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Adieu to Danny
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 9:50 AM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009 +0
Hi, Dr. Rob Carver filling in for Dr. Masters. With the 5AM EST update, NHC has discontinued issuing the tropical storm watches and will no longer issue any updates about the storm. Danny has gone extratropical and has merged with a frontal low off the Carolina coast. The most recent aircraft reconnaissance flight was unable to find a cyclonic circulation or tropical storm force winds in the remnants of Danny.

That isn't to say that Danny's remnants don't pose an element of risk for the East Coast. High surf from large swells is expected along the East Coast. New England can expect to see a lot of rain as Denny's remnants fly by.

Invest 94L

Invest 94L is still out near South America, but it's convective activity seems to be cycling down right now. The global models (GFS and GEM) do pull 94L (to be precise, a feature that could be 94L) north of the Lesser Antilles. Given how the GFDL has performed with other Invests this season, I can wait a day or so before they run the GFDL for this storm.

East Pacific and elsewhere

For those of you wanting to look at tropical storms, Jimena has just formed in the Eastern Pacific basin. The track uncertainty is fairly large, so I'll be keeping an eye on this storm to see if it will impact Mexico or the American Southwest. In the Western Pacific, Tropical Storm Krovahn looks like it will be grazing the Japanese coastline just east of Tokyo Bay.

I'll give Invest94L a chance to see the Sun and then I'll update this entry.

Update:1545 EDT

G'afternoon everybody, Invest94L has perked up a little since this's morning blog entry. In my judgment, the extent and peak magnitude of convection has increased, and scatterometer data shows that Invest94L has a weak cyclonic circulation. Here's the 9Z ascending pass:

Quickscat Pass over Invest94L
Figure 1Ascending Quikscat pass centered over Invest94L at 9Z Aug 29 2009.

There will be a big update tonight after the 00Z model cycle data comes in.
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1001. Drakoen 10:23 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting TheDawnAwakening:
On the quick poll of direction I would go with a West and then turn to the WNW in the next 24 hours. So for now I continue with the thought of West so A.

Drak, this invest is steadily growing convection and banding is improving. I would like to see banding improve before the central convection so that it has a means of continuing moisture feed into the circulation to sustain convection within the CDO.


Correct. That's why I have been monitoring the MIMIC-TPW to monitor the moisture and the circulation and how defined it is becoming.
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1003. Ameister12 10:24 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Good evening.
Ex-Danny is some massive Nor'easter.
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1005. JamesSA 10:25 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
A. West, until I see evidence other than model runs indicating otherwise.
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1006. TriniGirl26 10:25 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting ackee:
quick poll will 94L track

A. WEST
b. WNW
C NW


well if it goes West i might get some rain for my plants but i am hoping for C but i think the answer is B
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1007. stormpetrol 10:25 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
The majority of storms move mostly w, then wnw, so I imagine most of the models are programmed with this bias, even though they take into account all the various weather systems that affect the track of the tropical systems, jmo I could be completely wrong, again timing is probably one key component that can be difficult at times.
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1008. JamesSA 10:26 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting StormW:
Just stopping by real quick. Won't be back on until tomorrow afternoon.

So much for model guidance on 94L. CIRA had the 1800Z position at 10.6N;42.0W.


Yep. Same latitude as 3 days ago. XTRP wins the model competition!
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1009. ackee 10:28 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting JamesSA:
A. West, until I see evidence other than model runs indicating otherwise.
agree
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1010. HadesGodWyvern 10:28 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
India Meteorological Department
Chief Meteorologist Forecast
17:30 PM IST August 29 2009
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A low pressure area may form over west central Bay of Bengal around September 1st, which may increase rainfall activity over peninsular India

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1011. stormwatcherCI 10:28 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
How come I click the filter on show all and it keeps going back to show average ? Can someone tell me what to do please.
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1012. StormFreakyisher 10:29 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
How fast is 94L moving right now?
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1013. Ameister12 10:29 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting ackee:
quick poll will 94L track

A. WEST
b. WNW
C NW

Eventually WNW.
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1014. nrtiwlnvragn 10:29 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Pobably the best models to track 94L is the ones that have verified thus far. NW track unlikely until about 3-5 days.


Looking back the CMC and UKM look the closest to what has actually occurred, but they did not go as far west as 94L actually has.

8-27 12Z Models

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1016. IKE 10:29 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
18Z GFS sends 94L toward Bermuda......as a weak system.

You can see why by looking at water vapor.
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1017. Cavin Rawlins 10:29 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
One of the largest forecast errors I have ever seen, just by looking at the orientation of the models and 94L's past track.

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1018. nrtiwlnvragn 10:31 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
How come I click the filter on show all and it keeps going back to show average ? Can someone tell me what to do please.


Go to your blog page and on the right hand side select "Modify My Profile". Under that you can set the default filter level.
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1019. all4hurricanes 10:31 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting ackee:
quick poll will 94L track

A. WEST
b. WNW
C NW

A west
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1021. stormpetrol 10:32 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting StormW:
Just stopping by real quick. Won't be back on until tomorrow afternoon.

So much for model guidance on 94L. CIRA had the 1800Z position at 10.6N;42.0W.

StormW you the man, at least you tell it like you see it!
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1023. Cavin Rawlins 10:32 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting StormW:
If the updated steering layers forecast is right...don't even look for NW during the next 48 hours, possibly 72. Should be more WNW about 290-295.


right on
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1024. HadesGodWyvern 10:32 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Member's Profile

Go here stormwatcherCI
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1025. mobilegirl81 10:32 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting StormW:
If the updated steering layers forecast is right...don't even look for NW during the next 48 hours, possibly 72. Should be more WNW about 290-295.

Hey stormW. Looks like conditions are not very conducive in the carribean.
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1027. Relix 10:34 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    


Red Line represents model consensus. Blue line represents if it just turned NW. Green represents a mix of what the models predict along the current movement I expect. I shaded in red the danger area... though its not as noticeable (working on that), but I will say the Antilles are on the line of fire. Will work more on my... "track forecasts".
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1029. Bordonaro 10:37 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting TriniGirl26:


well if it goes West i might get some rain for my plants but i am hoping for C but i think the answer is B
I believe the answer is "B"! But I've eaten crow on Danny though :)!
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1031. stormpetrol 10:37 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting mobilegirl81:

Hey stormW. Looks like conditions are not very conducive in the carribean.

If it becomes a powerful system(only my speculation) it can mostly the bust the negative forces against it in the Caribbean, jmo.
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1032. chevycanes 10:38 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
that quikscat is not from 19:45. it's from 09:07 which was 3:07am edt. this morning.

the ascending pass is in the early morning and descending pass is late afternoon to early evening.

it only makes 2 passes a day.
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1033. stormwatcherCI 10:38 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting HadesGodWyvern:
Member's Profile

Go here stormwatcherCI
Thanks a lot.
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1034. kmanislander 10:39 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Looks like the thinking on the track of 94L is starting to change

Link
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1035. Relix 10:39 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
In 24 hours I see 94L as a Tropical Depression, borderline Tropical Storm. It's then, with upper level conditions more favorable, that it could strengthen further. Interesting system to track!!!
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1037. mobilegirl81 10:40 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting stormpetrol:

If it becomes a powerful system(only my speculation) it can mostly the bust the negative forces against it in the Caribbean, jmo.

Agree. We have seen them do that to. Kind of defy the forecasts which is the NHC's biggest challenge, intensity.
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1038. mobilegirl81 10:41 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
One thing is the carribean is hot hot hot hot.
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1040. stormwatcherCI 10:41 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:
Looks like the thinking on the track of 94L is starting to change

Link
What is your thinking sir ?
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1041. markymark1973 10:42 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting mobilegirl81:

Hey stormW. Looks like conditions are not very conducive in the carribean.
Quoting mobilegirl81:

Hey stormW. Looks like conditions are not very conducive in the carribean.

If it does develop and go into the Caribbean it's toast. Hostile environment with alot of high shear and dry air will be waiting for it. If it goes north of the islands towards Bahamas it will likely be swept out to sea. Troughs are really digging far south now. I don't see 94L being a major issue. Models were never excited with this invest to begin with. Maybe i'll be eating crow:)
1042. stormwatcherCI 10:43 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting StormW:
Thanks 1021 and 1023.

I have to go....but wanted to mention one thing...it's funny how there are folks that when the models are predicting cyclogenesis more than 72 hours out, they have a tendency to discount it...butwhen it comes to model guidance, they're ready to jump on "fish"...even with the screwed up model consensus as it is. That's why for steering, I never go by model guidance...it's better to go by the steering layers maps, then determine whichmodel has the best track..whic at the moment happens to be none.
Thanks for that.
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1043. kmanislander 10:43 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
What is your thinking sir ?


The same as it was this time yesterday; into the Caribbean near 16N.
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1044. Ameister12 10:44 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
I can't believe how bad the models are doing on 94L. I probably would do better then them.
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1045. mobilegirl81 10:45 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
Thanks for that.

If conditions in the carribean change and become conducive for development, god help us.
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1046. all4hurricanes 10:47 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    


low shear but quite a bit of dry air
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1047. stormwatcherCI 10:45 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


The same as it was this time yesterday; into the Caribbean near 16N.
My thinking also. I just don't see it going too far north as it is still tracking basically west.. Don't know if it will develop but if it does I still think Caribbean storm. Maybe not the whole way across but although conditions might not be favorable for that right now by the time it reaches a little further west a lot can change.
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1048. nrtiwlnvragn 10:45 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:
Looks like the thinking on the track of 94L is starting to change

Link


I noticed that and it must be a recent change (last few hours). The same analyst that did the current surface forecast also did the 24 hour surface forecast. They show different positions.
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1049. kmanislander 10:45 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
But today is Saturday which means time to fire up the grill to smoke a couple of rib eyes YUM !

Will be back later
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1050. TheDawnAwakening 10:46 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Outflow is tremendous, yes with 94L. One can see looking at the last few visible satellite that cirrus outflow is expanding in all quadrants. That is pretty remarkable given that there is really no evident CDO feature present with convection developing over the southern circulation region. It has a large envelope evident by this expanding outward cirrus clouds.
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1051. stormwatcherCI 10:46 PM GMT en Agosto 29, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:
But today is Saturday which means time to fire up the grill to smoke a couple of rib eyes YUM !

Will be back later
Sounds good !
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