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Tropical Storm Danny not impressive yet
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:19 PM GMT en Agosto 26, 2009 +2
Tropical Storm Danny is here, born from an African tropical wave that developed a closed circulation and some respectable heavy thunderstorm activity this morning. Data between 2 - 3 pm EDT from the Hurricane Hunters indicates the Danny has a central pressure of 1009 mb, and top surface winds of about 45 mph. Satellite imagery shows that Danny's circulation has gotten stretched and pulled away from the heaviest thunderstorm activity on the storm's east side. It is possible that Danny's center will reform at a different location, closer to the heaviest thunderstorms, so the model forecasts probably have a higher degree of uncertainty than usual at present. Wind shear has dropped to the low range, 5 - 10 knots. The upper-level low Danny is moving underneath has plenty of dry air in it, and this dry air is intruding into Danny's west side, keeping and heavy thunderstorm activity from developing on that side.


Figure 1. Oceanic heat content for August 25, 2009. Regions where the Sea Surface Temperature is below 80°F, or where the shallow waters of the Continental Shelf lie, do not have enough heat content to be plotted, and are shown in white colors. The oceanic heat content along the track of Tropical Storm Danny is below the threshold of 90 kJ/cm^2 typically seen with cases of rapid intensification. The storm position at 8am EDT today is given by the hurricane symbol with the "0" inside it. Subsequent hurricane symbols show the official NHC forecast points from the 11 am EDT forecast today, for 8am Thursday (24 hours), 8am Friday (48 hours), 8am Saturday (72 hours), and 8am Sunday (72 hours). The cold waters stirred up by Hurricane Bill last week will not impact Tropical Storm Danny. Image credit: RSMAS, University of Miami.

The forecast for Danny
As Danny continues to plow through the upper low, the low will weaken, but will dump dry air into the storm through Thursday afternoon, slowing down development. By Thursday night, when Danny should be several hundred miles off the coast of northern Florida, the upper-level low may be weak enough and far enough away that Danny will find itself in a region with light upper level anticyclonic winds, which would favor more rapid development. Ocean heat content (Figure 1) is high enough to support a hurricane, until Danny gets to about New Jersey's latitude. Most of the intensity models, including the GFDL, HWRF, and SHIPS model, forecast that Danny will become a hurricane by Friday. However, this favorable environment will not last long, since a strong trough of low pressure will be approaching the U.S. East Coast on Friday. This trough will bring high wind shear of 20 - 30 knots by Friday night. This trough should be strong enough to turn Danny to the north, then northeast on Saturday. The models have come into better agreement keeping Danny offshore as it passes North Carolina, though the storm is certainly capable of giving the Outer Banks a direct hit. As Danny passes North Carolina, it should start heading north-northeast, with a landfall likely Saturday afternoon or evening somewhere between Massachusetts and Nova Scotia. At that time, Danny is likely to be a strong tropical storm or weak Category 1 hurricane, with winds in the 55 - 80 mph range. The latest runs of the GFDL and GFS model have Danny tracking directly over Martha's Vineyard, where President Obama is on vacation. It will be interesting to see if the president stays on the island for Danny.

For those of you wondering about specific probabilities of getting tropical storm force or hurricane force winds, consult the NHC Wind Probability Product.


Figure 2. Tropical wave newly emerged from the coast of Africa, with some potential for development.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A well-organized tropical wave has exited the coast of Africa, and lies a few hundred miles southeast of the Cape Verdes Islands. None of the models are gung-ho about developing this wave, but shear is low, 10 knots, and waters are warm enough to support development. The dry Saharan Air Layer is relatively limited in extent and intensity, so dry air may have only a small inhibiting effect on the wave. Expect some slow development of this wave as it moves westward over the next few days. NHC is giving this system a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Friday afternoon.

I'll have an update Thursday.

Jeff Masters
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1051. weathercrazy40 4:13 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
lucky me im workign saturday 10am to 7pm so if danny makes a visit here in southeastern mass i hope they decide early if they want people home and off the road seeing i have a 45 min ride and i did it once before they waited til last minute to close i could feel the winds of bob pushing the car
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1053. antonio28 4:15 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Quoting jasoniscoolman10:
ITS NOT A FISH STORM YET..IF YOU SAY IT AGAIN I AM GOING TO REPORT YOU.


Yep Danny could move very close to New England area as a Hurricane at least that the NHC oficial track.
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1054. canuckmom 4:19 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Quoting fldude99:
lol..landfall in canuckland is still a fish storm to me


Your ignorance is showing!
1055. Bordonaro 4:24 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
A friendly reminder to everyone from New England to Eastern Nova Scotia! Please closely follow TS or Hurricane Danny! Unfortunately 2 people drowned due to HIGH SURF from Hurricane Bill last week!! Please DO NOT get in or too close to the waves associated with this storm! Although Danny may become a Cat 1 hurricane, remember do not be complacent! Stay informed and be safe! There is a 3 1/2 day window to prepare. If the 2 lone computer models are correct and Danny becomes a CAT 2 or greater storm, read up on Hurricanes Gloria and Hurricane Bob! Thanks everyone!!
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1056. weathercrazy40 4:26 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
yup i was here for bob and gloria and it wasnt pretty i think its been so long for us most people wont take it serious
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1057. Weathermandan 4:28 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
The 0z NAM has shifted significantly east/weaker...does anybody know if the UKMET and CMC have done the same?
1058. TheDawnAwakening 4:28 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Danny looks to have finally been able to sustain deep convection now. This is where his center will probably relocate. Go to the ADDS satellite website and click on Caribbean view. THe infrared imagery shows this convection deepening. I am going to sleep now good night.
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1059. weathercrazy40 4:29 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
i know ill be firing up the generator making sure its ok and filling a few gas jugs up making sure my weather station is ready for it too
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1060. weathercrazy40 4:32 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Link
last models i found
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1061. TampaSpin 4:32 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
I'm working on updating my site and looking at everything it appears at satellite that Danny has move WeST a little more than expected! Am i wrong...This is the first time i have looked at DAnny all day.
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1062. Bordonaro 4:38 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Let's say Danny is a Cat 1 storm, with 75MPH winds, and it moves a little further west than the present forecast track. So we have 75MPH winds PLUS the foward speed might approach 30-40MPH. On the right front quadrant of any hurricane, you add the wind speed and approach speeds together! Let's be conservative, 75 + 30= 105MPH winds! AND if 105MPH winds blow on Cape Cod or far east Maine, even for 15 minutes, think of the possible damage that can occur over even at 15 mile area! I am not trying to scare anyone, I just want people to think! BE SAFE BE PREPARED!!
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1063. Orcasystems 4:38 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
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1064. AussieStorm 4:39 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Quoting popartpete:

Playing cornhole means something quite different in my area!

oh, I just found out what that mean's. sounds like a "fun" game.
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1065. juslivn 4:40 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Quoting hunkerdown:
keep watching, although you may be staring at the screen for a while :) (people are model forecating)

Oh well, I'm not sure what that means either? Guess it's a joke, but guess I don't get it. It took me a long time to ask a question. ty anyway.
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1066. Weathermandan 4:42 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Satellite images show some pretty deep convection starting to close in on the COC of Danny, no?
1067. SunnyDaysFla 4:42 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Too much shear in the GOM for anything for the next few days anyway
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1068. JLPR 4:44 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
check out the completely west winds on the barb sw of the wave

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1069. JLPR 4:48 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    

here comes d-max
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1070. mkmand 4:50 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
The CV Storm is centered near 12N. Thats south enough for it to make it to the Carribeanne.
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1071. Tazmanian 4:52 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
too me Danny looks like a open wave
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1072. Weathermandan 4:58 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
I don't think that African wave is even a wave anymore, it's just a low...just WAITING to be classified as a depression...or storm. Probably a depression sometime tomorrow if it holds its ground (which I don't see any reason it wouldn't...)
1073. Orcasystems 5:03 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Off to bed.. have fun :)

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1074. sullivanweather 5:04 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Added some text to this image.

Something to keep in mind if Danny should come close to the Northeast.

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1075. jipmg 5:10 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Quoting Tazmanian:
too me Danny looks like a open wave


It looks nothing like an open wave, it has a close low spinning at 50mph
1076. hunkerdown 5:18 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Quoting juslivn:

Oh well, I'm not sure what that means either? Guess it's a joke, but guess I don't get it. It took me a long time to ask a question. ty anyway.
In non-joking terms, there is nothing there now. The BOC/SW GOM "possible disturbance" is being based solely on models.
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1077. Weathermandan 5:18 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
I'm slightly concerned about the intensity of Danny overnight because if a new LLC develops beneath or even on the edge of this new robust convection (which appears to be sustaining itself for the past six hours), there isn't really as much shear and the water is getting warmer the more westward (or northwestward) it goes, so all it would have to do is ward off the dry air, which a more organized system can do given symmetry/no shear I think.

On the side of the track, what is the possible cause of the apparent eastward shift of the 0z models? Or am I seeing things? I might just be getting too tired, haha.
1078. Tracker09 5:19 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
the wave off of africa, it looks to be getting better organized
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1079. jipmg 5:21 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Quoting Weathermandan:
I'm slightly concerned about the intensity of Danny overnight because if a new LLC develops beneath or even on the edge of this new robust convection (which appears to be sustaining itself for the past six hours), there isn't really as much shear and the water is getting warmer the more westward (or northwestward) it goes, so all it would have to do is ward off the dry air, which a more organized system can do given symmetry/no shear I think.

On the side of the track, what is the possible cause of the apparent eastward shift of the 0z models? Or am I seeing things? I might just be getting too tired, haha.


The upper level steering flow would push the system more North east of its current track if the center would consolidate on the north eastern ege of the circulation which is where most of the convective activity is located. If the system remains weaker, it would likely take a more westerly track.
1080. TexasHurricane 5:23 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Danny



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1081. Weathermandan 5:26 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
That's what I was thinking. Perhaps the models try to develop a new center, hence the slight shift? Definitely something to watch, especially since it has my name LOL. Anyway I'm off to bed, we'll see what this looks like in the morning!
1082. TexasHurricane 5:32 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Nite all...check back in tomorrow....
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1083. JLPR 5:38 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
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1084. WatchingThisOne 5:43 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
One thing CMC, GFDL, GFS and HWRF agree upon at the moment is that after Danny has done what he is going to do and exits to the NE, there will be a broad ridge of high pressure stretching right across the Atlantic. If we see any CV disturbances develop in the 4- to 5-day time frame, they may be held to a more southerly track than what we have seen with Bill and Danny.
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1085. WaterWitch11 5:46 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
This storm is not going to hit Nova Scotia or New England. I think we are looking more like Suffolk or CT. Don't bother yelling at me I'm going to bed! Lots of love!
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1086. texascoastres 5:49 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
May not have to worry about 94l if it keeps moving to the westsouthwest like that
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1087. OBXNC 5:50 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Hi all.

So ... um ... it's gonna be close ... he looks like he's getting his act together a bit, too.
1088. sullivanweather 5:51 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
The new 00Z GGEM brings the storm right to the NYC Bight in 60 hours as a 968mb hurricane.
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1090. skycycle 5:59 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
latest CMC model has hilda and ignacio dying off and THREE new systems forming, one after the other... bringing the total named storms in the pacific to 14? probably? maybe activity has shifted form the atlantic to the other side this time?
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1091. JLPR 6:02 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
im off to bed
last image im gonna post today



lets see what I find at morning
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1092. texascoastres 6:09 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
night jlpr see ya tomorrow night
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1093. texascoastres 6:14 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
its 1:15 here, I'm out to been up since 5 am wednesday. this is addicting when things are active. Night all!
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1095. stormsurge39 6:31 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Danny seems to be going more west than N.
1096. sullivanweather 6:47 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Coming out of the eclipse...

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1097. IpswichWeatherCenter 7:55 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Quoting jasoniscoolman10:
ITS NOT A FISH STORM YET..IF YOU SAY IT AGAIN I AM GOING TO REPORT YOU.


Calm down Jason, that may be his personal opinion. We should all put in a disclaimer in theory but we don't.

Anyway, Lets take a look at Funktop:

Winds in Eastern Atlantic/Western Africa:


Funktop for potential 94L:


Funktop for Danny:


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1099. cocoabeachcane 8:22 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    
Quoting skycycle:
latest CMC model has hilda and ignacio dying off and THREE new systems forming, one after the other... bringing the total named storms in the pacific to 14? probably? maybe activity has shifted form the atlantic to the other side this time?


When either the East Pacific or Atlantic are having well above average seasons, the other usually has a average or blow average season/
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1101. IKE 8:50 AM GMT en Agosto 27, 2009    



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