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Disturbance 90L close to tropical depression strength; TD 2 may rise again
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:02 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009 +4
A strong tropical wave (90L), with a large circulation and a moderate amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, is a few hundred miles southwest of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a large circulation, but this circulation is not yet well-formed, as it is elongated along an east-west axis. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are gradually becoming better organized, with some spiral banding evident on the south side of the storm. Satellite intensity estimates from NOAA already put 90L at tropical depression strength with 30 mph winds, but the storm does not yet have a well enough formed circulation to be classified as a depression. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two was. However, there is some dry air from the SAL being sucked into the circulation of 90L, and this is retarding its development.

Wind shear is moderate, about 10 - 15 knots, but is forecast to fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, later today. Shear is then forecast to remain low for the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days. The combination of low wind shear and sufficiently warm SSTs should allow 90L to develop into a tropical depression by Saturday, and potentially reach hurricane strength by Wednesday. Most of our reliable models strengthen 90L into a hurricane by Wednesday, when the storm is expected to be near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands. One important outlier is the ECMWF model, which has 90L passing to the north of the islands, and eventually recurving out to sea east of Bermuda. The ECMWF was by far the most reliable model for forecasting hurricane tracks last year. However, all of our models are pretty unreliable going out 5 days in advance for systems that have yet to reach tropical depression strength. Once 90L becomes a tropical depression and develops a well-formed circulation, the models will have a better handle on forecasting where it will go.


Figure 1. The remnants of Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

Tropical Depression Two may come back
Tropical Depression Two died yesterday, but may rise again. Satellite loops of the remnants of the storm show that heavy thunderstorms are again attempting a comeback near the axis of what is now a tropical wave. However, dry air continues to interfere with the development of the thunderstorm activity, and moderately high wind shear of 15 - 20 knots is also inhibiting the process. Wind shear over the remnants of TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C two days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to the north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that any re-development of the storm will be slow to occur. NHC has given the system a medium (30 - 50% chance) of becoming a tropical depression again by Sunday morning. Only one reliable model, the NOGAPS, is predicting regeneration of TD 2. The NOAA Hurricane Hunters are flying research missions into the remnants of TD 2 today and Saturday.

I'll have an update Saturday morning, or earlier, if significant developments occur.

Jeff Masters
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3001. RevInFL 2:49 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
We need to start a fund for sammy's finger replacement surgery.
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3002. extreme236 2:49 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting sammywammybamy:
NHC LOOKS LIKE ITS ABOUT TO DO SOMETHING IMPORTANT...


TAKING A LONG TIME

BAD FOR MY FINGER


GOOD FOR THEM


Then stop hitting refresh so much?
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3003. coffeecrusader 2:49 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
I have always found that the NHC advisories are posted earlier on the Weather Underground site than the NHC site. Go figure.
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3004. stormdude77 2:49 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting DaytonaBeachWatcher:
This is the most i have laughed reading this blog when it didnt have anything to do with WS... lol


LOL
3005. Stormchaser2007 2:49 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
ROFL!

Way to spoil it Taz.
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3006. Tazmanian 2:49 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
are you guys wanting a 24hr ban???


this is not a fun blog this is a Tropic blog


the ones are being off key can you get back on key Please
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3007. Cavin Rawlins 2:50 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting DaytonaBeachWatcher:
This is the most i have laughed reading this blog when it didnt have anything to do with WS... lol


same here.....lol lol


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3008. BajaALemt 2:49 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Sammy's F5 key will have no F5 on it before the TWO comes out :))
3009. canesrule1 2:50 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting extreme236:
I think the NHC has spoiled us with releasing early advisories. They dont have to release anything till around 11.
noooooooooooooo, lol
3010. ALCoastGambler 2:50 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting mobilegirl81:
If a major hurricane strike pascagoula, MS, then the biggest ship builder in the nation will be crippled. Ingles Shipyard.
It's Ingalls now known as Northrop Grumman. I used to work there till I broke my neck out there. They aren't doing well anyway.
3011. PensacolaBuoy 2:50 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting pcolasky:


Yeap! Pcola is celebrating its 450 year aniversary. It should be a wash in the afternoon! Any one need a shower?


Due to prior exploration, the first settlement of Pensacola was large, with over 1,400 people on 11 ships from Vera Cruz, Mexico landing on August 15, 1559, led by Don Tristán de Luna y Arellano. However, weeks later on September 19, 1559, the colony was decimated by a hurricane which killed hundreds, sank five ships, grounded a caravel, and ruined supplies. The 1,000 survivors decided to relocate and resupply the settlement but, due to famine and attacks, the effort was abandoned in 1561. About 240 people sailed to Santa Elena (today's Parris Island, South Carolina), but another storm hit there, so they sailed to Cuba and scattered. The remaining 50 at Pensacola were taken back to Mexico, and the Viceroy's advisers concluded that northwest Florida was too dangerous to settle, a belief that endured for 135 years. (Wikipedia)
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3014. atmoaggie 2:50 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting mobilegirl81:
If a major hurricane strike pascagoula, MS, then the biggest ship builder in the nation will be crippled. Ingles Shipyard.

Is Ingalls. And they saw a lot more than one might think during Katrina. Had a functioning anemometer through it.
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3015. Stormchaser2007 2:51 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Tazmanian:
are you guys wanting a 24hr ban???


this is not a fun blog this is a Tropic blog


the ones are being off key can you get back on key Please


God forbid we have fun.

Who knows what could happen.

We might get off topic.
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3016. TampaSpin 2:51 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Dam it Sammy i won't that dam report now or your fired.......LOL
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3017. CaicosRetiredSailor 2:51 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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3018. GatorWX 2:51 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Who cares what the nhc says at 11??? If they don't declare it until tomorrow, does it matter? It's obviously going to develop. We all know where to find the advisories, so if you want to see them, take a gander at 11. I can't stand when people post huge advisories and usually more than one person posts them. Post links PLEASE!!
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3019. reedzone 2:51 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Don't forget, IF they release it, maybe the wait is caused by issuing Tropical Storm watches for the northern Islands.. Then I can see how it takes a while.
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3020. Patrap 2:51 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
..Come In CycloneOz,..you got a copy on me,..JFV,..you there ?..

Test,Test...

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3021. mobilegirl81 2:51 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting ALCoastGambler:
It's Ingalls now known as Northrop Grumman. I used to work there till I broke my neck out there. They aren't doing well anyway.

Did Frederic reck them in '79?
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3022. BenBIogger 2:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
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3023. Tazmanian 2:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting sammywammybamy:
Commmeeeeee Onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn


F5..F5...F5..F5...F5...F8.. OPPS...F5..F5...



your going to in up get ban if you keep this up
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3024. Cavin Rawlins 2:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
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sometimes the blog kicks in and out due to high traffic.
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3025. weathersp 2:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
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3026. extreme236 2:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
F5 doesnt make the NHC go faster.
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3027. Ameister12 2:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
My computer might explode if I press F5 one more time!!!
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3028. HurricaneKyle 2:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
Don't forget, IF they release it, maybe the wait is caused by issuing Tropical Storm watches for the northern Islands.. Then I can see how it takes a while.


Yea, they have been known to delay advisory because of issuing warnings and watches.
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3029. Stormchaser2007 2:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Large blowup with 90L.

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3030. canesrule1 2:53 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
we have to have a TD at 11, its on the tropical atlantic and navy page.
3031. BahaHurican 2:52 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Evening all.
Quoting Stormchaser2007:

It could.

Its going to be interesting if 02L can take advantage of the OHC and low shear over the Bahamas. Its a particularly small system so it could ramp up quickly.
It would have to be relatively fast-moving also since the water in that area is mostly very shallow (hence the name (baja mar).
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3032. Cavin Rawlins 2:53 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
Don't forget, IF they release it, maybe the wait is caused by issuing Tropical Storm watches for the northern Islands.. Then I can see how it takes a while.


The NHC dont issue our advisories, we do. They advise us and we can decide to follow.
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3034. TampaSpin 2:53 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Tazmanian:



your going to in up get ban if you keep this up


Taz take a chill......go to bed!
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3035. BajaALemt 2:53 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
LOL !!!!
3038. extreme236 2:53 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Advisory isn't out yet cause their still at my house arresting me for using their "illegal" website.
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3039. jipmg 2:53 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
lol im not pressing F5, I expect the advisory to be late..
3041. canesrule1 2:53 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
i don't even have the NHC site open, lol
3042. mobilegirl81 2:54 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting GatorWX:
Who cares what the nhc says at 11??? If they don't declare it until tomorrow, does it matter? It's obviously going to develop. We all know where to find the advisories, so if you want to see them, take a gander at 11. I can't stand when people post huge advisories and usually more than one person posts them. Post links PLEASE!!

GO REBELS!!
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3043. Stormchaser2007 2:54 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
I say we sacrifice Sammy to the NHC!

They may make the advisory faster!
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3044. jipmg 2:54 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting extreme236:
Advisory isn't out yet cause their still at my house arresting me for using their "illegal" website.


ROFLMAO
3046. WPBHurricane05 2:56 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Coming up to 11pm...still:

Atlantic - Caribbean Sea - Gulf of Mexico

There are no tropical cyclones at this time.
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3048. mossyhead 2:54 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


God forbid we have fun.

Who knows what could happen.

We might get off topic.

this fun is better then all the fighting i have seen on here.
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3049. BajaALemt 2:54 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
((( Baha!! .. with an H ))) Just in time (maybe) for the TWO! Good to see you!
3050. tiggeriffic 2:54 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
bouncin in for a few...omg...this place is hoppin tonight...read about the shipyard in pennsicola if a cane hit...SC is long overdue for a cane too...and we have deyton here plus the port...talk about causin chaos and damage...
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3051. TampaSpin 2:55 AM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting extreme236:
Advisory isn't out yet cause their still at my house arresting me for using their "illegal" website.


OH NO........ROFLMAO
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