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Disturbance 90L close to tropical depression strength; TD 2 may rise again
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:02 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009 +4
A strong tropical wave (90L), with a large circulation and a moderate amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, is a few hundred miles southwest of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a large circulation, but this circulation is not yet well-formed, as it is elongated along an east-west axis. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are gradually becoming better organized, with some spiral banding evident on the south side of the storm. Satellite intensity estimates from NOAA already put 90L at tropical depression strength with 30 mph winds, but the storm does not yet have a well enough formed circulation to be classified as a depression. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two was. However, there is some dry air from the SAL being sucked into the circulation of 90L, and this is retarding its development.

Wind shear is moderate, about 10 - 15 knots, but is forecast to fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, later today. Shear is then forecast to remain low for the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days. The combination of low wind shear and sufficiently warm SSTs should allow 90L to develop into a tropical depression by Saturday, and potentially reach hurricane strength by Wednesday. Most of our reliable models strengthen 90L into a hurricane by Wednesday, when the storm is expected to be near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands. One important outlier is the ECMWF model, which has 90L passing to the north of the islands, and eventually recurving out to sea east of Bermuda. The ECMWF was by far the most reliable model for forecasting hurricane tracks last year. However, all of our models are pretty unreliable going out 5 days in advance for systems that have yet to reach tropical depression strength. Once 90L becomes a tropical depression and develops a well-formed circulation, the models will have a better handle on forecasting where it will go.


Figure 1. The remnants of Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

Tropical Depression Two may come back
Tropical Depression Two died yesterday, but may rise again. Satellite loops of the remnants of the storm show that heavy thunderstorms are again attempting a comeback near the axis of what is now a tropical wave. However, dry air continues to interfere with the development of the thunderstorm activity, and moderately high wind shear of 15 - 20 knots is also inhibiting the process. Wind shear over the remnants of TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C two days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to the north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that any re-development of the storm will be slow to occur. NHC has given the system a medium (30 - 50% chance) of becoming a tropical depression again by Sunday morning. Only one reliable model, the NOGAPS, is predicting regeneration of TD 2. The NOAA Hurricane Hunters are flying research missions into the remnants of TD 2 today and Saturday.

I'll have an update Saturday morning, or earlier, if significant developments occur.

Jeff Masters
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3852. WeafhermanNimmy 6:38 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


Where did you find that? Link plz?
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3853. jipmg 6:38 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting howarjo1943:
I think the circulation center of TD 2 is still partially exposed to the east of that blob which may mean it's weaker than the Dvorak #. Not sure though.


based on what?
3854. AstroHurricane001 6:38 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Holy crap, CMC sends TD 2 directly towards NOLA, and 90L toward Bermuda! HWRF also follows suit by sending a major hurricane into the Gulf. Gonna be an interesting rest of the month.
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3855. jipmg 6:41 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting AstroHurricane001:
Holy crap, CMC sends TD 2 directly towards NOLA, and 90L toward Bermuda! HWRF also follows suit by sending a major hurricane into the Gulf. Gonna be an interesting rest of the month.


link!
3856. Patrap 6:42 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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3857. AstroHurricane001 6:43 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting jipmg:


link!

Link (Phail if we don't all know that one)
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3858. WeafhermanNimmy 6:43 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting FloridaTigers:
I think we'll have Ana by 5AM


Im going to wait until the QuickScat show 35 knot winds...until then I dont expect them to update it into a tropical storm till that happens. There was no quickscat last hour b/c it was the same. They only change it every hour when it's different.
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3859. Patrap 6:45 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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3860. howarjo1943 6:45 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting jipmg:


based on what?

Based on shortwave IR. It looks like the spin is right on the eastern edge of that round blob.
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3861. reedzone 6:45 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
I have to agree with some people, TD2 might be organizing a bit further then it was supposed to.. A very small buzzsaw look to it..

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3862. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 6:45 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 7.2.3
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 15 AUG 2009 Time : 041500 UTC
Lat : 14:35:46 N Lon : 45:38:40 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.4 / 995.2mb/ 53.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
(3hr avg)
3.4 3.5 3.5

Latitude bias adjustment to MSLP : +0.0mb

Center Temp : -58.3C Cloud Region Temp : -46.4C

Scene Type : CURVED BAND with 0.75 ARC in LT GRAY

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

****************************************************
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3863. caribbeansurvivor1 6:46 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
It's incredible see how in less than 24 hours a system that much people think that have no chance to develope again, suddenly regenerates. Models are constant. For me is matter of another recon to declares TD2 in Anna. My opinion after lived many hurricanes and storm in my live I thing that is very serious high possibilities to threat the Antilles. Have been 11 years since George, the TD2 would be like Jeanne in 2004, but the 90l looks more impressive and models put it over PR and leeser antilles...No more Antlantic Sleeping Beauty
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3864. jipmg 6:47 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
so the 995MB presussre is confirmed?
3865. reedzone 6:49 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
90L will be Tropical Depression 3 by 5 a.m., and at this rate, it might be a named storm by 11 a.m. WOW, very impressive and looks like convection organizing around the circulation at 33W and 13N. I might be wrong though, but the system is getting more symmetrical.

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3866. WeafhermanNimmy 6:49 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 7.2.3
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 15 AUG 2009 Time : 041500 UTC
Lat : 14:35:46 N Lon : 45:38:40 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.4 / 995.2mb/ 53.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
(3hr avg)
3.4 3.5 3.5

Latitude bias adjustment to MSLP : +0.0mb

Center Temp : -58.3C Cloud Region Temp : -46.4C

Scene Type : CURVED BAND with 0.75 ARC in LT GRAY

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

****************************************************


I dont trust the DVORAK techinique because it should of been declared Ana the first time.
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3867. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 6:51 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Two

2009-08-15 00:00 -- 2009-08-15 06:30
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3869. AstroHurricane001 6:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Oh right, and the long-term GFS sends 90L toward Talahassee in the Gulf and the system behind it toward the Antillies and the Northeast of CONUS.
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3870. caribbeansurvivor1 6:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
TD 2 hiting caribbean in 3-4 days and turning northwest to the east coast....OmG! The convection is really defined in both!
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3872. weathersp 6:54 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
I have to agree with some people, TD2 might be organizing a bit further then it was supposed to.. A very small buzzsaw look to it..



They have NOAA 43 and 49 in barbados right now if they need them.
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3873. Patrap 6:54 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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3875. Patrap 6:56 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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3876. serialteg 6:57 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Good evening guys and girls, seems like a lively night for the Atlantic. Cheers
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3877. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 6:57 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
still awake pat i see
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3878. caribbeansurvivor1 6:58 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Yeap! we will have many hours of intense expecting! Like the friend said, there's be a new TD and a named storm at 5-8 am.
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3879. jipmg 6:58 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
when the next satelite comes in im out
3880. serialteg 6:59 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting jipmg:
when the next satelite comes in im out


procrastination is a sin :)
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3881. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 7:02 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
latest image 615 utc



02L/TS/ANA
MARK
14.1N46.3W
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3882. Patrap 7:02 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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3883. washingaway 7:02 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
we have Anna now
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3884. caribbeansurvivor1 7:02 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Link
Atlantic is boiling!
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3886. WeafhermanNimmy 7:03 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
6:52 AM UTC QuickSCAT in! Shows 30 knot winds, north of the low, still.

Guys I don't think this will be upgraded to Ana...@ 5 AM!
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3887. caribbeansurvivor1 7:03 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Is confirmed?
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3888. washingaway 7:04 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
it's ana on the navy site now
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3890. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 7:04 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting washingaway:
we have Anna now
not official but iam expecting it at 5 am update
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3892. WeafhermanNimmy 7:05 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting washingaway:
it's ana on the navy site now


Let see...but I dont think so!
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3893. washingaway 7:05 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting leftovers:
your own personal hurricane center?


No it's on the navy site
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3894. Patrap 7:06 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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3896. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 7:07 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
2009 Storms
All Active Year


Atlantic
91L.INVEST
90L.INVEST
02L.ANA

East Pacific
10E.GUILLERMO
09E.NINE

Central Pacific

West Pacific
94W.INVEST
91W.INVEST
01C.MAKA

Indian Ocean

Southern Hemisp
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3897. caribbeansurvivor1 7:07 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
I was there just few min ago and i dont see any confirmation of "Anna"
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3898. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 7:08 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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3899. Patrap 7:09 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
The First Atlantic Tropical Storm is Born for 2009

Atlantic
green ball icon90L.INVEST
green ball icon02L.ANA

NAVY PAGE
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3901. jipmg 7:10 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
so we have ana but no TD 3?

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