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Disturbance 90L close to tropical depression strength; TD 2 may rise again
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:02 PM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009 +4
A strong tropical wave (90L), with a large circulation and a moderate amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, is a few hundred miles southwest of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a large circulation, but this circulation is not yet well-formed, as it is elongated along an east-west axis. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are gradually becoming better organized, with some spiral banding evident on the south side of the storm. Satellite intensity estimates from NOAA already put 90L at tropical depression strength with 30 mph winds, but the storm does not yet have a well enough formed circulation to be classified as a depression. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two was. However, there is some dry air from the SAL being sucked into the circulation of 90L, and this is retarding its development.

Wind shear is moderate, about 10 - 15 knots, but is forecast to fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, later today. Shear is then forecast to remain low for the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days. The combination of low wind shear and sufficiently warm SSTs should allow 90L to develop into a tropical depression by Saturday, and potentially reach hurricane strength by Wednesday. Most of our reliable models strengthen 90L into a hurricane by Wednesday, when the storm is expected to be near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands. One important outlier is the ECMWF model, which has 90L passing to the north of the islands, and eventually recurving out to sea east of Bermuda. The ECMWF was by far the most reliable model for forecasting hurricane tracks last year. However, all of our models are pretty unreliable going out 5 days in advance for systems that have yet to reach tropical depression strength. Once 90L becomes a tropical depression and develops a well-formed circulation, the models will have a better handle on forecasting where it will go.


Figure 1. The remnants of Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

Tropical Depression Two may come back
Tropical Depression Two died yesterday, but may rise again. Satellite loops of the remnants of the storm show that heavy thunderstorms are again attempting a comeback near the axis of what is now a tropical wave. However, dry air continues to interfere with the development of the thunderstorm activity, and moderately high wind shear of 15 - 20 knots is also inhibiting the process. Wind shear over the remnants of TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C two days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to the north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that any re-development of the storm will be slow to occur. NHC has given the system a medium (30 - 50% chance) of becoming a tropical depression again by Sunday morning. Only one reliable model, the NOGAPS, is predicting regeneration of TD 2. The NOAA Hurricane Hunters are flying research missions into the remnants of TD 2 today and Saturday.

I'll have an update Saturday morning, or earlier, if significant developments occur.

Jeff Masters
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5401. 954FtLCane 3:25 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting FreelanceHistorian:
Wow, sleep in late and look what happens!

So, the "dead" TD2 came back with a roar and is now Ana? Invest 90L is still Invest 90L, but the wave behind it ramped up last night and grabbed the TD3 moniker before 90L could?

Boy, gonna need a scorecard here soon...


90L is TD3....
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5403. foggymyst 3:26 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Orca, I saw you forecast picture.. not good. Will Ana open the path for a stronger "Bill"?
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5405. ALCoastGambler 3:26 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

Nice control. Many here would have blow up on that police guy at some point.
Thanks Aggie, But I don't lose my control with people here. I just say what I need to say and move on. What I said was more to the truth than what he said. Polls are worthless. If I get banned. Ohh Well. But I will never lose control. I'm way too much above that...LOL
5406. HurricaneKyle 3:26 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Where is Jeff's new post.. its almost noon.
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5407. BiloxiGirl 3:26 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
What prevents the keys area from becoming an invest?
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5408. weatherfan92 3:28 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Wow the wave over Africa looks as big as T.D. 3!
5409. sfla82 3:27 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Good morning all! Just logged on and again its looking better for us here in S Fla! I know we are in the middle of the bullseye with Ana, but thats a good thing because it keeps shifting futher south so she shouldnt be an issue. Plus its only forecasted to be a Tropical storm if it comes this way which it wont. And IMO it looks more and more that TD3 which will be stronger will be a fish for sure. I think Bermuda will have to deal with it but overall a fish! We just keep dodging them down here in S. Fla!!!!
5410. CycloneOz 3:27 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
there is a live chat available on the xtremehurricanes.com live hurricane webcam page, but no one uses it...so very private
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5411. Chiggy007 3:27 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Kyle:

Yes Models are in good agreement but to me TD3 is barely a TD; I have seen much beter looking TDs before - this one has still has a broad circualtion moving WSW, center of which I make to be at 11.2N - 34.5W at the moment!
Just my opinion, ofcousre, but intesinty 3-5 days out is overdone - greatly may I add...!! We shall see...
5412. jpsb 3:27 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting philliesrock:
Don't forget about the thing near the Florida Keys right now! That has potential to be a sleeper storm that catches us all by surprise.
I am watching that one. We really need the rain in Texas, hoping nothing develops but a big Texas rain maker.
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5414. TheCaneWhisperer 3:27 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneKyle:
Where is Jeff's new post.. its almost noon.


He's got A LOT to update, lol.
5415. IKE 3:28 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
GOM system looks invest worthy.
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5417. 954FtLCane 3:28 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting BiloxiGirl:
What prevents the keys area from becoming an invest?


A couple of margarita's and a shot of Jager
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5418. Seastep 3:28 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting BiloxiGirl:
What prevents the keys area from becoming an invest?


No convergence.
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5419. atmoaggie 3:28 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
So here it is. We are all waiting to see to outcome of the dance of the ts and trough.
Ana fast or trough slow, then Ana south of MIA.
Ana slow or trough fast, then Ana misses FL entirely.
Trough weakens...(likely) prob FL somewhere and a recurve...(with very little chance of emerging into GoM.)

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5420. Nolehead 3:28 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneKyle:
Where is Jeff's new post.. its almost noon.


boarding up......lol..j/k
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5421. extreme236 3:29 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Chiggy007:
Kyle:

Yes Models are in good agreement but to me TD3 is barely a TD; I have seen much beter looking TDs before - this one has still has a broad circualtion moving WSW, center of which I make to be at 11.2N - 34.5W at the moment!
Just my opinion, ofcousre, but intesinty 3-5 days out is overdone - greatly may I add...!! We shall see...


Satellite estimates indicate its almost a TS already. Its not overdone, if anything it could be underdone if the conditions are as favorable as the HWRF shows it.
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5422. hurricanelover236 3:29 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Is everyone with me that florida is 100 percent in the clear right now? Like I said, much ado about nothing. Ana a gulf storm that hits the islands and fizzles. And td 3 if it forms will head out to sea.
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5423. Tazmanian 3:29 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
guys dont ues the word fish in tell TD 3 gets too 50W
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5424. JupiterFL 3:29 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting robie1conobie:
I agree with you in terms of these storms, but overall hurricane capital of the world? I think the folks in west pacific may have a tough time swallowing that.


That depends if you are talking Country or State. If you are comparing to the W. Pacific then you have to use the USA as a whole. I am sure someone on here knows the most likely country to be hit.
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5425. sfla82 3:29 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Now with these two looking more and more like they wont come my way I will now have to watch what is coming off the African coast!
5426. Orcasystems 3:29 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting foggymyst:
Orca, I saw you forecast picture.. not good. Will Ana open the path for a stronger "Bill"?


That would be a safe assumption... and you live a little to close to Zoo...
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5427. Nolehead 3:30 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
5415. IKE 3:28 PM GMT on August 15, 2009
GOM system looks invest worthy.



Ike i agree...GOM is way too hot....
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5429. jipmg 3:30 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Vortex95:


Still seems due west


it was moving WSW a moment ago, seems to be moving just south of due west now, if not due west.. the forecast was for it to move WSW for 6 hours then move W to WNW
5430. ackee 3:30 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:
On this visible you can really see TD3 moving WSW. What if he takes a nose dive lol..


Link
agree wonder how long it will continue move WSW
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5431. superweatherman 3:30 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    



GOM is in trouble
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5432. robie1conobie 3:30 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
called my mom in p'cola yesterday to see if she had seen anything about the wave over the keys; she said that the local mets had mentioned nothing of it. Although I do not think it become anything crazy, I do think it could be a td or so and cause lots of rain. If one of the other storms do get in the gulf, good luck keeping those trees up after a td soaking loosens up that soil.
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5433. 954FtLCane 3:31 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting hurricanelover236:
Is everyone with me that florida is 100 percent in the clear right now? Like I said, much ado about nothing. Ana a gulf storm that hits the islands and fizzles. And td 3 if it forms will head out to sea.


ummmmm... no
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5434. IKE 3:31 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
TD3 keeps going WSW, maybe South America feels it.

Ana looks terrible.
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5435. serialteg 3:31 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Chiggy007:
Kyle:

Yes Models are in good agreement but to me TD3 is barely a TD; I have seen much beter looking TDs before - this one has still has a broad circualtion moving WSW, center of which I make to be at 11.2N - 34.5W at the moment!
Just my opinion, ofcousre, but intesinty 3-5 days out is overdone - greatly may I add...!! We shall see...


what
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5436. atmoaggie 3:31 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting extreme236:


By one mph

Within the possible measurement error of vortex fixes...even if we had HHunters in there.
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5437. Hurricane4Lex 3:31 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting jpsb:
I am watching that one. We really need the rain in Texas, hoping nothing develops but a big Texas rain maker.


Uh no I'll just take frontal storms lest we incur 2001 all over again...
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5438. gbTracker 3:32 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Hey everyone. Could Bill eventually take over (absorb) Ana's energy and change track?
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5439. IKE 3:33 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting Nolehead:
5415. IKE 3:28 PM GMT on August 15, 2009
GOM system looks invest worthy.



Ike i agree...GOM is way too hot....


Has more convection then Ah-nah.
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5440. extreme236 3:32 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
12Z GFS coming out.
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5441. WPBHurricane05 3:32 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Gone for 2 hours and there are 20 more pages!!

If Ana goes toward the south of the cone it will be bad for both Hispaniola and Ana.
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5442. philliesrock 3:32 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
TD3 keeps going WSW, maybe South America feels it.

Ana looks terrible.

Almost no chance for South America to affect TD3. The weakness in the ridge will eventually pull it WNW.
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5443. Chiggy007 3:33 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Extreme:

HWRF intersity guidance has never materialized - always over cooking it - you know that!
TD3 will be barely a Hurricane before the Islands - my prediction! :)
5444. extreme236 3:33 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting gbTracker:
Hey everyone. Could Bill eventually take over (absorb) Ana's energy and change track?


None of the models currently suggest this.
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5446. tharpgomex 3:33 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
what I'm worried about in the Florida Panhandle.. this wave dumping a lot of rain on us.... and then what might come with Ana or future Bill
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5447. WPBHurricane05 3:33 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
As for the GOM system...it has been really windy and rainy all day in S. Florida.
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5449. superweatherman 3:33 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
If it pass GFDL path there will be nothing to weaken it... unless shear
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5450. robie1conobie 3:33 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
Quoting JupiterFL:


That depends if you are talking Country or State. If you are comparing to the W. Pacific then you have to use the USA as a whole. I am sure someone on here knows the most likely country to be hit.
Yeah I was quoting vortex who said hurricane capital of the world.
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5451. mobilegirl81 3:33 PM GMT en Agosto 15, 2009    
The key system is getting good spin.
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