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Disturbance 90L close to tropical depression strength; TD 2 may rise again
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:02 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009 +4
A strong tropical wave (90L), with a large circulation and a moderate amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, is a few hundred miles southwest of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a large circulation, but this circulation is not yet well-formed, as it is elongated along an east-west axis. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are gradually becoming better organized, with some spiral banding evident on the south side of the storm. Satellite intensity estimates from NOAA already put 90L at tropical depression strength with 30 mph winds, but the storm does not yet have a well enough formed circulation to be classified as a depression. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two was. However, there is some dry air from the SAL being sucked into the circulation of 90L, and this is retarding its development.

Wind shear is moderate, about 10 - 15 knots, but is forecast to fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, later today. Shear is then forecast to remain low for the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days. The combination of low wind shear and sufficiently warm SSTs should allow 90L to develop into a tropical depression by Saturday, and potentially reach hurricane strength by Wednesday. Most of our reliable models strengthen 90L into a hurricane by Wednesday, when the storm is expected to be near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands. One important outlier is the ECMWF model, which has 90L passing to the north of the islands, and eventually recurving out to sea east of Bermuda. The ECMWF was by far the most reliable model for forecasting hurricane tracks last year. However, all of our models are pretty unreliable going out 5 days in advance for systems that have yet to reach tropical depression strength. Once 90L becomes a tropical depression and develops a well-formed circulation, the models will have a better handle on forecasting where it will go.


Figure 1. The remnants of Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

Tropical Depression Two may come back
Tropical Depression Two died yesterday, but may rise again. Satellite loops of the remnants of the storm show that heavy thunderstorms are again attempting a comeback near the axis of what is now a tropical wave. However, dry air continues to interfere with the development of the thunderstorm activity, and moderately high wind shear of 15 - 20 knots is also inhibiting the process. Wind shear over the remnants of TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C two days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to the north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that any re-development of the storm will be slow to occur. NHC has given the system a medium (30 - 50% chance) of becoming a tropical depression again by Sunday morning. Only one reliable model, the NOGAPS, is predicting regeneration of TD 2. The NOAA Hurricane Hunters are flying research missions into the remnants of TD 2 today and Saturday.

I'll have an update Saturday morning, or earlier, if significant developments occur.

Jeff Masters
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3601. Stoopid1 4:36 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Whoa, interesting... told my folks yesterday about TD2, they kinda blew it off. Hope they are paying attention.
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3602. CaicosRetiredSailor 4:35 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
OK
I can go to bed not... not happy, but relieved I guess.

Current NHC forecast shows 60 mph tropical storm centered 50 miles from my house at 8 am Tue Morn.

could be worse.

Good night

CRS
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3603. Cavin Rawlins 4:36 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Until Td 2 shifts wnw or nw, that forecast track will continue to shift west. It has been doing so for several days.
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3604. weatherboykris 4:36 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
So now not one but two storms heading in my direction....adrenaline is starting to pump XD.
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3606. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 4:36 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Ya i did not look at the model run i just looked at the pic....and asumed that was TD2....i don't believe TD2 will die out now tho......i don't believe the models are accurate now at all......
what the models say and what you get are always two different things
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3607. weatherblog 4:37 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
That track has it heading more towards Central Florida.


That'll probably change several times.
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3608. 7544 4:37 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
fla in th e cone
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3611. kmanislander 4:38 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Bed time for me. see you all tomorrow
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3612. BajaALemt 4:39 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
LOL @ the whole run. Central FL, hop across the state into the gulf then make a straight north beeline for Appilachicola :)) . I think it's trippin!
3613. chevycanes 4:39 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
S. FL hit for 90L again on 00Z GFS run.
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3614. adrianalynne 4:39 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
so Florida is in the cone (for now).... let's all just keep in mind that we should not be concentrating on the black line! Everyone within the cone should monitor the storm.
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3615. Twinkster 4:39 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
00Z GFS shows direct hit on martin county/palm beach county line and then transverses into GOM.

Also when makes landfall storm is as strong as the gfs can register
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3616. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 4:39 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
HurricaneErnesto2006

you shall be replaced whith empty space just like whats in your head

have another drink looks like ya need it
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3617. TampaSpin 4:39 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Sorry but TD2 could be a Hurricane by the time it reaches Puerto Rico
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3618. BajaALemt 4:39 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
As Clint Eastwood said...... Right turn, Clyde.
3619. stillwaiting 4:39 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
looks like we should have ana by the 11am tomorrow,IMO,a compact system...but that might change in time....
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3620. chevycanes 4:40 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
and then the FL panhandle.
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3621. TampaSpin 4:41 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
what the models say and what you get are always two different things


Whatever......WOW!
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3622. weatherblog 4:41 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Guys, let's not start pinpointing a county in Florida where it's going to make landfall. That's crazy!
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3623. Tazmanian 4:41 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
ok all wish storm will be anna or bill 1st??
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3624. chevycanes 4:41 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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3625. FloridaTigers 4:41 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
Sorry but TD2 could be a Hurricane by the time it reaches Puerto Rico


Could be. I think the NHC is looking for persistence with TD2 before making any calls about its intensity
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3626. Relix 4:41 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
I am starting to think PR will get a double hurricane hit =(
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3627. stillwaiting 4:41 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
talkin about td2,the stronger it gets,the further north it would get pulled atleast thru 96hrs...
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3628. TampaSpin 4:41 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
what the models say and what you get are always two different things


I believe you had TD2 completely dead! Nice job!
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3629. Twinkster 4:41 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=26.78485&lon=-80.22217&zoom=6&type=hyb&units=english&rad=0 &wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=1&mm.mdl=GFS&mm.type=SURPRE&mm.hour=216&mm.opa=100&mm.clk=2&hur= 0&fire=0&tor=0&ndfd=0&pix=0

put model run at 216 hours ouch for anyone in palm beach and martin counties
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3630. OnTheFlats 4:42 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Give it up for Dr. Masters, his headline read 'TD 2 may rise again'
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3631. juniort 4:42 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting weatherboykris:
So now not one but two storms heading in my direction....adrenaline is starting to pump XD.


where are you at?
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3632. JLPR 4:42 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Relix:
I am starting to think PR will get a double hurricane hit =(


NO shh! xD
They will go north, have faith =]
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3633. atmoaggie 4:42 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting BajaALemt:
LOL @ the whole run. Central FL, hop across the state into the gulf then make a straight north beeline for Appilachicola :)) . I think it's trippin!

You guys talking about the precip or the center?
I see Fla straits...or very near to it for the center.
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3634. weatherboykris 4:42 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting juniort:


where are you at?


West palm beach
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3635. Tazmanian 4:43 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
the Admins most be re moveing commts and baning at this time
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3636. reedzone 4:45 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
00Z GFS just doesn't make sense when not only is it north of the islands, but a trough heading right towards it.. but still heads into the GOM.. Doesn't make sense.
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3637. GatorWX 4:44 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
In 1 week, the GFS shows another area right behind 90L, what an onslaught.


pretty rapid turnaround, huh? Anyone still shooting for a 0-0-0 finish??? j/k, but it is a little surprising how quick things changed. Amazing what a little dust can do!
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3638. MatinTenn 4:44 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
What type of energy is going to be available for 90L TCHP
3639. hurricane23 4:44 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
What r you guys seeing landfall on the 0z GFS is in extreme southern florida.
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3641. CaneHunter031472 4:45 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Even that the models have their own version as to the intensity of the two sytems at hand, they all agree in the trajectory or at least they are significantly close. I see some impact either in Puerto Rico or Hispaniola and I would not be surprised if they keep south of those islands and make it to the GOMEX. Either case they need to be watched.
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3642. TampaSpin 4:45 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
00Z GFS just doesn't make sense when not only is it north of the islands, but a trough heading right towards it.. but still heads into the GOM.. Doesn't make sense.


Reed thats what i said it makes no sence....i think some of the models are screwed up also with the return of TD2
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3643. JLPR 4:45 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
Sorry but TD2 could be a Hurricane by the time it reaches Puerto Rico


How dare you say that XD
But I really hope it isn't one =P
or People here would freak out very fast
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3644. telewriter 4:45 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting weatherblog:
Guys, let's not start pinpointing a county in Florida where it's going to make landfall. That's crazy!


SERIOUSLY. Thank you!
3645. hurricane23 4:46 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
00Z GFS just doesn't make sense when not only is it north of the islands, but a trough heading right towards it.. but still heads into the GOM.. Doesn't make sense.


Actually the goes right were HPC has it around day 5-7 i believe.
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3646. BajaALemt 4:46 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Atmo, MSLP at 276

Link

That's right after the hard right out of the gulf. Watching that, on this run, it's like a huge weakness (more like a huge hole...lol) opens up....seems a little unreasonable.....to me anyway *shrugs*
3647. ackee 4:46 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
the GFS dissipate TD#2 and its back not a beliver of the GFS I am willing to wait and see what will happen with 90L
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3648. druseljic 4:46 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting weatherblog:
Guys, let's not start pinpointing a county in Florida where it's going to make landfall. That's crazy!


Thank you for that. It's a long way out yet...
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3649. Twinkster 4:47 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
00Z GFS just doesn't make sense when not only is it north of the islands, but a trough heading right towards it.. but still heads into the GOM.. Doesn't make sense.


a strong storm can plow right through a trough also if a trough encounters a strong ridge it can't influence the storm enough to change its path significantly
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3650. caneswatch 4:47 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Twinkster:
http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=26.78485&lon=-80.22217&zoom=6&type=hyb&u nits=english&rad=0 &wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=1&mm.mdl=GFS&mm.type=SURPRE& mm.hour=216&mm.opa=100&mm.clk=2&hur= 0&fire=0&tor=0&ndfd=0&pix=0

put model run at 216 hours ouch for anyone in palm beach and martin counties


alright, i need help with this. i don't see anywhere that i can put it at 216 hours.
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3651. atmoaggie 4:47 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:
What r you guys seeing landfall on the 0z GFS is in extreme southern florida.

I think someone might be focusing on the pretty colors in the precip forecast, rather than the isobars.
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