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Disturbance 90L close to tropical depression strength; TD 2 may rise again
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:02 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009 +4
A strong tropical wave (90L), with a large circulation and a moderate amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, is a few hundred miles southwest of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a large circulation, but this circulation is not yet well-formed, as it is elongated along an east-west axis. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are gradually becoming better organized, with some spiral banding evident on the south side of the storm. Satellite intensity estimates from NOAA already put 90L at tropical depression strength with 30 mph winds, but the storm does not yet have a well enough formed circulation to be classified as a depression. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two was. However, there is some dry air from the SAL being sucked into the circulation of 90L, and this is retarding its development.

Wind shear is moderate, about 10 - 15 knots, but is forecast to fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, later today. Shear is then forecast to remain low for the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days. The combination of low wind shear and sufficiently warm SSTs should allow 90L to develop into a tropical depression by Saturday, and potentially reach hurricane strength by Wednesday. Most of our reliable models strengthen 90L into a hurricane by Wednesday, when the storm is expected to be near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands. One important outlier is the ECMWF model, which has 90L passing to the north of the islands, and eventually recurving out to sea east of Bermuda. The ECMWF was by far the most reliable model for forecasting hurricane tracks last year. However, all of our models are pretty unreliable going out 5 days in advance for systems that have yet to reach tropical depression strength. Once 90L becomes a tropical depression and develops a well-formed circulation, the models will have a better handle on forecasting where it will go.


Figure 1. The remnants of Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

Tropical Depression Two may come back
Tropical Depression Two died yesterday, but may rise again. Satellite loops of the remnants of the storm show that heavy thunderstorms are again attempting a comeback near the axis of what is now a tropical wave. However, dry air continues to interfere with the development of the thunderstorm activity, and moderately high wind shear of 15 - 20 knots is also inhibiting the process. Wind shear over the remnants of TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C two days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to the north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that any re-development of the storm will be slow to occur. NHC has given the system a medium (30 - 50% chance) of becoming a tropical depression again by Sunday morning. Only one reliable model, the NOGAPS, is predicting regeneration of TD 2. The NOAA Hurricane Hunters are flying research missions into the remnants of TD 2 today and Saturday.

I'll have an update Saturday morning, or earlier, if significant developments occur.

Jeff Masters
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1451. canesrule1 8:43 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
That is not the 18z GFDL
yes it is, look at the labeling at the top of the image i posted.
1452. CaneWarning 8:43 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Well I am leaving work. I am going to try really hard to stay away from the blog this weekend. If you see me posting then I failed. I doubt we'll know what this storm will do before Monday anyway. I expect I will be posting later tonight or tomorrow.
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1453. antonio28 8:43 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting heliluv2trac:
lets take a poll of 90l

A. gulf storm

b. east coast storm

c. fish storm


Gretter Antilles 2009 Major Huricane. Times running out for us here in the NE Caribbean.
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1454. Drakoen 8:44 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
yes it is, look at the labeling at the top of the image i posted.


It is not current
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1455. tornadofan 8:44 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
yes it is, look at the labeling at the top of the image i posted.


Today is not the 13th.
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1456. IKE 8:44 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:


I am so sick of these polls! Here's a poll:

Who is sick of these polls?

A. I am
B. Give me more polls please!


A
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1457. SeVaSurfer 8:44 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Got it
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1459. antonio28 8:44 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Thats ones is from yesterday. LOL
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1460. Patrap 8:45 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
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1461. JLPR 8:46 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting Relix:
90L: I think the northern islands will avoid an impact, maybe the VI. The southern part of the system is it's weakest, we won't probably even receive winds, just rain bands here in PR. It's similar to Luis.... and I remember after putting up everything the system just didn't do a thing, just clouds.

Am I being too relaxed? Probably. Right now I am paying attention to it, but its definitely leaning to 20/80 to impact the islands (FL and NC need to watch out though), especially since all the models have such a good consensus.

By the way, g'evening WU!


I do hope your right =] maybe the fact of being affected by the shear will keep it a little bit more to our south
I guess its too early to tell, at Wednesday we should have a clearer picture
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1462. WPBHurricane05 8:46 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
ECMWF takes (ex)TD 2 into South Florida in about 7 days.

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1463. Chiggy007 8:46 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
When models are all this tight then in general they have a good handle and most likely 90L will follow that path! After 55W, they seems to diverge...
1464. wally12 8:46 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting WatchingThisOne:


You sailing out of Calgary? *wink*


Yup... Prairie schooner of course lol
1465. Camellia1356 8:46 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting WatchingThisOne:


lol was just thinking of posting the same thing

A, A, A, A, A, A, etc


Who is sick of polls on how many bloggers are sick of polls? :)

Actually, check out www.intrade.com to see the prediction markets for the hurricane season (you can participate if you are outside the U.S.).
1466. tikikopamsxm 8:46 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Hi Drak,

Would you mind telling me what do you think will be the strength of 90 L and ex td 2 while passing the northern island

Thanks a lot
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1467. canesrule1 8:47 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


It is not current
oh my bad i didn't see the "aug13" part, sorry. lol.
1469. tikikopamsxm 8:47 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Hi Drak,

Would you mind telling me what do you think will be the strength of 90 L and ex td 2 while passing the northern island

Thanks a lot
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1470. WatchingThisOne 8:48 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting antonio28:
Thats ones is from yesterday. LOL


Right you are ... my bad, sorry. Removed link.
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1473. tikikopamsxm 8:48 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Hi Drak,

Would you mind telling me what do you think will be the strength of 90 L and ex td 2 while passing the northern island

Thanks a lot
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1474. Drakoen 8:49 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting tikikopamsxm:
Hi Drak,

Would you mind telling me what do you think will be the strength of 90 L and ex td 2 while passing the northern island

Thanks a lot


I cannot say what the strength of either system will be exactly. Model point towards a strong hurricane bearing down on the Lesser Antilles with 90L. With TD2 models that show development forecast a moderate hurricane in the Bahamas.
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1475. extreme236 8:49 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


Yup, but the GFS's pattern is more likely to prevail.


What evidence do you have to prove that?
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1476. StormSurgeon 8:50 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Poll this.



At. Loop
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1478. louisianaboy444 8:50 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
What evidence do you have to prove that?

and that would put the gulf more at risk
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1479. canesrule1 8:50 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


Yup, but the GFS's pattern is more likely to prevail.
It all depends on how strong and where the trough is located then i could tell you which one will prevail, right now remember it's over 3000 miles away from home.
1480. IKE 8:50 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting extreme236:


What evidence do you have to prove that?


He lives in south Florida and that's where the GFS takes it...wishcaster...
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1481. Chiggy007 8:50 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
90l Still have a broad LLC - will take some time and my feeling is that this will perhaps not reach Hurricane status before 55W! Lot of the models are really bullish on intensity - HWRF is usually on the extreme side - last year it was showing IKE at 170mpg aroud Galveston and Miami on some runs...some of you may remember that....
1482. Drakoen 8:51 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting extreme236:


What evidence do you have to prove that?


He is telekinetic with Mother Nature. Only person that would give him a baby...
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1483. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 8:51 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


there all primers pat for the path of whats yet to come follow that and its where it goes
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1485. canesrule1 8:51 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting StormSurgeon:
Poll this.



At. Loop
not looking to bad, just is affecting shear.
1486. WPBHurricane05 8:51 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting extreme236:


What evidence do you have to prove that?


The..."It takes it over my house, therefore its right."
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1487. Cotillion 8:52 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Gallup
YouGov

All the polls you'd ever need.

Knock yourself out...
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1488. canesrule1 8:52 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
not looking to bad, just is affected shear.
1489. jeffs713 8:54 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting FreelanceHistorian:


I tell folks I was abused as a child - I was raised a New Orleans Saints fan.

So what did I do? I grew up and moved to Tampa in 1992!!! (The "Creamsicle"/Culverhouse days)

Weatherwise, I was extremely glad to see that HUGE blob in the Gulf this morning off Tampa moving north instead of east!


LOL for what I highlighted in bold. I should be careful though... my g/f might hurt me for that comment (she is from NOLA).

Of course, I am a Houston Texans fan, so...

Anyway, on the topic of the tropics, in one way, I am glad to see the blob moving away from FL, but at the same time, I don't want it sitting over the 30C water in the GOM.
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1490. tikikopamsxm 8:52 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Thanks a lot!
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1491. StormSurgeon 8:52 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting extreme236:


What evidence do you have to prove that?


Easy does it, none of us have proof, just opinions.
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1492. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 8:53 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting jasoniscoolman10:


wow hurricane Guillermo winds 100 mph




a beauty and a beast all in one
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1493. nrtiwlnvragn 8:53 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Offshore Waters Forecast

.SYNOPSIS...TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 79W MOVING W ABOUT 20 KT WILL
MOVE W OF THE AREA SUN. A REMNANT LOW...FORMERLY TROPICAL
DEPRESSION TWO...IS FORECAST TO TRACK IN A W TO NW DIRECTION
ACROSS THE TROPICAL N ATLC LATE SUN AND MON AS A POSSIBLE
TROPICAL CYCLONE...THEN APPROACH THE FAR SE PORTION OF THE
SW N ATLC LATE MON AND TRACK THROUGH THE SOUTHERN BAHAMAS
TUE AND WED.


Link
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1495. OSUWXGUY 8:53 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
I knew old TD2 and 90L couldn't play nicely together for too long...

90L is back stealing moisture and disrupting the inflow/convergence on the southeast side of former TD2. It also appears to be stretching TD2's circulation a bit longitudinally.

There is also some dry air being pulled in towards the east just south of TD2.


1496. Drakoen 8:54 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
90L still looks like an overgrown beast on the latest vorticity maps.
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1497. extreme236 8:54 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


He lives in south Florida and that's where the GFS takes it...wishcaster...


I know that, I was just curious if he could back it up with anything.
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1498. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 8:55 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


I agree. God only knows what awaits us next next.
and iam afraid he's going to have nothing to do with it yer all on yer own
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1499. jurakantaino 8:55 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
JlPR The TWC just mention us, saying that the island specially Puerto Rico should be on the look for the CV Systems. next week..
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1501. WPBHurricane05 8:56 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting OSUWXGUY:
I knew old TD2 and 90L couldn't play nicely together for too long...

90L is back stealing moisture and disrupting the inflow/convergence on the southeast side of former TD2. It also appears to be stretching TD2's circulation a bit longitudinally.

There is also some dry air being pulled in towards the east just south of TD2.




Explains why the NHC didn't reinstate it at 5pm.
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