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TD 2 nearly dead; African disturbance 90L gathering strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:38 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009 +4
Tropical Depression Two is near death, but is still worth watching. The dry, Saharan air to the north and west of the depression, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear of 15 - 20 knots, have almost completely destroyed all of TD 2's heavy thunderstorms. Satellite loops of the storm show a well-formed circulation, but almost no heavy thunderstorm activity.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the modereate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C three days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly, and some of the models indicate the TD 2 may get destroyed in the next day or two. However, several models still predict TD 2 will become a tropical storm. The HWRF model predicts TD 2 will become a hurricane five days from now, but this seems unlikely given the dry air and relatively high wind shear affecting the storm.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

African tropical wave 90L
A strong tropical wave with a large circulation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity is a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. NHC dubbed this disturbance 90L this morning. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a very large circulation, and top winds of about 30 mph. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are in two major bands, to the north and to the south of the center. There is no heavy thunderstorm activity near the center yet, and this would have to happen before 90L can be named Tropical Depression Three. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two has been. Wind shear is about 20 knots over 90L, and is forecast to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days, which are high enough above the 26°C threshold for tropical cyclone formation to allow some slow development to occur. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave, though they are now less aggressive about intensifying it than they were in earlier runs. The consensus among the reliable HWRF, GFDL, GFS, and ECMWF models is to bring 90L to point near or just north of the northernmost Lesser Antilles Islands 6 - 8 days from now. The storm could be at hurricane strength by then, as forecast by the SHIPS intensity model.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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2201. weatherblog 1:18 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting kingzfan104:
if you had to guess, and it hit the florida east coast, would that be se florida, and how strong do you think it would be if that happened


I think SE Florida is probable but really it could anywhere on the coast. If it were to hit Florida it is most likely it would recurve up the state like Frances and Jeanne and not make it in the GOM. But, as far as the CONUS goes, I'm more worried about Florida since that would be the first place to be hit and there'll be more than enough time to worry about another landfall.
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2202. jdjnola 1:20 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

NOLA tap water kills swine flu virus?...useful info!


Disclaimer: this does not constitute medical advice!
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2203. conchygirl 1:19 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

NOLA tap water kills swine flu virus?...useful info!
Now that is funny!lol
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2204. wunderkidcayman 1:21 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting weatherblog:
One things for sure, this is not a Gulf storm. A trough will eventually bring this north, where is the question.

These are my percentages for a CONUS hit for 90L-

Recurve- 30%
Florida east coast- 35%
The rest of the east coast- 30%
Dissipate- 4%
GOM- 1%

We also need to watch TD 2 as regeneration is possible, and it could possibly threaten Florida as models are suggesting.

I think we need to watch ex-TD2 as well but knowing how weak it is I think it will likely to be a caribbean system
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2205. kingzfan104 1:21 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
2207. pcolasky 1:22 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting conchygirl:
Now that is funny!lol


Bottle it!
2208. rwdobson 1:23 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

NOLA tap water kills swine flu virus?...useful info!


well, most municipal water supplies do have trace amounts of pharms in them...mostly hormones and statins (cholesterol drugs)...and caffeine...'course you'd have to drink a few 1000 gallons to get a dose
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2209. conchygirl 1:25 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting pcolasky:


Bottle it!
ok, what shall we call it?
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2210. extreme236 1:27 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
HWRF and GFDL both make 90L a powerful hurricane on their 18Z run.
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2211. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 1:27 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting ALCoastGambler:
KOTG, Got a question. I know you the right one, so I will trust your answer....lol
Was always told, higher foward speed storms are harder to "recurve". Right or Wrong?
yes but no as they slow they slow fast and can back track
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2212. boomerang08 1:27 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:

I think we need to watch ex-TD2 as well but knowing how weak it is I think it will likely to be a caribbean system

thats what im seeing too
2213. pcolasky 1:27 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
I live in the northern gulf coast, and the local TV stations are reporting that the wave over the islands is going to come this way. Therefore, we have a 60% chance of rain for Sun, Mon, and Tues. Any thoughts from the wise predictors out there?
2214. kingzfan104 1:28 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
2215. BILOXISAINT2 1:28 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting weatherblog:
One things for sure, this is not a Gulf storm. A trough will eventually bring this north, where is the question.

These are my percentages for a CONUS hit for 90L-

Recurve- 30%
Florida east coast- 35%
The rest of the east coast- 30%
Dissipate- 4%
GOM- 1%

We also need to watch TD 2 as regeneration is possible, and it could possibly threaten Florida as models are suggesting.
Clueless
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2216. gator23 1:29 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting pcolasky:
I live in the northern gulf coast, and the local TV stations are reporting that the wave over the islands is going to come this way. Therefore, we have a 60% chance of rain for Sun, Mon, and Tues. Any thoughts from the wise predictors out there?

That seems accurate but development is not forecast
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2217. gator23 1:30 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting BILOXISAINT2:
Clueless


All this where will it go is moot. Long range forecasts mean nothing

This is from Max Mayfields blog yesterday:

"In my opinion, there is a very good reason that the NHC only issues forecasts out to five days. At this time, the science doesn’t support an official forecast beyond that time period. However, the Internet has made it easy for anyone to view the longer range forecasts. No one can tell you with any certainty how accurate they will be."
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2218. Skyepony (Mod) 1:30 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting kingzfan104:
which are the better ones to look at, the ensemble models or the regular computer models here? please help guys. i know most of you had me on ignore, but please help me. that was me last year, i am no longer looking to be a nuisance, please take me off ignore, i have serious questions.


Model preformance tends to vary per storm, season, etc. Here's all the model errors for TD2 over time. 90L hasn't been around long enough to compare model preformance.
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2219. ALCoastGambler 1:31 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
yes but no as they slow they slow fast and can back track
But I was told correctly. Thought so Just checking. So as long as it doesn't slow it's harder to turn, or slow to quickly, or backtrack. Ok think I got it. Thanks, Alan
2221. HurricaneLovr75 1:31 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
What up all.

What are the chances of invest 90 being a Cat 5 at landfall if it reaches the GOM? Asking cuz the GOM is so warm.
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2222. KATRINABILOXIGIRL 1:32 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting BILOXISAINT2:
Clueless
hey Biloxi Saint you wouldn't happen to be the cableman would ya?
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2223. kingzfan104 1:32 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
2224. wunderkidcayman 1:32 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
TD2 is also running into 10-15kt shear and decreasing as it moves north of dew west
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2225. squirrel61 1:33 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
I hope this will not be interpreted as an attack or bickering, but I feel I will make few friends with this commment...
Jeff, I realize that this is yours and others livelihood, and you love your jobs, but I find it a bit disconcerting when these storms are anthropomorphized on the site, and it seems as if there is genuine disappointment when disturbances do not turn into tropical storms or hurricanes...we should marvel at nature, but like Frankenstein and his monster, realize we cannot forget the potential ramifications of anything coming to fruition in our enthusiasm for what we do and live for.
I turn to your site for straight up and accurate info since I live in a hurricane hotspot...
2226. HurricaneKyle 1:33 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Guys just ignore KerryinNOLA. Don't quote him.
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2227. BILOXISAINT2 1:34 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
The facts dont lie. TD2..Ana..wrong.. The blob over Africa.. Bill... Wrong..Just let the pros do their job and comment on that!
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2228. gator23 1:34 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
Never said that captain. Have dropped the we because the "big boys" felt threatened. They apparently feel if your not in crowd your not entitled to give opinion, they call it downcasting. If only they could practise what they preach. Even thought there are 3 of us (read last PM post) we are now I.

I think people were just taken at back by what you said because you seemed so sure when in reality you cant be.
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2229. BILOXISAINT2 1:35 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
i am, and who are you?
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2230. adrianalynne 1:35 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Just looked at the long rage GFS for 90L.... Cat 3 (or higher) hitting FL? ...... Let's see how much things change....
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2231. gator23 1:35 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneLovr75:
What up all.

What are the chances of invest 90 being a Cat 5 at landfall if it reaches the GOM? Asking cuz the GOM is so warm.

No one can answer this. not even god.
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2232. jdjnola 1:35 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting conchygirl:
ok, what shall we call it?


I'll get banned if I say it...
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2233. GreGrenada 1:35 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    

Slow, slow, quick-quick slow, Foxtrot, anyone?
:-)

If either TD2 or 90L make it to me [@12-61.7], that'd only be a TS, right? The lower, the weaker?
Real question: What are my chances of another Ivan, or Emily, compared to, say, PR or Barbados?
2234. CaneWarning 1:35 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting squirrel61:
I hope this will not be interpreted as an attack or bickering, but I feel I will make few friends with this commment...
Jeff, I realize that this is yours and others livelihood, and you love your jobs, but I find it a bit disconcerting when these storms are anthropomorphized on the site, and it seems as if there is genuine disappointment when disturbances do not turn into tropical storms or hurricanes...we should marvel at nature, but like Frankenstein and his monster, realize we cannot forget the potential ramifications of anything coming to fruition in our enthusiasm for what we do and live for.
I turn to your site for straight up and accurate info since I live in a hurricane hotspot...


I have never seen Dr. Masters seem disappointed when something didn't form. Some on his blog may be like that but he doesn't control what they post.
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2235. KATRINABILOXIGIRL 1:36 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting BILOXISAINT2:
i am, and who are you?
I am the mail lady bro what's up!!
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2236. jaxbeachbum 1:36 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Congrats on your promotion to captain aqauk9. LOL!

Quoting KerryInNOLA:
Never said that captain. Have dropped the we because the "big boys" felt threatened. They apparently feel if your not in crowd your not entitled to give opinion, they call it downcasting. If only they could practise what they preach. Even thought there are 3 of us (read last PM post) we are now I.
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2237. jdjnola 1:37 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
The-artist-formerly-known-as-TD2 is the "low pressure remnant" (per the NHC) that just won't die.
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2238. Melagoo 1:37 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneLovr75:
What up all.

What are the chances of invest 90 being a Cat 5 at landfall if it reaches the GOM? Asking cuz the GOM is so warm.


Kinda Early ...
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2239. BILOXISAINT2 1:37 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
No Way!
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2240. Tazmanian 1:38 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
guys whats wait in tell the storm gets too 50W then we will no more for sure where it will go then
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2241. clwstmchasr 1:38 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Baromter Bob and StormW are on and talking about 90L... Saying that somewhere in the U.S. in the next 10 days Hurricane Watches will probably be issued....

"Hurrincane watches"??? We don't even have a tropical depression, it is over 3,000 miles and we're talking about potential hurricane watches. Are you sure you heard right? It is way too early to have that conversation.
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2242. KATRINABILOXIGIRL 1:38 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting BILOXISAINT2:
No Way!
yes way. what's ur take on things...just a wait and see right?
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2243. CaneWarning 1:39 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting clwstmchasr:
Baromter Bob and StormW are on and talking about 90L... Saying that somewhere in the U.S. in the next 10 days Hurricane Watches will probably be issued....

"Hurrincane watches"??? We don't even have a tropical depression, it is over 3,000 miles and we're talking about potential hurricane watches. Are you sure you heard right? It is way too early to have that conversation.


It's all speculation...
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2244. HurricaneLovr75 1:40 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
How many people think the Northeast US is over due to be hit with a Hurricane?
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2245. gator23 1:40 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:


It's all speculation...

and pretty ridiculous...
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2247. gator23 1:41 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneLovr75:
How many people think the Northeast US is over due to be hit with a Hurricane?

dude, your killing me...
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2248. presslord 1:41 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
there is a great deal of 'straight up and accurate' information on this site...but if you're depending on the Comments section of a blog for that then you deserve whatever misfortune befalls you...
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2249. PortABeachBum 1:41 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting squirrel61:
... I live in a hurricane hotspot...

Who, within 100 km of any coast on any seas doesn't?
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2250. jdjnola 1:41 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneLovr75:
What up all.

What are the chances of invest 90 being a Cat 5 at landfall if it reaches the GOM? Asking cuz the GOM is so warm.


Greater than or equal to 0% and less than or equal to 100%.
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2251. BILOXISAINT2 1:42 AM GMT en Agosto 14, 2009    
It has to be. Been watching this stuff for years. Most of these folks wish for something to happen. having been thru Betsy,Camille,Fredric.Elena,katrina, I am hoping for NOTHING.
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