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Invest 94L and the Lesser Antilles
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 9:51 AM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009 +1
Hi, this is Dr. Rob Carver filling in for Dr. Masters. The convection associated with Invest 94L has intensified, prompting the NHC to issue an early Tropical Weather Outlook to update the situation. Essentially, people in the Lesser Antilles need to start paying attention to the seas and skies. Looking at the computer track models, the set of model solutions are fairly similar to the Saturday model runs. A set of dynamical models (GFDL, HWRF, NOGAPS) runs to the NE of the Antilles, while the simpler models (LBAR, BAM family) are more easterly and take 94L over the Antilles. I do not ascribe any significance to the 00Z GFS track following the simpler models over the dynamical models. From my examination of the 00Z GFS run, it looks like the simulated 94L weakens too much, so the automatic vortex tracker picks up another vorticity feature. As for the future of 94L, there is a large area of large wind shear to it's north. It will need to keep it's track at WNW-W for intensification.

Update at 6AM EDT
I would be remiss if I didn't mention the major hurricane in the Eastern Pacific, Jimena At this time, Jimena has a satellite-estimated maximum wind speed of 115 mph, making it a Category 3 storm on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Jimena has an impressive presentation in satellite imagery with a large area of cold anvil cirrus in the center of the storm. The following microwave imagery indicate the formation of a relatively potent central eyewall, which is responsible for intensification.


Fig. 1 SSMI 85 GHz PCT at 0244Z Aug 30. Image courtesy of NRL.


People along the western coast of Mexico and along along the Baja need to pay close attention to this dangerous storm. I emphasize that using the current track and intensity forecast, Jimena will be a Category 4 storm when it approaches the tip of Baja and a Category 3 storm when it makes landfall up the coast.

It is worth noting that if Jimena follows the more easterly tracks presented in the computer track forecasts, the remnants of Jimena could impact NM and western Texas.


I'll update this entry further in response to 94L's development.


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2151. Relix 11:32 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting AllStar17:


It is not as far away from TD status as you think


Convection is weak though, especially over the center. NHC always looks forward to that so that's the reason I think they won't be naming it tonight. My forecast has been butchered.. DAAARN YOU MOTHERNATURE!!
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2152. KATRINABILOXIGIRL 11:32 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting mobilegirl81:
Current intensity, direction, and imo ,a high that is very unpredictable, expect this storm to follow a track like Lili 2002, Ivan 2004, Camille 1969, Gustav 2008, Georges 1998.
If you are correct Mobilegirl, then we may be in for a ride wouldn't you say..i hope you are wrong though...
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2154. NOVArules 11:33 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
WOW


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2155. nrtiwlnvragn 11:33 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
000
ABNT20 KNHC 302331
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT SUN AUG 30 2009

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH A BROAD AREA OF LOW
PRESSURE LOCATED ABOUT 850 MILES EAST OF THE WINDWARD ISLANDS HAVE
DECREASED DURING THE LAST FEW HOURS. HOWEVER...ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS STILL APPEAR FAVORABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT...AND THIS SYSTEM
HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION DURING THE NEXT
DAY OR SO AS IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT AROUND 15 MPH. THERE IS
A HIGH CHANCE...GREATER THAN 50 PERCENT...OF TROPICAL CYCLONE
FORMATION IN THIS AREA DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. INTERESTS IN THE
LESSER ANTILLES SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER KIMBERLAIN/BRENNAN


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2156. Cavin Rawlins 11:33 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
000
ABNT20 KNHC 302331
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT SUN AUG 30 2009

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH A BROAD AREA OF LOW
PRESSURE LOCATED ABOUT 850 MILES EAST OF THE WINDWARD ISLANDS HAVE
DECREASED DURING THE LAST FEW HOURS. HOWEVER...ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS STILL APPEAR FAVORABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT...AND THIS SYSTEM
HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION DURING THE NEXT
DAY OR SO AS IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT AROUND 15 MPH. THERE IS
A HIGH CHANCE...GREATER THAN 50 PERCENT...OF TROPICAL CYCLONE
FORMATION IN THIS AREA DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. INTERESTS IN THE
LESSER ANTILLES SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER KIMBERLAIN/BRENNAN
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2157. Relix 11:33 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Also, it's moving nearly NW right now right? Or is the mess of convection fooling me? Geesh I've been following the system since 8AM XD!!
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2158. zoomiami 11:34 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Lets try this again:

looking at Jimena, and the track & intensity, its not going to be nice for those on the peninsula. Can someone tell me what its like there? many people? development etc? I don't think they are used to hurricanes, as the historical tracks show none with this strength ever hitting in this area.

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2159. JLPR 11:34 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting Relix:


Hey I am not a RIP force member lol. I am just saying it's looking very bad at the moment... and I am sightly pissed because my forecast was for it to become a TD tonight and it's nowhere near that status =P. It could mount a comeback tomorrow, let's see how it makes use of DMAX.


its very close to TD
all it needs is a good D-max and we could have one tomorrow
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2160. HurricaneKyle 11:34 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Its decreased but still at red, looking at the structure right and convection, I say we're in for a blow up overnight.
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2161. CaneHunter031472 11:34 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting BrockBerlin:
Lol canehunter... getting ready if you are in Florida unless you mean usual hurricane season plans, why would you get ready for an undeveloped system that is thousands of miles away and probably is not headed your direction in the first place.


I meant keeping an eye for it :o) sorry got carried over... I live in the MS Gulf Coast so I am not wishcasting just in case LOL Nyway you all should have at least the basic stuff for the season already..
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2163. Grothar 11:34 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Finished some writing. Only read a few blogs, but 94L does look a little ragged. Anyone have any further information on all that convection in the Gulf? Don't want to divert from 94L but the Gulf feature does look big, though no obvious circulation. Can't find those darn shear maps either feature
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2164. TheDawnAwakening 11:35 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
94L is gaining spiral banding and convection within these bands. This is a sign of a strengthening disturbance. These bands show a good circulation but as others have said still lacks a well defined center of circulation. I said last night that once the spiral bands organize it will help it deepen and strengthen into a tropical storm, but not until it develops centralized convection. Last night or this morning's burst was not organized, it was to the west of the circulation, but now the circulation has become better organized as evidenced by the spiral banding, outflow signifying a good anticyclone over top of the system and great outflow channels to the north and south of the system.
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2165. BahaHurican 11:35 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting somemalayguy117:
(First post here hehe)
Krovanh seem to have an eye (or eye-like feature) after it reached it's peak.

And:
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 30/2100Z 16.6N 106.8W 120 KT
12HR VT 31/0600Z 17.3N 107.7W 125 KT
24HR VT 31/1800Z 18.7N 108.7W 125 KT
36HR VT 01/0600Z 20.6N 110.0W 125 KT
48HR VT 01/1800Z 22.6N 110.8W 115 KT
72HR VT 02/1800Z 26.5N 112.5W 75 KT...INLAND

96HR VT 03/1800Z 28.0N 114.0W 50 KT...INLAND
120HR VT 04/1800Z 28.5N 115.0W 25 KT

That can't be good...
Welcome, and is that Malay in your handle for a reason?
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2166. GeorgefromLosCabos 11:35 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
We just got our first rain from "Jimena"... local people just started shopping, l8ter photos and video before, during and after Jimena.
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2167. cchsweatherman 11:36 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting AllStar17:


Correct....do you ultimately think this WILL form?


If you look at the latest wind shear maps, you can see the upper-level anticyclone establishing itself over Invest 94L. So, to answer your question, it has already formed.
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2168. CaribBoy 11:36 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting Relix:
Also, it's moving nearly NW right now right? Or is the mess of convection fooling me? Geesh I've been following the system since 8AM XD!!


It's very hard to find a center, but in my opinion it's still around 12N
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2169. gordydunnot 11:36 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Hunker thanks for the response at least we are not going on about Language lessons.
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2170. nrtiwlnvragn 11:36 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
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2171. AllStar17 11:37 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Remains RED as expected at 8pm TWO
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2172. GeoffreyWPB 11:37 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
GOM blobiness..

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2173. homelesswanderer 11:38 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


That weakness near the Bahamas is 94L.


Oooh. Ok. Didn't recognize it. :) Duh. Lol. Thanks. I thought it should be on there somewhere.
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2174. VAbeachhurricanes 11:38 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


wow that close...
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2175. Cavin Rawlins 11:38 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
WTH

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2176. KATRINABILOXIGIRL 11:38 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting BrockBerlin:
Mobilegirl I would say that this storm is highly unlikely to have a track similar to any of those systems.
Oh forgive me, I forgot that we were all condsidered westcasters last night...none of us, I repeat NONE of us no where it is going as of yet so let everyones opinions fly without all the downcasting remarks please...
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2177. Relix 11:38 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


11.0N
51W?

That can't be correct... or good if true =(
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2178. Relix 11:39 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
WTH



My same reaction lol
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2179. CaribBoy 11:39 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Based on the latest quikscat the center seems elongated and ready to cross 50W.
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2181. winter123 11:39 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
scary storm right here. Jimena is even crazier, i hope it weakens before it hits the baja.

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2182. JRRP 11:40 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
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2183. VAbeachhurricanes 11:40 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
WTH



that has to be wrong... there is no spin or vorticity there at all.
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2184. adjusterx 11:40 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting GeorgefromLosCabos:
We just got our first rain from "Jimena"... local people just started shopping, l8ter photos and video before, during and after Jimena.


What is the average house, town, building structure out there. Can the place handle a strong storm? Just wandering never been there and the only photos I have seen were from tourist either golfing or at Hagars bar drinking.
2186. Cavin Rawlins 11:40 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
nothing's working with 94L. Testing the best of abilities. But what if the QS is correct.
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2187. JamesSA 11:40 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting Relix:


11.0N
51W?

That can't be correct... or good if true =(


That is about what I see too.
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2188. Drakoen 11:41 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
quickscat has a center near 12N 51W. The system, however, is very broad and multiple vortices are present.
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2189. zoomiami 11:41 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Relix & W456 - why do you have that reaction to the quiksat? It would be great if you could explain a little, might help the rest of us trying to follow along.

TIA
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2191. HurricaneKyle 11:41 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Wow, looks much healthier than this morning.
Defiantly tightened up throughout the day.

But there is another COC to the north, now we have to see which one will battle it out to become dominate. Either that or a COC relocation is taking place.
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2193. AllStar17 11:42 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting cchsweatherman:


If you look at the latest wind shear maps, you can see the upper-level anticyclone establishing itself over Invest 94L. So, to answer your question, it has already formed.


I meant do you think 94L will become a cyclone and of what strength? Sorry for the confusion. The SHIPS is very agressive with the system.
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2195. zoomiami 11:43 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Drak - aren't the multiple vortices usually a sign of it trying to consolidate around the dominant spin?
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2196. KATRINABILOXIGIRL 11:43 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting BrockBerlin:


Then why don't you let my opinion "fly"
possibly just state it and move on please and not shoot everyone else down as you have been doing...
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2197. cchsweatherman 11:43 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Based upon the latest QuikSCAT data, I would say the new circulation center exists between 10.5 and 11N and around 51W. This would really throw another wrench into the crazy puzzle called Invest 94L.
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2199. SavannahStorm 11:44 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:
VerizonWireless just confirmed that they are too expensive to use the broadband card for the live hurricane webcam.

Upon my arrival in CaboSL, I shall attempt to connect the webcam via any existing wi-fi I can find.

Updates to come...standby.

Experience Hurricane Bill has successfully uploaded to YouTube and is now being processed.

Updates to come...standby....


Can't wait to see your vids, CycloneOz!

Just a question, though, if you don't mind telling us. How do you fund your excursions? I wish I could hop on a plane whenever and document landfalling hurricanes. That would be quite the life!
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2200. Cavin Rawlins 11:45 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting zoomiami:
Relix & W456 - why do you have that reaction to the quiksat? It would be great if you could explain a little, might help the rest of us trying to follow along.

TIA


That is rather far SW of satellite estimates. well off any official guidance. This would mean 94L has move west and that what we were tracking was MLC which is well towards the NE, indicating the system is not vertically stacked.

Also the models are now useless since they intialised the area much further east.

Something's off somewhere.
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2201. KATRINABILOXIGIRL 11:45 PM GMT en Agosto 30, 2009    
Quoting cchsweatherman:
Based upon the latest QuikSCAT data, I would say the new circulation center exists between 10.5 and 11N and around 51W. This would really throw another wrench into the crazy puzzle called Invest 94L.
what kind of wrench might we be looking at then cch...TIA
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