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Disturbance 90L close to tropical depression strength; TD 2 may rise again
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:02 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009 +4
A strong tropical wave (90L), with a large circulation and a moderate amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, is a few hundred miles southwest of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a large circulation, but this circulation is not yet well-formed, as it is elongated along an east-west axis. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are gradually becoming better organized, with some spiral banding evident on the south side of the storm. Satellite intensity estimates from NOAA already put 90L at tropical depression strength with 30 mph winds, but the storm does not yet have a well enough formed circulation to be classified as a depression. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two was. However, there is some dry air from the SAL being sucked into the circulation of 90L, and this is retarding its development.

Wind shear is moderate, about 10 - 15 knots, but is forecast to fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, later today. Shear is then forecast to remain low for the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days. The combination of low wind shear and sufficiently warm SSTs should allow 90L to develop into a tropical depression by Saturday, and potentially reach hurricane strength by Wednesday. Most of our reliable models strengthen 90L into a hurricane by Wednesday, when the storm is expected to be near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands. One important outlier is the ECMWF model, which has 90L passing to the north of the islands, and eventually recurving out to sea east of Bermuda. The ECMWF was by far the most reliable model for forecasting hurricane tracks last year. However, all of our models are pretty unreliable going out 5 days in advance for systems that have yet to reach tropical depression strength. Once 90L becomes a tropical depression and develops a well-formed circulation, the models will have a better handle on forecasting where it will go.


Figure 1. The remnants of Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

Tropical Depression Two may come back
Tropical Depression Two died yesterday, but may rise again. Satellite loops of the remnants of the storm show that heavy thunderstorms are again attempting a comeback near the axis of what is now a tropical wave. However, dry air continues to interfere with the development of the thunderstorm activity, and moderately high wind shear of 15 - 20 knots is also inhibiting the process. Wind shear over the remnants of TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C two days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to the north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that any re-development of the storm will be slow to occur. NHC has given the system a medium (30 - 50% chance) of becoming a tropical depression again by Sunday morning. Only one reliable model, the NOGAPS, is predicting regeneration of TD 2. The NOAA Hurricane Hunters are flying research missions into the remnants of TD 2 today and Saturday.

I'll have an update Saturday morning, or earlier, if significant developments occur.

Jeff Masters
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4201. BenBIogger 10:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Good Morning.

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4202. hurricanehanna 10:54 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting tkeith:
Looks like Ana's got a long row to hoe, but her and 90L seem to have their eye on me and you...

Good to see ya again ,I knew these storms would bring you out of hibernation...lol.


Yeah, I've been "lurking"for a while then posting the past few days when the activity picked up. A lot of the Gulf Coast bloggers have been posting....not liking what the models are showing...yikes!
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4203. aquak9 10:54 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
poor weatherstudent's gonna have a complete breakdown before this is over...and he'll probably take a few of us with him...
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4204. Cavin Rawlins 10:55 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Ana is a comback story, just throw it in with others like Felix.

But 90L is looking amazing this morning

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4205. Hhunter 10:55 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    


hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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4206. stormdude77 10:55 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Later bajelayman
4207. SouthCarolinaGirl 10:55 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Wow I see a lot of new names this time around!
4209. tkeith 10:58 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting hurricanehanna:
CMC model is still developing the GOM feature....brings ANA into the GOM too
GOM has plenty of warm water and very little shear, I wouldn't discount anything blowing there. It could get busy in a hurry around here...gonna keep my ears perked up for awhile gotten kinda complacent with June and July being so...ahem...uneventful.
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4210. weatherwiz 10:58 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
We were one day away from tying the the latest date for a name storm to form since 1992, of course that is when the powerful Andrew form.
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4211. russh46 10:59 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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4212. hurricanehanna 10:59 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting tkeith:
GOM has plenty of warm water and very little shear, I wouldn't discount anything blowing there. It could get busy in a hurry around here...gonna keep my ears perked up for awhile gotten kinda complacent with June and July being so...ahem...uneventful.

Agreed. Time to check the oil in the generator. Hope some of the "sleepers" in here have their supplies ready
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4213. hurricanehanna 11:00 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting aquak9:
poor weatherstudent's gonna have a complete breakdown before this is over...and he'll probably take a few of us with him...

We've put Press in charge of giving him Thorazine! lol
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4214. nrtiwlnvragn 11:00 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    

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4215. GeoffreyWPB 11:01 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
T.S. Ana

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4216. IKE 11:01 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
TWC is all over the tropics now. I was gonna say they were all over Ana, but that doesn't sound right...lol.
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4217. Cotillion 11:01 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
1992 has a STS in April, which if it was today, would of been named.

So, discarding that, it is the latest start since 1984. (Also, had a STS before its first named storm but that didn't occur until August 18th.)

25 years.
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4218. HIEXPRESS 11:02 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Some mid level spin with this wave S FL
Radar LOOP
Winds & PMSL
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4219. tkeith 11:02 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting hurricanehanna:

We've put Press in charge of giving him Thorazine! lol
I'm glad I didn't have a mouth full of coffee when I read that...lol

:)
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4220. NOLAsteve 11:02 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Hmmm CMC 00UTC spins up the blob south of Florida and tracks it into the Gulf. Not the most reliable model in years past, but wind shear seems not to be a hindrance and SST's are warm. Thoughts?
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4222. GeoffreyWPB 11:04 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Here's a good look at both systems...

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4223. Cotillion 11:04 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
According to the SSD overlay for SSTs (which isn't always right, plus SST maps always have some differences), Ana should be hitting the slightly warmer waters in the next couple of hours.

But the slight increase seems to be all around 50W anyhow, from different maps and such. So, within the day.
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4224. hurricanehanna 11:04 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
TWC is all over the tropics now. I was gonna say they were all over Ana, but that doesn't sound right...lol.

Morning Ike....please, not this early! ;)
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4225. ALCoastGambler 11:04 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Morning Ike. A start to what looks like another busy day.
4226. Cavin Rawlins 11:06 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
how quickly things can change, this time last week

"nuttin"
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4227. IKE 11:06 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Look where the 6Z NOGAPS takes Ana...and strengthens it significantly....shutter up those windows WS!
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4228. nrtiwlnvragn 11:06 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
TWC is all over the tropics now. I was gonna say they were all over Ana, but that doesn't sound right...lol.


Morning Ike, keep your eyes on the area in the keys, pressure dropping.


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4229. ALCoastGambler 11:07 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Good morning Weather
4230. IKE 11:07 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Morning Ike, keep your eyes on the area in the keys, pressure dropping.




I'm watching that too...
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4231. Cavin Rawlins 11:07 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Morning Al and Ike
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4232. tarpontexas 11:08 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Seems like we are a few model runs away from a more accurate picture. They are not initialized fully imho.
4233. sporteguy03 11:08 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
TWC is all over the tropics now. I was gonna say they were all over Ana, but that doesn't sound right...lol.


Hey Ike,
yeah, there goes quiet season and 2009 will not be 0-0-0 but it tried :)
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4234. Cavin Rawlins 11:09 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
90L is rather classic looking
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4235. ALCoastGambler 11:09 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Ike, May be in our best interest to lock the door on Pat. Yesterday, every post he had was bad for you and me...LOL
4236. kmanhurricaneman 11:10 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
mmmmmmmmmm! morning all, just reading and checking all data also watching how much the atl high and that ull east of florida will affect tracks!!
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4237. conchygirl 11:10 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Morning all: The storms were busy getting their acts together overnight, I see. Time to go check the genny. Weather 456 - great update in your blog.
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4239. IKE 11:11 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Good Saturday morning to all.....

Good coffee....Maxwell House caffeine light.....
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4240. hurricanehanna 11:11 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Rhut rho...he's awake! sshh...don't tell him

BB -I NEED coffee
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4241. Cavin Rawlins 11:12 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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4242. sporteguy03 11:12 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:
Good morning, all.


you might want to go back to sleep you might not rest for a week.
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4243. seflagamma 11:14 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Good morning everyone,

Well well well, I wake up and hear on the 6am news that we have TS Ana... like I am sure many of you have said already.. don't count a good swirl out..if it is still twirling it can still gather in some weather.

and how is 90L doing?

Just got at my work desk so got to go catch up.
Very wet down here in SE Florida this morning... no measureable rain at my house, just sprinkles but good rain out here in Weston.

bbl!



Happy Saturday everyone.
Gams
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4244. LightningCharmer 11:14 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Appears to be some turning on NWS Key West Long Range radar. This is just my untrained eye; don't jump to conclusions.

National Weather Service Enhanced Radar Image Loop
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4245. kmanhurricaneman 11:14 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
90l looking mighty impressive this AM
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4246. stormwatcherCI 11:14 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:
Good morning, all.
Good morning to you too.
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4247. IKE 11:15 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting sporteguy03:


you might want to go back to sleep you might not rest for a week.


LOL.

Dr. Lyons thinks it's going to slowly strengthen and head for the Bahamas and south Florida/WS.
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4248. StonedCrab 11:16 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Morning Folks!
I'm watching closely.
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4249. Seflhurricane 11:18 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
morning everyone looks like we are going to have a very long day, weather456 looks like you are first up with tropical storm ana
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4250. java162 11:18 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
can anyone explain why all the tracks have shifted northward????
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4251. weatherwiz 11:18 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Yeah the Gulf is really warm and in actuality the SST values are higher in the GOM now then they were in 2005 when we had Katrina blow up. I just hope nothing trys to get into the GOM because if there is low shear and the environment is right it wouldn't look pretty.
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