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Invest 94L and the Lesser Antilles
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 9:51 AM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009 +1
Hi, this is Dr. Rob Carver filling in for Dr. Masters. The convection associated with Invest 94L has intensified, prompting the NHC to issue an early Tropical Weather Outlook to update the situation. Essentially, people in the Lesser Antilles need to start paying attention to the seas and skies. Looking at the computer track models, the set of model solutions are fairly similar to the Saturday model runs. A set of dynamical models (GFDL, HWRF, NOGAPS) runs to the NE of the Antilles, while the simpler models (LBAR, BAM family) are more easterly and take 94L over the Antilles. I do not ascribe any significance to the 00Z GFS track following the simpler models over the dynamical models. From my examination of the 00Z GFS run, it looks like the simulated 94L weakens too much, so the automatic vortex tracker picks up another vorticity feature. As for the future of 94L, there is a large area of large wind shear to it's north. It will need to keep it's track at WNW-W for intensification.

Update at 6AM EDT
I would be remiss if I didn't mention the major hurricane in the Eastern Pacific, Jimena At this time, Jimena has a satellite-estimated maximum wind speed of 115 mph, making it a Category 3 storm on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Jimena has an impressive presentation in satellite imagery with a large area of cold anvil cirrus in the center of the storm. The following microwave imagery indicate the formation of a relatively potent central eyewall, which is responsible for intensification.


Fig. 1 SSMI 85 GHz PCT at 0244Z Aug 30. Image courtesy of NRL.


People along the western coast of Mexico and along along the Baja need to pay close attention to this dangerous storm. I emphasize that using the current track and intensity forecast, Jimena will be a Category 4 storm when it approaches the tip of Baja and a Category 3 storm when it makes landfall up the coast.

It is worth noting that if Jimena follows the more easterly tracks presented in the computer track forecasts, the remnants of Jimena could impact NM and western Texas.


I'll update this entry further in response to 94L's development.


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2651. canesrule1 1:54 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


I don't think so. This from the 8:05

An active tropical wave extends from 18n45w to 8n49w with an
associated 1007 mb surface low center near 11n48w. The wave is
moving W near 15 kt. Satellite imagery indicates elongated
cyclonic flow in the vicinity of the wave axis concentrated
around the low center.
True, but the actual outlook has it moving WNW:

"AS IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT AROUND 15 MPH."
2652. gordydunnot 1:54 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Over the years I believe there have been several storms with two eyes, especially when that get that intense. I may be wrong, I am sure I will find out after this post.
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2653. atmoaggie 1:54 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
But you dismissed the fact that there is a closed surface circulation as indicated by the quikscat. There is a large possibility this will become a TD in the next 24 hours, but there is a very slim possibility (>2%) that 94L will not develop into 06L

And QuikScat has the ability to show a closed circulation where there is none.

I don't disagree that it probably going to be a TD in the next day. But there is a chance it does nothing. And in this business any chance is a chance to consider.
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2654. Magicchaos 1:55 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Krovanh lost its top right eyewall on radar
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2655. KATRINABILOXIGIRL 1:55 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting TexasHurricane:


Hmmm, well I guess they think it is possible that 94l make make it to the GOM.
I don't know about you but I am definitely keeping my eye on it
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2656. SavannahStorm 1:55 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting hunkerdown:
yet krispy kreme-like (as mentioned a few hours ago)


The Doughnut rolls on, wishing some day it might become cream-filled.
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2657. hunkerdown 1:56 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting amd:
for all the talk about anticyclones with 94L, it looks like it is stretched out from sw to ne, and 30+ knots of shear is within 150 miles of the "center" of 94L.

I still think that shear keeps 94L an open wave, at least for a while, and the new GFS ends up verifying. JMHO

Link
shear is a result of the anticyclone, not going to affect 94L...plus, you say "keep 94L an open wave", it is not currently an open wave...
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2658. StormFreakyisher 1:56 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Pat, why is it that when you post the water vapor loop, it looks like 94L is moving north but visible loop or any others it looks like it is going west.
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2659. will40 1:56 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH A BROAD AREA OF LOW
PRESSURE LOCATED ABOUT 850 MILES EAST OF THE WINDWARD ISLANDS HAVE
DECREASED DURING THE LAST FEW HOURS. HOWEVER...ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS STILL APPEAR FAVORABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT...AND THIS SYSTEM
HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION DURING THE NEXT
DAY OR SO AS IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT AROUND 15 MPH. From the 8:00
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2660. canesrule1 1:56 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Poor Funktop presentation:

2661. Patrap 1:56 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
As per Senior Chief StormW's wu -mail to me..


StormW has been Banned for 24 Hours for the GEICO Lizard pic,so he and I advise all to belay any off topic Humor Pic for the extended busy week ahead.

As you were Senior Chief StormW says,..He'll be back in 23.45 hrs,or in his Blog till then.
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2662. kmanislander 1:56 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
True, but the actual outlook has it moving WNW:

"AS IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT AROUND 15 MPH."


That outlook has failed to verify for a long time now. I only pay attention to what is actually happening out there and the fact of the matter is that 94L persistently refuses to go off to the WNW or points further N.
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2663. canesrule1 1:59 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

And QuikScat has the ability to show a closed circulation where there is none.

I don't disagree that it probably going to be a TD in the next day. But there is a chance it does nothing. And in this business any chance is a chance to consider.
true
2665. atmoaggie 1:57 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting gordydunnot:
Over the years I believe there have been several storms with two eyes, especially when that get that intense. I may be wrong, I am sure I will find out after this post.

Ehh, you might be thinking double eyewall (one inside the other)
Nooooo wayyyy, like I said the first time it got posted.
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2666. TexasHurricane 1:57 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting KATRINABILOXIGIRL:
I don't know about you but I am definitely keeping my eye on it


Yes indeed....I say anything is possible.
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2667. JLPR 1:57 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
well im out till 12am tonight
later
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2668. GeoffreyWPB 1:57 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
I'll stick by my opinion that TS watches will be put up for a portion of the Islands sometime tomorrow.
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2669. canesrule1 1:58 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


That outlook has failed to verify for a long time now. I only pay attention to what is actually happening out there and the fact of the matter is that 94L persistently refuses to go off to the WNW or points further N.
Well, the models had it moving WNW, XTRP has it moving WNW, and the satellite itself to the trained eye, has 94L moving WNW, oh and the Dvorak numbers have it moving WNW.
2670. canesrule1 1:59 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting btwntx08:

sunrise
11PM to about 5AM.
2671. Patrap 1:59 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting StormFreakyisher:
Pat, why is it that when you post the water vapor loop, it looks like 94L is moving north but visible loop or any others it looks like it is going west.



Good Question.I also use thew Floater RGB Loop to check out motion...check the Lat/Lon Boxes
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2672. stormsurge39 2:00 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Does 94L look like its tighting up????
2673. canesrule1 2:00 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
IF 94L becomes a TD tomorrow, TS watches should be posted.

See you all in the morning! Have a great night!
2674. Genex 2:00 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
I'm looking at the satellite images of Jimena. If I read this correctly,it's drawing up moisure from the Gulf onto South Texas from its' center off the Pacific coast. Amazing.
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2676. kmanislander 2:00 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
Well, the models had it moving WNW, XTRP has it moving WNW, and the satellite itself to the trained eye, has 94L moving WNW, oh and the Dvorak numbers have it moving WNW.


The models are out to lunch and as for extrap well, short term motions do not a trend make.

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2677. GatorWX 2:00 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Structure is the most important factor in upgrading to depression. Remember, Bill didn't have much convection when it was upgraded, actually it was quite similar to 94 in appearance.

The area in the GOM is under a tremendous amount of shear, no threat at all! The areas to watch are, at the moment 94L and down the road, African wave!!! Can't wait to see the latter in a couple days! It already looks teriffic.
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2678. Patrap 2:02 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Rock and Rolling T storms along that frontal Boundary Fetch here..

Start the frigging Pumps COE's..



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2679. kuppenskup 2:02 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
You'all talking bout 94L, did you see what's coming off Africa like that other guy said?
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2680. TriniGirl26 2:02 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
So when does 94L "Go North"?
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2681. hurricanehanna 2:02 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
As per Senior Chief StormW's wu -mail to me..


StormW has been Banned for 24 Hours for the GEICO Lizard pic,so he and I advise all to belay any off topic Humor Pic for the extended busy week ahead.

As you were Senior Chief StormW says,..He'll be back in 23.45 hrs,or in his Blog till then.

whoa...thanks for the heads up Pat.
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2682. SavannahStorm 2:02 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


The models are out to lunch and as for extrap well, short term motions do not a trend make.



It's also visibly gaining latitude on the precipitable water imagery.

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2683. NOVArules 2:03 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
NEW PERCENTAGES UPDATE!!!!


U.S Eastern Coast: 79%

Out-to-sea: 20%

Caribbean: 1%




It won't hit Virginia! We have an invisible hurricane shield :D
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2685. Patrap 2:03 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Geeezum,..just had Pea Sized hail for 45 secs then a wisp of 30 Plus under the wood threshold and that wicked ,Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

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2687. atmoaggie 2:04 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Rock and Rolling T storms along that frontal Boundary Fetch here..

Start the frigging Pumps COE's..




I am jealous. We got nary a drop out of this frotal passage.
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2688. SavannahStorm 2:04 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting NOVArules:



It won't hit Virginia! We have an invisible hurricane shield :D


You must shop at the same hurricane shield store as we do down in Georgia.
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2689. Patrap 2:04 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:

What!! Stormw gets banned for that, but not weatherstudent for plagirism?


I have sent a inquiry as to that post by WS,..seems the Table needs balancing for sure.
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2690. GeoffreyWPB 2:05 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Storm gets banned for a pic...and ? does not for ?. IMO...94 should be declared a depression sometime tomorrow.
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2691. kmanislander 2:05 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting SavannahStorm:


It's also visibly gaining latitude on the precipitable water imagery.



94L is not vertically stacked. Much of the cloud cover is displaced to the NE of the surface low along with the moisture field but if you all think it is going that way then so be it.
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2692. pottery 2:05 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Hi Kman.
I agree with you. Not seeing a north component as yet....
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2693. duprk452 2:05 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Rock and Rolling T storms along that frontal Boundary Fetch here..

Start the frigging Pumps COE's..



That came through here earlier tonight... my poor dog nearly had a panic attack! Poor thing was trembling so bad he couldnt even stand up on his own!
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2694. TheDawnAwakening 2:06 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    

Hurricane Wilma at her peak


Hurricane Jimena earlier today

Now I want to say that Wilma was the most impressive storm I have ever seen, and rightfully so with being the most intense pressure reading ever recorded in an Atlantic Basin Hurricane - 882mb, Jimena lowest pressure was 945mb and at 11pm it will be 940mb I believe. So with that said, Jimena's appearance is much more ragged than Hurricane Wilma's and never void of convection in her outflow pattern. Just a tremendous hurricane.
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2695. Patrap 2:06 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

I am jealous. We got nary a drop out of this frotal passage.


Check out the winds thru the Levels in this Line atmo..

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2696. hurricanehanna 2:06 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Geeezum,..just had Pea Sized hail for 45 secs then a wisp of 30 Plus under the wood threshold and that wicked ,Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...


I hate that sound
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2697. SavannahStorm 2:08 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:

What!! Stormw gets banned for that, but not weatherstudent for plagirism?


I got banned for 24 hours for an off-topic pic Friday. From now on, I link to my humorous pics.

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2698. FloridaTigers 2:10 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Currently, its jogging more westward, but it has been in a general WNW motion all day.
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2699. kmanislander 2:09 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Quoting pottery:
Hi Kman.
I agree with you. Not seeing a north component as yet....


Hi Pottery

These weak systems are a pain in the you know what. They appear to be going in several different directions at once.

Weak as it is I just don't see what would pull a Twave to the WNW. The low level flow controls the motion.
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2700. GeoffreyWPB 2:10 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
Shows you how complex weather is...within a few posts...clearly a northern component and another moving due west.

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2701. Patrap 2:11 AM GMT en Agosto 31, 2009    
tornadude just wu-mailed and said he also got a 24 hour Bann for off topic Images

I feel like "Publishers Clearinghouse" for the Banned.


Banned on the Run
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