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Disturbance 90L close to tropical depression strength; TD 2 may rise again
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:02 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009 +4
A strong tropical wave (90L), with a large circulation and a moderate amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, is a few hundred miles southwest of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a large circulation, but this circulation is not yet well-formed, as it is elongated along an east-west axis. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are gradually becoming better organized, with some spiral banding evident on the south side of the storm. Satellite intensity estimates from NOAA already put 90L at tropical depression strength with 30 mph winds, but the storm does not yet have a well enough formed circulation to be classified as a depression. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two was. However, there is some dry air from the SAL being sucked into the circulation of 90L, and this is retarding its development.

Wind shear is moderate, about 10 - 15 knots, but is forecast to fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, later today. Shear is then forecast to remain low for the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days. The combination of low wind shear and sufficiently warm SSTs should allow 90L to develop into a tropical depression by Saturday, and potentially reach hurricane strength by Wednesday. Most of our reliable models strengthen 90L into a hurricane by Wednesday, when the storm is expected to be near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands. One important outlier is the ECMWF model, which has 90L passing to the north of the islands, and eventually recurving out to sea east of Bermuda. The ECMWF was by far the most reliable model for forecasting hurricane tracks last year. However, all of our models are pretty unreliable going out 5 days in advance for systems that have yet to reach tropical depression strength. Once 90L becomes a tropical depression and develops a well-formed circulation, the models will have a better handle on forecasting where it will go.


Figure 1. The remnants of Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

Tropical Depression Two may come back
Tropical Depression Two died yesterday, but may rise again. Satellite loops of the remnants of the storm show that heavy thunderstorms are again attempting a comeback near the axis of what is now a tropical wave. However, dry air continues to interfere with the development of the thunderstorm activity, and moderately high wind shear of 15 - 20 knots is also inhibiting the process. Wind shear over the remnants of TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C two days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to the north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that any re-development of the storm will be slow to occur. NHC has given the system a medium (30 - 50% chance) of becoming a tropical depression again by Sunday morning. Only one reliable model, the NOGAPS, is predicting regeneration of TD 2. The NOAA Hurricane Hunters are flying research missions into the remnants of TD 2 today and Saturday.

I'll have an update Saturday morning, or earlier, if significant developments occur.

Jeff Masters
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4601. IKE 1:02 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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4602. DaytonaBeachWatcher 1:02 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
03L.THREE, TRACK_VIS, 15 AUG 2009 1200Z UTC (Z)
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4603. FSUstormnut 1:03 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
wx underground also shows a 35mph invest? i thiink we have td3 not bill just yet!
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4604. polarcane 1:03 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting TightLines305:


Just woke up to your post… unbelievable. love living in Miami.
double barrel shotgun!
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4605. A4Guy 1:03 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
4598.
Is that a crow? Looks like a Grackle
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4606. IpswichWeatherCenter 1:04 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Tazmanian:
Atlantic
green ball03L.THREE
green ball02L.ANA


I didn't know Ana was also called "greenball" Lol.

I note how all those 0/0/0 noobs have run away.
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4607. Cotillion 1:04 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
It's still two hours from the advisory.

We might see a special one.
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4608. TheCaneWhisperer 1:05 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting P451:


So after all this time, pre-Ana became Ana and
the "Bill Wave" is about to become Bill.

Vindication for those who "knew it all along?"

heh....



Talk about around the block and back, sheesh, lol. This is going to be a tough situation with another a day or so behind, most likely Bill will follow Ana. With the size difference I don't see Ana altering Bills path too much. Granted Ana will expand with latitude but not that much.
4609. 7544 1:05 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Cotillion:
It's still two hours from the advisory.

We might see a special one.


in two hours it might be a ts instaed
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4610. KBH 1:05 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
I only have the hypothesis now, I am pretty sure that all the data collected from stormfury can determine which tropical waves off the african coast are likely to develop, which should reduce the area
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4611. CycloneOz 1:05 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
You know this yellow crayon around on the sat image has me thinking "Humberto."

Why does the NHC have to be sooooo conservative? That sucker is spinning up.

Humberto - 8 hours... how long does this one need to cook before NHC upgrades?

The NHC is doing it again!

NOTHING!
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4612. kmanislander 1:05 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Good morning

From looking at visible sat loops I can see the center of Ana moving out from under weakening convection indicating SW shear. The ULL to the N of Ana has been plaguing the system from yesterday and combined with the very dry environment it looks like Ana may struggle to hold on to TS status.

This one is fighter though as we have seen.
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4613. Tazmanian 1:05 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
am looking forword too what the nhc has too say on TD 3
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4614. IpswichWeatherCenter 1:07 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
We may have a 2nd Tropical Depression in the Central Pacific. Well at least the NRL says so.
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4615. kingzfan104 1:06 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
4616. hurricane556 1:06 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
surface low forming southeast of the florida keys
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4618. hurricanemaniac123 1:08 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
I bet Stormchaser is happy he doesn't have to do that sex change operation on Bill.

My best guess is TD 3 at 11am and TS Bill by 5pm or 11pm or a special advisory today.
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4619. willdunc79 1:06 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
I don't think they'll skip TD yet I think they'll go to TD 3 to be safe and wait & watch and then if things stay good go to TS Bill later this evening tonight at the latest.
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4620. stormwatcherCI 1:06 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting FSUstormnut:
wx underground also shows a 35mph invest? i thiink we have td3 not bill just yet!
Note the coordinates on that. It is 90L
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4621. 7daysnopowerfrancis 1:07 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
What happened to El Nino suppressing storm development? LOL!

It's going to be a mad house later at the grocery store and HD. My news posted a story on facebook about getting your hurricane plan ready.

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4622. AussieStorm 1:07 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


Talk about around the block and back, sheesh, lol. This is going to be a tough situation with another a day or so behind, most likely Bill will follow Ana. With the size difference I don't see Ana altering Bills path too much. Granted Ana will expand with latitude but not that much.

I could see Ana making a path for 90L and laying it with moisture
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4623. kmanhurricaneman 1:07 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
wow GOM wacth out!!
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4624. HIEXPRESS 1:07 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting A4Guy:
4598.
Is that a crow? Looks like a Grackle


http://www.nps.gov/prsf/naturescience/american-crow.htm
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4625. IKE 1:08 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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4626. TheCaneWhisperer 1:09 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
I am just glad we have official advisories out know and the model speculation can wane.
4627. CycloneOz 1:08 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting IpswichWeatherCenter:


I note how all those 0/0/0 noobs have run away.


I'm not a noob...but I sure loved the 0,0,0 condition while we had it! :)

Still...1,0,0 ain't that bad considering, huh? :)
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4628. IpswichWeatherCenter 1:10 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting A4Guy:
4598.
Is that a crow? Looks like a Grackle


Hahah, if TD3 skips TD status then we will need soccer crow.
Crow
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4629. polarcane 1:08 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Miami time to check your supplies. If it were me I would buy gas, food and water now. Beat the rush. I always figure you will burn the gas, eat the food and drink the water if it does not come.
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4630. FSUstormnut 1:09 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting hurricane556:
surface low forming southeast of the florida keys


key west radar,.. you are 100% correct, this will form and hit the upper gulf. hopefully nothing too big
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4631. wunderkidcayman 1:09 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
good morning guys let me guess we have TS ana and TD3 give me everything you got on TS ANA
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4632. serialteg 1:09 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting IpswichWeatherCenter:


Hahah, if TD3 skips TD status then we will need soccer crow.
Crow


rofl hey man... can someone explain to me the crow deal... lololol i dont get it! haha
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4633. BenBIogger 1:09 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Ana is center is exposed again. lol
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4635. TheCaneWhisperer 1:09 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting willdunc79:
I don't think they'll skip TD yet I think they'll go to TD 3 to be safe and wait & watch and then if things stay good go to TS Bill later this evening tonight at the latest.


Most likely they will issue a special statement for TD3 and Upgrade to Bill @ 11.
4636. SwirlOfDoom 1:10 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Lurk Mode OFF

How does the NHC come up with the various codes for Invests? Like what does 99L mean? Thanks for answering!

Lurk Mode ON
4637. jipmg 1:10 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting AussieStorm:

I could see Ana making a path for 90L and laying it with moisture


that's what its doing, its sucking up all the dry air that was there and leaving a path left with moisture for bill
4638. JRRP 1:10 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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4639. Hurricane4Lex 1:10 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Could we have Claudette too? Look at the keys to Florida's west side on the models.

Explain the Fujiwara Effect and what effect it could have on our 2 starting stars? TIA ^_^
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4640. Ameister12 1:11 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Morning everyone!
I see that 02L regenerated into TS Ana, and 90L might be forming a depression.
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4641. rmbjoe1954 1:11 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting BenBIogger:
Ana is center is exposed again. lol


Ana should stop flashing herself.
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4642. Hurricane4Lex 1:12 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
PS Mornin all!

PSS the SFWMD has TD3 on their map
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4643. IpswichWeatherCenter 1:12 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting serialteg:


rofl hey man... can someone explain to me the crow deal... lololol i dont get it! haha


Don't ask - in my 3 or 4 seasons of being here, I never understood it. (under various not used handles)
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4645. TheCaneWhisperer 1:13 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting polarcane:
Miami time to check your supplies. If it were me I would buy gas, food and water now. Beat the rush. I always figure you will burn the gas, eat the food and drink the water if it does not come.


One of the things I love about this place is your always one step ahead of the masses. I always chuckle as I drive my massive lines at gas stations and brawls in the grocery store over the last can of beanie weanies, lol.
4646. Cotillion 1:13 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Hah, ADT's thrown the raw T# back to 1.0 again.

Ana's got problems.

Again.
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4647. sullivanweather 1:14 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
This morning's cold spot - Horse Ridge, Oregon - 22°F
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4648. wantsnow 1:13 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Ike,

I cannot get your link to come up.
Somethings blocking it on my in end.
I've tried turing of my popup blocker etc.

Nevermind I had to install java for 32 bit and 64 bit windows....dummyme
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4649. 7544 1:13 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
90l may just follow anna track wise that high is in place for it too
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4650. cjswilmingtoneye 1:13 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
I think one of these hits the east coast, and the other one hits the gulf coast. recurvature is looking less likely with Ana, but could still happen(though unlikely with 90 L/TD3). What do you guys think?
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4651. serialteg 1:13 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting SwirlOfDoom:
Lurk Mode OFF

How does the NHC come up with the various codes for Invests? Like what does 99L mean? Thanks for answering!

Lurk Mode ON


i wont answer you.

kidding hehe... they go thru 90-99, 99L just means they've gone thru 90-98 and are up to 99. i guess the L means low but that's just me talking.
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