitting the U.S. as a hurricane, due to high wind shear.


Figure 2. Projected track from the 10am EST NHC advisory from Thursday, 11/05/09, overlaid on a topographical map of Central America. Image credit: Wikipedia.

Looking at the past to predict the future
Perhaps the best way to estimate the chances of Ida surviving the crossing of Nicaragua and Honduras is to look at past storms that have followed similar tracks, to see if they dissipated or not. History favors Ida surviving the crossing. The two best analogue storms occurred in 1906 and 1908. Hurricane Eight of October 10, 1906, hit Nicaragua as a Category 3 hurricane, spent two days over land, weakening to a tropical storm, then emerged into the Western Caribbean and re-intensified into a Category 3 hurricane that hit Cuba and South Florida. On the other hand, Hurricane Nine of October 18, 1908, which hit Nicaragua as a Category 2 hurricane, dissipated after spending 1.5 days over land. Three other weaker systems have followed paths similar to Ida's, and all survived the crossing and re-intensified once over the Western Caribbean. Tropical Storm Gert of 1993 hit as a 40 mph tropical storm, spent two days over land, and survived to re-intensify to a tropical storm before hitting the Yucatan Peninsula. Hurricane Alma of June 1996 hit Nicaragua as a tropical depression, spent two days over land, and survived. Alma later intensified into a major Category 3 hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Six of 1940 hit Nicaragua as a 45 mph tropical storm, spent 1.5 days over land, and survived the crossing. So, of the five storms to follow a path similar to Ida's projected path, four survived to re-intensify over the Western Caribbean.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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2001. stormpetrol 2:28 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
The center is moving towards lower pressure off the coast, with the help of the larger scale features.

Following that blob of heavy convection around 16.5N/83.5W, is that your thinking too?
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2002. Skyepony (Mod) 2:29 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Ida jogged east of north

anyone else seeing it?


Seems like it keeps reforming to the east, nearer the water. Nearly off land now. MIMIC
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2003. TampaSpin 2:29 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Ida jogged east of north

anyone else seeing it?

it appears it will emerge not later today but in a matter of hrs.


Yes the Saturday forecast by NHC was really off due partly by the change in direction more north....
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2004. Marlinzfan 2:29 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting gordydunnot:
Lastly on the strike topic even Andrew didn't hit Miami it was about 15-20 miles south in Homestead. Last Storm to hit Miami directly I believe was Cleo in 1963, 56 years ago so need to get excited down here either. They don't have to get that close to cause total chaos and destruction. Just trust me on that one. No forecast needed.


Actually Andrew's center went over what is now known as Cutler Bay (now a city was just an unincorporated area known as Cutler Ridge back then), halfway between Miami and Homestead, 15 miles in either direction.
2005. stormwatcherCI 2:29 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Convection really blowing up to the NE of Ida.
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2006. HurricaneNewbie 2:30 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Ughh the sea weed is going to cover the gulf beaches again.
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2007. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 2:30 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting Marlinzfan:


I was going to say, a CAT 2 storm is not considered a major, it has to be a 3 right ?
cat 3 is major hurricane but any hurricane can do major damage just not as widespread
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2008. TampaSpin 2:30 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
By the way the local mets should blog WU more often. Some of what they are saying is crazy.
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2009. Cavin Rawlins 2:31 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting stormpetrol:

Following that blob of heavy convection around 16.5N/83.5W, is that your thinking too?


yea..I mean its only reasonable to think if you are a low pressure you head to areas where its easier (path of least resistance)
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2010. Cavin Rawlins 2:32 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
Convection really blowing up to the NE of Ida.


Is it raining there in the caymans?
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2011. stormhank 2:32 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
would the panhandle area be affected by IDA?? I read the cedar key area maybe likely target and input anyone??
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2012. mikatnight 2:32 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    

Hurricane return periods are the frequency at which a certain intensity or category of hurricane can be expected within 75 nm (86 statute miles) of a given location. In simpler terms, a return period of 20 years for a Category 3 or greater hurricane means that on average during the previous 100 years, a Category 3 or greater hurricane passed within 75 nm (86 miles) of that location about five times. We would then expect, on average, an additional five Category 3 or greater hurricanes within that radius over the next 100 years.
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2013. stormwatcherCI 2:32 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
By the way the local mets should blog WU more often. Some of what they are saying is crazy.
I don't even listen to our local "mets" anymore. I get better information on here than I do with them. Any other Caymanians on here agree or disagree with this statement ?
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2014. hurricanehanna 2:32 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Morning all. Funny to be back in here in November looking at a storm. How close is she to emerging back over the water?
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2015. stormwatcherCI 2:33 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


Is it raining there in the caymans?
Off and on but not steady right now.
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2017. nrtiwlnvragn 2:34 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
1899. OSUWXGUY

You may be correct about an earlier Recon flight, last night AF302 was prepositioned to Homestead.

000
URNT10 KNHC 052347
97779 23474 50259 81100 23800 99005 1058/ /8015
RMK AF302 WXWXA 091105221152302 OB 05
LAST REPORT

Unless it will be taking part in the airshow this weekend at Homestead.
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2018. mossyhead 2:34 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Some might like to put you on ignore....I don't think that is a smart thing to say they should not be watching....JMO
I think he means do not concentrate on 1 spot. If you say 1 s
Quoting OSUWXGUY:
Right now Ida is feeling the trough off the east coast accelerating it a bit to the north...


However, this trough departs and is replaced with a sprawling ridge centered over AL/MS.

This should slow down the storm in 24-48 hours time allowing it to sit in a relatively favorable upper level enviroment over very warm waters. All comes down to the inner core redevelopment in my opinion..

Thank you for an very informative blog.
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2019. RitaEvac 2:34 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Already coastal flood watches on TX coast due to BOC system
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2020. FLWeatherFreak91 2:34 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Ida está buscando el agua.
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2021. mikatnight 2:35 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
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2022. Ossqss 2:35 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
1972 I did not write the quiz, the Palm Beach post did. LoL

1978 Just about all of the passes have been created by weather events. Charlie made a new on in North Captiva when he visited.



Coastal Change Hazards: Hurricanes and Extreme Storms
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2024. Cavin Rawlins 2:36 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting stormhank:
would the panhandle area be affected by IDA?? I read the cedar key area maybe likely target and input anyone??


The panhandle is the convergence point of the NHC forecast, the gale system, and the models. I'm thinking as of now that this is the area in line for the greatest effects of either Ida, the hybrid system or both.

Even if Ida does not move directly into the area, the moisture fetch on the back side could stream into the Panhandle.
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2025. Saltydogbwi1 2:36 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
couldnt agree more!
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
I don't even listen to our local "mets" anymore. I get better information on here than I do with them. Any other Caymanians on here agree or disagree with this statement ?
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2026. stormwatcherCI 2:36 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting FLWeatherFreak91:
Ida está buscando el agua.
Concuerdo completamente con esto
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2028. stormwatcherCI 2:37 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting mikatnight:
Can you find this for the Caribbean too ?
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2029. mossyhead 2:37 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting stormhank:
would the panhandle area be affected by IDA?? I read the cedar key area maybe likely target and input anyone??
Right now it is too early to tell. They will know better in a day or 2. There is too many variables.
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2030. mikatnight 2:37 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
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2031. stormwatcherCI 2:37 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting Saltydogbwi1:
couldnt agree more!
Where are you ?
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2032. BurnedAfterPosting 2:38 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Some might like to put you on ignore....I don't think that is a smart thing to say they should not be watching....JMO


That was my point, the person I responded to said that Tampa needed to not worry or watch

I did not say that, I do think people need to watch this
2033. mossyhead 2:38 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting P451:
There is still a lot of shear going on in the GOM.
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2034. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 2:38 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Weather456 do you think Ida will be weaker than the discussion forecasts over the next 5 days, about the same, or stronger?
not 456 but i say at the moment SSIGA it appears if timed right it may spin itself up rather fast as soon as the feet get back in the water iam hoping for big and slow but it looks like it will be small and fast maybe less than 6 hrs to spin back up
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2035. Cavin Rawlins 2:39 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Weather456 do you think Ida will be weaker than the discussion forecasts over the next 5 days, about the same, or stronger?


I do not read the area forecast discussion for the USA. Only the NHC forecast discussion and I think the intensity forecast in the NHC discussion is slightly underestimated. But I do not blame them for underestimating Ida, they are being conservative since intensity forecast are not that easy.
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2036. Orcasystems 2:39 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
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2037. stormpetrol 2:41 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Link
Check out this webcam of downtown, Grand Cayman
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2039. mossyhead 2:41 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


The panhandle is the convergence point of the NHC forecast, the gale system, and the models. I'm thinking as of now that this is the area in line for the greatest effects of either Ida, the hybrid system or both.

Even if Ida does not move directly into the area, the moisture fetch on the back side could stream into the Panhandle.
Thanks for that information, i live in the same area as Ike. So rain no matter what Ida does.
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2040. RitaEvac 2:41 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Looks to spin up pretty good back over water, but its not gonna be like that if it gets to Gulf, will weaken and be much weaker, due to shear, front, hyrbrid system causing pandomoneum
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2041. TampaSpin 2:41 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


That was my point, the person I responded to said that Tampa needed to not worry or watch


Oh my bad.....don't put BAP on ignore then....LOL....sorry.....LMAO
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2042. Cavin Rawlins 2:41 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Ida is east of the 1800Z point. She is 3 hrs ahead of schedule and further east.
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2043. gordydunnot 2:41 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Thanks Stormchaser bad typist and mathematician oh will at least I got the miles south of Miami right but for what ever reason I believe there was a lot more damage in Homestead than Miami proper.Well I was just making the point if a storm hits 50 miles away and you catch a Tornado or a river,stream,floods your neighborhood you got the storm. Hey even try losing your power for two weeks not fun.
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2044. Seflhurricane 2:42 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


I do not read the area forecast discussion for the USA. Only the NHC forecast discussion and I think the intensity forecast in the NHC discussion is slightly underestimated. But I do not blame them for underestimating Ida, they are being conservative since intensity forecast are not that easy.
weather is there a strong possibility of a hurricane charley style track and Sw Florida dealing with a strong tropical storm, i know its too early but thats what i am seeing at the moment ???
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2045. BurnedAfterPosting 2:43 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Oh my bad.....don't put BAP on ignore then....LOL....sorry.....LMAO


lol thanks I was like huh?

I figured you might have read the post wrong, maybe it was the way I worded it
2047. OSUWXGUY 2:43 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
1899. OSUWXGUY

You may be correct about an earlier Recon flight, last night AF302 was prepositioned to Homestead.

000
URNT10 KNHC 052347
97779 23474 50259 81100 23800 99005 1058/ /8015
RMK AF302 WXWXA 091105221152302 OB 05
LAST REPORT

Unless it will be taking part in the airshow this weekend at Homestead.


That's interesting...thanks for the update...you always seem to find obscure, but pertinent info on stuff!

Quite possibly the last storm to fly in for the season, so why not in my book...especially considering that there is essentially no chance of it not hitting land somewhere.
2048. WxLogic 2:44 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Ida is east of the 1800Z point. She is 3 hrs ahead of schedule and further east.


Couldn't agree more... Awaiting NHC update at 10AM or in 15 min or so... to see what they have to say.
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2049. Cavin Rawlins 2:44 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting RitaEvac:
Looks to spin up pretty good back over water, but its not gonna be like that if it gets to Gulf, will weaken and be much weaker, due to shear, front, hyrbrid system causing pandomoneum


What if Ida becomes absorbed into the system. Shear intensifies the perfect storm through baroclinic forcing. Either way, rain, and lots of rain heading for the Gulf coast.
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2050. stormwatcherCI 2:44 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Quoting gordydunnot:
Thanks Stormchaser bad typist and mathematician oh will at least I got the miles south of Miami right but for what ever reason I believe there was a lot more damage in Homestead than Miami proper.Well I was just making the point if a storm hits 50 miles away and you catch a Tornado or a river,stream,floods your neighborhood you got the storm. Hey even try losing your power for two weeks not fun.
The further south you went the worse the damage was. My parents lived in Kendall then and they lost part of their garage roof and some other neighbors had damage but just a couple miles south damage was terrible.
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2051. lovinkeyslife 2:44 PM GMT en Noviembre 06, 2009    
Morning all,
We are in Key West watchin this storm...I'm new here and tryin to learn still so forgive me if it's already been asked but - chances of Ida hittin the Keys? My parents are in Ft. Myers, we are tryin to figure out if they come here or us go there if this ultimately hits Fl. I love readin all yalls posts! Great site..

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