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Disturbance 90L close to tropical depression strength; TD 2 may rise again
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:02 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009 +4
A strong tropical wave (90L), with a large circulation and a moderate amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, is a few hundred miles southwest of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a large circulation, but this circulation is not yet well-formed, as it is elongated along an east-west axis. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are gradually becoming better organized, with some spiral banding evident on the south side of the storm. Satellite intensity estimates from NOAA already put 90L at tropical depression strength with 30 mph winds, but the storm does not yet have a well enough formed circulation to be classified as a depression. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two was. However, there is some dry air from the SAL being sucked into the circulation of 90L, and this is retarding its development.

Wind shear is moderate, about 10 - 15 knots, but is forecast to fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, later today. Shear is then forecast to remain low for the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days. The combination of low wind shear and sufficiently warm SSTs should allow 90L to develop into a tropical depression by Saturday, and potentially reach hurricane strength by Wednesday. Most of our reliable models strengthen 90L into a hurricane by Wednesday, when the storm is expected to be near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands. One important outlier is the ECMWF model, which has 90L passing to the north of the islands, and eventually recurving out to sea east of Bermuda. The ECMWF was by far the most reliable model for forecasting hurricane tracks last year. However, all of our models are pretty unreliable going out 5 days in advance for systems that have yet to reach tropical depression strength. Once 90L becomes a tropical depression and develops a well-formed circulation, the models will have a better handle on forecasting where it will go.


Figure 1. The remnants of Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

Tropical Depression Two may come back
Tropical Depression Two died yesterday, but may rise again. Satellite loops of the remnants of the storm show that heavy thunderstorms are again attempting a comeback near the axis of what is now a tropical wave. However, dry air continues to interfere with the development of the thunderstorm activity, and moderately high wind shear of 15 - 20 knots is also inhibiting the process. Wind shear over the remnants of TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C two days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to the north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that any re-development of the storm will be slow to occur. NHC has given the system a medium (30 - 50% chance) of becoming a tropical depression again by Sunday morning. Only one reliable model, the NOGAPS, is predicting regeneration of TD 2. The NOAA Hurricane Hunters are flying research missions into the remnants of TD 2 today and Saturday.

I'll have an update Saturday morning, or earlier, if significant developments occur.

Jeff Masters
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851. Drakoen 6:13 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


What model is that? Caribbean bound whatever it is?


UKMET
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852. Patrap 6:13 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Another Post Charley Image,..wanna check da Oil and maybe the Washer too Buddy?

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853. lafayettebelle 6:13 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
You can tell we've been hit often.. Lots of Southern Louisianaians here keeping a close eye.. Great job keeping us informed guys!
854. LouisianaWoman 6:13 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Aww, I want her room! She's got the best view in the house, Patrap!
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855. ftpiercecane 6:13 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


Hers a FREE tip...if your prepping your Home with Plywood,Plylox clips,Armor,Kevlar,..best to Get up da road and watch it on CNN.

Above is a Home post CHarley with all those Fancy smancy steps included.


It has always amazed me that you can have a wall blown out and still have everything nice and neat on that computer stand. I witness a lot of crazy post hurricane things like that (frances and jeanne).
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856. slavp 6:13 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting LouisianaWoman:


Neighbor indeed! You're just a stones throw away.
LOL At my age, not sure how far I can throw one though!!! Lol
857. hurricanehanna 6:13 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting louisianaboy444:
Delcambre is a great place! Lafayette here

Hey hannah! My dads a firefighter in Lafayette...hes a district chief to be exact

How awesome! I have a lot of respect for those guys!
How is school? Or did you start the semester yet?
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859. poknsnok 6:14 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
90l doesnt look so good.. whats everyone gonna do if this one peters out??
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860. futuremet 6:16 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting tornadofan:
How much longer until the 12z Euro?


Should be out at 2:55 PM EDT
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861. wunderkidcayman 6:15 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
ex-TD2 is now in 5-10kts wind shear

Link
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862. largeeyes 6:15 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
That picture looks photoshopped. Maybe it's the brightness of outside versus in, but somethings odd about it.
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863. IKE 6:17 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting tornadofan:
How much longer until the 12z Euro?


Comes out at 2 pm CDST.
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864. hurricanehanna 6:15 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


Hers a FREE tip...if your prepping your Home with Plywood,Plylox clips,Armor,Kevlar,..best to Get up da road and watch it on CNN.

Above is a Home post CHarley with all those Fancy smancy steps included.

I'll bail if I gotta Pat....just like to take a few precautions in case it help. Heck, hubby want to find GIANT bungee cords to secure the roof to the slab!
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865. CaneWarning 6:16 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Wow, the models shifted south...
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866. LouisianaWoman 6:16 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Been hit one too many times to be exact. So yea, watching the tropics to see if I'm striking out on round 3. Lili did nothing but cause my orange tree to start growing in sideways. Rita and Ike gave me a that wonderful house on the water I wanted. Just a tad bit earlier than expected, didn't think we'd have one until retirement. lol
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867. 7daysnopowerfrancis 6:16 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
The national hurricane center Atlantic basin storm probability looks like my son colored it.

I hope they all are fish storms. They are tearing down a high school piece by piece right now on my street. The debris field would destroy many a home insufficiently prepared.

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868. louisianaboy444 6:16 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
How awesome! I have a lot of respect for those guys!
How is school? Or did you start the semester yet?


yeah i thought you would know him he was on the news for saying that shooting victim's life in Lafayette....and no i didn't start the semester yet i start on the 24th(hopefully) lol
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869. reedzone 6:16 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Who is the culprit that is putting the virus on this blog? My computer on firefox keeps freezing on most of the times I go on here.. I want to know NOW!
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870. KEHCharleston 6:16 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting jeffs713:

I find it interesting how the computer desk and bedspread are in fairly organized shape, but the wall is missing.
Yea.. weird. The floor is a mess. Looks like the wall blew OUT, not in. Yikes!
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871. Patrap 6:17 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Ike ,check out the scale on the Bottom Image,Lotsa Flavor out there in that...






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872. PanhandleChuck 6:17 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting P451:
12 Z Models...

CMC 144HR




GFDL 126HR




GFS 168HR




HWRF 126HR





Nice collective post
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873. jlp09550 6:17 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting largeeyes:
That picture looks photoshopped. Maybe it's the brightness of outside versus in, but somethings odd about it.

I agree. I've seen my share of photoshopped images.
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875. hurricane23 6:18 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Watch it hit somewere near Nicaragua...
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876. CaneWarning 6:20 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting KEHCharleston:
Yea.. weird. The floor is a mess. Looks like the wall blew OUT, not in. Yikes!


It can happen. I was down in Punta Gorda after Charley and saw that a few times.
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877. Patrap 6:18 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
Who is the culprit that is putting the virus on this blog? My computer on firefox keeps freezing on most of the times I go on here.. I want to know NOW!


I suggest you fill out a service ticket and get In Line,consider it FEMA ice waiting practice reedzone
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879. IKE 6:19 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Ike ,check out the scale on the Bottom Image,Lotsa Flavor out there in that...








Looks like we'll get rain over the weekend.
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880. Drakoen 6:19 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
The GFDL is the only model noteworthy of shifting a bit to the south. Even at that point the shortwave should create enough of a weakness to bring the system over the Greater Antilles
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882. Chiggy007 6:19 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
12Z UKMET now pretty similar to 12Z GFDL...further South!
883. CaneWarning 6:19 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:
Watch it hit somewere near Nicaragua...


I wouldn't be shocked... Every time they show the big one coming it seems to turn off and hit somewhere else or never form.
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885. saintsfan06 6:20 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
P451 - all pretty close
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887. yankee2cajn 6:20 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Lafayette, la here
Hello
888. nrtiwlnvragn 6:20 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
Who is the culprit that is putting the virus on this blog? My computer on firefox keeps freezing on most of the times I go on here.. I want to know NOW!


Try with add-ons disabled.
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889. iluvjess 6:20 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


Hers a FREE tip...if your prepping your Home with Plywood,Plylox clips,Armor,Kevlar,..best to Get up da road and watch it on CNN.

Above is a Home post CHarley with all those Fancy smancy steps included.


Wood, Plylox, etc. is a waste of time. It gives one a false sense of security. Anyone know what wind speeds modern double pane storm windows are rated at? 150 mph straight line dry, and 125 straightline wet. That's stronger than any peice of plywood so don't waste your time and effort boarding up. doesn't take much to puncture that balsa wood you put up. Either get metal storm shutters or nothing at all.
890. mobilegirl81 6:20 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Looks like the thing to watch now is gonna be the ridge.
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891. Patrap 6:21 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting jlp09550:

I agree. I've seen my share of photoshopped images.



I an assure you crackpots those are are
Charley Pics from Punta Gorda.

www.thomasmichaelcorcoran.com


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892. Chiggy007 6:21 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
DRAK: So yo know that a short wave at the exact time will materialize... lol! How do you guys come up with this things and so sure about it too when models with so much Physics in them fails to show that!! :)
895. wunderkidcayman 6:21 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
dry air weakens as it get close to ex-TD2 it has a big enough shield to protect it for a while ex-TD2 is tapping into 90L bands so it is getting better

Link
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896. Drakoen 6:22 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting Chiggy007:
DRAK: So yo know that a short wave at the exact time will materialize... lol! How do you guys come up with this things and so sure about it too when models with so much Physics in them fails to show that!! :)


I just know there will be one coming.
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897. PanhandleChuck 6:22 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
It's the crack pipe Pat no the pot.
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898. 7544 6:22 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
Who is the culprit that is putting the virus on this blog? My computer on firefox keeps freezing on most of the times I go on here.. I want to know NOW!


hi thanks its not just me now its from post 858 ID IS P451 he did thuis on 3 other pages and everytime he post those 3 images everything frezzes SO HE OR SHE MUST LINK THEM ITS HAPPEN THREE TIMES ALL ON DIF PAGES ITS NOT FUNNY ANYMORE
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899. tornadofan 6:22 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


Comes out at 2 pm CDST.


Thanks Ike - will be interesting if get comes closer to GFS or continues its Fish Tales.
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900. stormpetrol 6:22 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
EX td2 is the one to keep an eye for now, if this trend continues by 11 tonight or 8 am , this will either be reclassified as TD or even a TS.
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901. KEHCharleston 6:22 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:


It can happen. I was down in Punta Gorda after Charley and saw that a few times.
Can you imagine what that would feel like, if you had been inside that room?
Talk about something that sux. (Pun intended)
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