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Little change to Erika; Jimena makes landfall as a Category 2 hurricane
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:30 PM GMT en Septiembre 02, 2009 +2
Tropical Storm Erika remains weak and disorganized, and the future track and intensity of the storm remain highly uncertain. The center has jumped several times over the past 12 hours, and now lies exposed to view, west of the main area of heavy thunderstorms. Radar animations out of Martinique show little organization of the echoes, and satellite imagery shows no low-level spiral bands or upper-level outflow. Wind shear analyses from the University of Wisconsin diagnose a moderate 10 - 15 knots of shear over Erika, a decrease from yesterday. SSTs are warm, 29°C. The Hurricane Hunters are in the storm now, and have found a slight increase in the surface winds, up to 45 mph. They noted that the surface center was displaced 12 miles north of the center they found at 1500 feet, which is the sign of a disorganized storm undergoing wind shear.

The forecast for Erika
Erika is embedded in a weak steering current pattern, and the storm's current state of disorganization is allowing the center to make random jumps as it reforms near the heaviest thunderstorm activity. This makes for a low-confidence forecast. The future track of the storm will depend upon how strong the storm gets over the next few days. A stronger Erika will extend higher into the atmosphere and be steered more to the northwest by upper-level winds. A weaker Erika will be steered more by the low-level winds, which will keep the storm on a more westerly track. The intensity forecast models did a poor job with Tropical Storm Danny last week, and appear to be repeating that poor performance with Erika. All of the major intensity forecast models predict substantial strengthening of Erika. This seems unlikely to occur, given the storm's current disorganization, and the predicted increase in wind shear along the path of Erika to 20 - 25 knots 3 - 5 days from now. The more southerly than expected track of the storm also brings the possibility that Erika will encounter the high mountains of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola. The GFS, GFDL, and Canadian models predict Erika will pass near Puerto Rico on Friday, then move over Hispaniola on Saturday. Erika in its current weak state would probably not survive an encounter with these islands. A wide range of scenarios is still possible for Erika, from outright dissipation (as forecast by the GFS, Canadian, and ECMWF models) to intensification to a Category 3 hurricane (as forecast by the HWRF model). Erika is a long-term threat to the Bahamas and U.S. East Coast if it is still around five days from now. Potential landfall locations range from Florida on Tuesday to North Carolina on Wednesday. The NOGAPS model has Erika potentially missing the U.S. entirely, scooting northwards between North Carolina and Bermuda. My current expectation is that Erika will dissipate on Saturday when it encounters Hispaniola.


Figure 1. Afternoon image of Tropical Storm Erika. The swirl of clouds just west of Guadeloupe island is the center. This center was what I had labeled a "false center" in this morning's post, and has taken over as the main center this afternoon.

Hurricane Jimena hits Baja
Hurricane Jimena made lanndfall on Mexico's Baja Peninsula late this morning near Cabo San Lazaro as a Category 2 hurricane with 100 mph winds. Jimena is the 2nd strongest hurricane to hit Baja's west coast since record keeping began in 1949. The only stronger storm was Hurricane Norbert, which made landfall in 2008 on the central Baja coast with sustained winds of 105 mph. Jimena has now weakened to a Category 1 storm, and will continue to weaken as it hits colder waters and interacts with land. No deaths or major damage have been reported from the storm.


Figure 2. Hurricane Jimena on Tuesday, Sep. 1, 2009, as seen by NASA's MODIS instrument. Image credit: NASA Earth Observatory.

California fire webcams
As I discussed in yesterday morning's post, you can use our wundermap for Los Angeles with the fire layer turned on to see where the fire and smoke are located, and track the temperatures and winds during today's air pollution event. We also have two webcams with views of the fire: Altadena and Tujunga.

I'll have an update Thursday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1551. Stoopid1 1:48 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Center reforming?:


From what I've seen, it's very possible. In fact, I this new center may become dominant. That would likely take Erika farther north and fend off dissipation. For now.
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1552. MiamiHurricanes09 1:48 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
IF the northern LLC is the dominating one and Erika begins WNW movement quickly then I would have to say Florida might be in for a hell of a surprise.

BUT not so fast, it is still moving west:
Looks to be moving at around 10 MPH now.
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1553. ssmate 1:48 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Interesting take on things Zoo.
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1554. TheDawnAwakening 1:48 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Oh thanks Drak, I had an idea of what it was, but thanks for that clarification. So do you think Erika will have a better chance at strengthening if indeed the northern coc is indeed the more dominant one?
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1555. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 1:49 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
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1556. OracleDeAtlantis 1:49 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
McAfee just blocked a trojan when signing on to this site, which is a first for me. The name of the critter is JS/Exploit-Packed.c.gen. This site was the only thing I had open in my browser.

I also can't quote anyone tonight, which is new.
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1557. thegoldenstrand 1:49 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
So.. were those who posted that this storm was due to RIP.. not rip it up but rest in peace correct. While it bears watching if something happens, it sure has had its difficulties.. could it just hang out and not move from where it is for a while?
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1558. Patrap 1:49 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
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1559. midgulfmom 1:50 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


The Northern one has the better lower level convergence signature as well as more convection. This would lead one to assume that it has the best chance of becoming the new center.

Having said that, the center to the SW of Guadeloupe has an established "spin" but convection and convergence is not as good. Odds are that this one loses the race to be the dominant center but Erika has been an enigma from the beginning.

The moral of the story is that what should happen may not happen, but then again it just might.

That is the nature of an enigma.
Especially one wrapped in a riddle, lol, thanks, will be interesting to see.
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1560. MiamiHurricanes09 1:50 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
looks like it is moving WNW my friend.
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1561. nyhurricaneboy 1:50 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


The Northern one has the better lower level convergence signature as well as more convection. This would lead one to assume that it has the best chance of becoming the new center.

Having said that, the center to the SW of Guadeloupe has an established "spin" but convection and convergence is not as good. Odds are that this one loses to race to be the dominant center but Erika has been an enigma from the beginning.

The moral of the story is that what should happen may not happen, but then again it just might.

That is the nature of an enigma.


The NHC forecast appears to be in favor of the northernmost circulation. This could be something only if it "does a Jeanne" (see my last comment). However, if the southern center defies the odds and dominates, things could get interesting, and quick. The SSTs are higher, wind shear is lower, and the environment is just overall more favorable for development.
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1562. kmanislander 1:50 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting OracleDeAtlantis:
McAfee just blocked a trojan when signing on to this site, which is a first for me. The name of the critter is JS/Exploit-Packed.c.gen. This site was the only thing I had open in my browser.

I also can't quote anyone tonight, which is new.


Dr M posted a note earlier that McAfee has a false positive for this site.
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1563. tkeith 1:50 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting southfla:
Great post, zoomiami!
yep...
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1564. HIEXPRESS 1:51 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting TexNowNM:
Someone mentioned a good book about the Labor Day hurricane. What was it? I was running out the door and didn't write it down. I am always on he lookout for books about historical hurricanes. Feel free to recommend, and I appreciate it in advance.

By the way, no book would be too arcane or archaic, as long as the documentation is decent. (Many of your are Meteorologist; I'm an historian.)

Thanks

I don't have any, but look here, & scroll down to book reviews.
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1565. Joshfsu123 1:51 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Center reforming?:


Yeppers, just off to the west of the new thunderstorm blow up, imo.
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1566. GeoffreyWPB 1:51 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Nothing's going to form in the GOM anytime soon.
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1567. jipmg 1:52 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
North LLC is moving towards puerto rico
1568. MiamiHurricanes09 1:52 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Erika,Multiplatform Satellite Surface Wind Analysis,wind Field 00 UTC 3 Sept
Interesting analysis there, because this is based on satellite so it occasionally going to have its error's and well this is one of it's error's, I know for a fact that there is no way in hell that Erika has such a well defined circulation.
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1569. Drakoen 1:52 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting TheDawnAwakening:
Oh thanks Drak, I had an idea of what it was, but thanks for that clarification. So do you think Erika will have a better chance at strengthening if indeed the northern coc is indeed the more dominant one?


It will have a better chance but will still be combating shear
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1570. surfsidesindy 1:52 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
1550. tornadodude

I'm in Merritt Island, East Central Florida.
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1571. stormwatcherCI 1:52 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting stormpetrol:
I actually think the new COC is slightly below 15N
Wouldn't it really be weird if the two circulations split and became two separate entities.
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1572. Stormchaser2007 1:52 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
IF the northern LLC is the dominating one and Erika begins WNW movement quickly then I would have to say Florida might be in for a hell of a surprise.

BUT not so fast, it is still moving west:


Shear would likely accompany it if it gets near the Bahamas. I doubt it would be much of a surprise let alone much of a storm.
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1573. MiamiHurricanes09 1:53 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
If the northern LLC is the dominant one then the NHC will have to move the come northerly a bit, and make the cone 5 days long.
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1574. jipmg 1:54 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
Wouldn't it really be weird if the two circulations split and became two separate entities.


mhm it could happen, there convection is catching up to the current LLC, and the Northern one is erupting..
1575. Patrap 1:54 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Interesting analysis there, because this is based on satellite so it occasionally going to have its error's and well this is one of it's error's, I know for a fact that there is no way in hell that Erika has such a well defined circulation.


LOL..your way in over yer head on that sport..
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1576. masonsnana 1:54 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Hostile shear would likely accompany it if it gets near the Bahamas. I doubt it would be much of a surprise.

Dr. Lyons saying that TS Erica will be TD at 11pm update...any thoughts?????
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1577. tornadodude 1:54 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting surfsidesindy:
1550. tornadodude

I'm in Merritt Island, East Central Florida.


oh ok, I saw "indy" in your name, and thought indiana, but i believe that it is your name, Sindy? lol sorry
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1578. cybergrump 1:54 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
I see spins everywhere in this blob which one is gonna be the final center. I believe the one with the new convention blow up.
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1579. thegoldenstrand 1:54 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
<>IMG src="http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/marti/2009_06L/webManagerIR/gifsBy12hr_03.gif" width="468" height="419" alt="">


Are those ghosts??? re post 1555 Well the shear sure has been ghosts busting.
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1580. Derlong54 1:55 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
I can see another upper-lever swirl at notheast of Erika:
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1581. Chicklit 1:57 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
The NHC forecast appears to be in favor of the northernmost circulation. This could be something only if it "does a Jeanne" (see my last comment). However, if the southern center defies the odds and dominates, things could get interesting, and quick. The SSTs are higher, wind shear is lower, and the environment is just overall more favorable for development.
Good obs imho nyhurricane
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1582. nyhurricaneboy 1:55 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


It will have a better chance but will still be combating shear


I think that the northern circulation has the potential for some minor to moderate intensification, but will have a harder time with shear and dry air. The southern circulation may surprise us, though...
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1583. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 1:55 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
looks like it is moving WNW my friend.
looks can be deceiving but ya i think its trying to do somthing but the sw shear is preventing it from happening we will know more the next full updated at 11 pm imo i beleive we are watching a dying system thats fighting to stay alive
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1584. stormwatcherCI 1:55 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting jipmg:


mhm it could happen, there convection is catching up to the current LLC, and the Northern one is erupting..
I was just joking cuz I don't think that would be a good thing.
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1585. nyhurricaneboy 1:56 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting Chicklit:
The NHC forecast appears to be in favor of the northernmost circulation. This could be something only if it "does a Jeanne" (see my last comment). However, if the southern center defies the odds and dominates, things could get interesting, and quick. The SSTs are higher, wind shear is lower, and the environment is just overall more favorable for development.
Good obs imho nyhurricane


Thanks. Erika should be very interesting to watch, and a great resource for tropical cyclone research, by the way.
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1586. MiamiHurricanes09 1:56 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Shear would likely accompany it if it gets near the Bahamas. I doubt it would be much of a surprise let alone much of a storm.
yes but there is an anticyclone placed over it which is intensifying.
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1588. surfsidesindy 1:57 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
QUOTE: oh ok, I saw "indy" in your name, and thought indiana, but i believe that it is your name, Sindy? lol sorry

If I was in Indiana tracking tropical cyclones (and I DON'T knock anyone in an inland state that does :P) I would have WAY too much time on my hands!

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1589. MiamiHurricanes09 1:57 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


LOL..your way in over yer head on that sport..
lol, i know
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1590. tropics21 1:57 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting nyhurricaneboy:


You bring up an interesting point.

Hurricane Frances Path -



Hurricane Jeanne Path -



Jeanne was very erratic, in both track and intensity. Erika may do something similar, but will probably be weaker, due to the current wind shear situation in the Bahamas (Link). Erika may actually be something if the shear relaxes, though.
Not very funny to someone who lost alot when we got two direct hits Frances and jean history is history
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1591. kmanislander 1:57 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Surface pressure is rising at this buoy when it should be falling if the "old center" was approaching it.

Either Erika no longer has a low pressure center or the new one has taken over NE of Guadeloupe.
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1592. Stormchaser2007 1:57 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting masonsnana:

Dr. Lyons saying that TS Erica will be TD at 11pm update...any thoughts?????


I agree with that IF the NHC doesnt designate the circulation under the burst of convection the dominant one.
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1593. MiamiHurricanes09 1:57 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
looks can be deceiving but ya i think its trying to do somthing but the sw shear is preventing it from happening we will know more the next full updated at 11 pm imo i beleive we are watching a dying system thats fighting to stay alive
i agree
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1594. jipmg 1:58 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
I think Erika will be downgraded to a TD @ 11 p.m. And I don't think it makes much difference if a new circulation center forms to the north. There may be a few twists and turns with her track, and Hispaniola has to watch for flooding rains. But as a strong, organized tropical cyclone I don't think Erika has much of a future.


I disagree, I Believe its finally found its center, why? Because it has convection right over it and its not in a hostile environment.

It might be downgraded to a TD just because the old center will likely fall apart due to this new one, but then it should gradually gain strenght (as the models suggest) as it moves WNW towards the bahamas.
1595. MiamiHurricanes09 1:58 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:
Surface pressure is rising at this buoy when it should be falling if the "old center" was approaching it.

Either Erika no longer has a low pressure center or the new one has taken over NE of Guadeloupe.
I agree with what I highlighted
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1596. surfsidesindy 1:58 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
QUOTE:

I think Erika will be downgraded to a TD @ 11 p.m. And I don't think it makes much difference if a new circulation center forms to the north. There may be a few twists and turns with her track, and Hispaniola has to watch for flooding rains. But as a strong, organized tropical cyclone I don't think Erika has much of a future.

...And I hope you are right and I will go to bed now with visions of dust bunnies swirling around in the Atlantic...Good Night!
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1597. tikikopamsxm 1:58 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
winds not as usual here! Waiting to see what's gonna happen! I don't know what to think of this eventual new COC on north
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1598. Stormchaser2007 1:58 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
yes but there is an anticyclone placed over it which is intensifying.


I wouldnt hold dearly to that anticyclone. Its future is rather uncertain.

Currently its located to the SW of the main convection so its not in a great position to help.
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1599. tornadodude 1:58 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
Quoting surfsidesindy:
QUOTE: oh ok, I saw "indy" in your name, and thought indiana, but i believe that it is your name, Sindy? lol sorry

If I was in Indiana tracking tropical cyclones (and I DON'T knock anyone in an inland state that does :P) I would have WAY too much time on my hands!



haha, well, the reason I asked is because I live in Indiana... =P ha but I have a good reason to do this since I'm going to Purdue for meteorology
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1600. Relix 2:00 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    
The Battle of the COCs! Who shall win??? This is so strange and exciting at the same time =P
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1601. Patrap 1:59 AM GMT en Septiembre 03, 2009    

What most are forgetting is that this is a LARGE Cv Circ that has always had Multiple CoC's within the Mean Overall Circ..thats whats been its problem from Genesis.
What its doing is the same as Last evening..One coc is trying to Dominate.

Until One does in the Center of the Overall Mean Circ..it will repeat the last 24,or spin Out,.or Consolidate a New central CoC in the end.

00 UTC Multiplatform Satellite Surface Wind Analysis
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