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TD 2 nearly dead; African disturbance 90L gathering strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:38 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009 +4
Tropical Depression Two is near death, but is still worth watching. The dry, Saharan air to the north and west of the depression, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear of 15 - 20 knots, have almost completely destroyed all of TD 2's heavy thunderstorms. Satellite loops of the storm show a well-formed circulation, but almost no heavy thunderstorm activity.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the modereate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C three days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly, and some of the models indicate the TD 2 may get destroyed in the next day or two. However, several models still predict TD 2 will become a tropical storm. The HWRF model predicts TD 2 will become a hurricane five days from now, but this seems unlikely given the dry air and relatively high wind shear affecting the storm.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

African tropical wave 90L
A strong tropical wave with a large circulation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity is a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. NHC dubbed this disturbance 90L this morning. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a very large circulation, and top winds of about 30 mph. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are in two major bands, to the north and to the south of the center. There is no heavy thunderstorm activity near the center yet, and this would have to happen before 90L can be named Tropical Depression Three. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two has been. Wind shear is about 20 knots over 90L, and is forecast to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days, which are high enough above the 26°C threshold for tropical cyclone formation to allow some slow development to occur. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave, though they are now less aggressive about intensifying it than they were in earlier runs. The consensus among the reliable HWRF, GFDL, GFS, and ECMWF models is to bring 90L to point near or just north of the northernmost Lesser Antilles Islands 6 - 8 days from now. The storm could be at hurricane strength by then, as forecast by the SHIPS intensity model.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1801. SouthALWX 10:42 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
18Z Gfs ... Always bucking the other runs =P Not that I believe it, but it definitely shows the complexity of the steering even 2-3 knots per hour faster over 10 days makes a huge difference here.
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1802. FirstCoastMan 10:42 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Does anyone have the link for the 18z gfs..TIA
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1803. CybrTeddy 10:42 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting DM21Altestic:
lol, every storm is the next Andrew. Why don't they just give the name, Andrew Jr. or, Andrew XXXVIII? You take a crack at why the NHC didn't do that.


[spoiler=because not every CV storm hits Florida and goes into the Gulf like Andrew did, hint hint [/spoiler]


And every storm doesn't harmlessly curve out to sea. The point is, be prepared regardless.
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1804. WxLogic 10:42 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
GFS is way too inconsistent with the speed of this system to be considered credible.


Hehe yeah... but I did noticed that the Bermuda high was stronger as I would have expect... not in the long range but once it start heading into the Carib... seem the Bermuda High is holding its own. Which would explain the minimized effect of the trough.
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1805. WxLogic 10:43 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting FirstCoastMan:
Does anyone have the link for the 18z gfs..TIA


Here you go:

Link
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1809. Tazmanian 10:45 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
i think that wave N of PR has some sight turing with it
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1810. Stormchaser2007 10:45 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
18Z

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1811. WPBHurricane05 10:47 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
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1812. Drakoen 10:47 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
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1813. CybrTeddy 10:47 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
18Z



A shift south?
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1815. IKE 10:48 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Trough doesn't make it as far south and as far east at 10 days on this run.

That's why it's impossible to say on ANY runs from ANY model.

The islands have a chance of being hit. Beyond that impossible...

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1816. tbrett 10:48 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
WxLogic: I am a firm believer in "better safe then sorry" I have lived with an active volcano for 4 1/2 years so my family has a very good evacuation plan. I have already started preparing for this system, if t does not come then I am that much more prepared for the next one. It's Mother Nature, no one knows for sure what is she has planned.
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1817. SouthALWX 10:49 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
You WANT to be in a cat5? You're crazy =]
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1818. weatherfan92 10:49 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
18Z



Looks pretty consistent.
1819. Chucktown 10:49 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Also on the 18 Z GFS "forecast" track, I would expect the storm to much weaker than shown, especially if it rakes across the islands and mountainous Cuba
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1820. farhaonhebrew 10:49 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Relix:

No! Though to be honest we are quite overdue from receiving the full brunt of a Cat 5. It's been what... nearly 70 years? Statistically we are about to be hit by one soon. I am honestly ready for that one with the sole exception I live 1 mile away from the beach =P


I think that in Puerto Rico will not sustain a cat. 5 hurricane, that we are too urbanized and overcrowded ... the wind damage, plus the amount of rain (because of our topography) would be unprecedented compared to ... Andrew and Katrina together...


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1821. Dakster 10:49 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Tazmanian:



its dead


Thanks for the opinion...

Now to watch 90L... Hopefully it falls apart too.
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1823. louisianaboy444 10:51 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Look at the Divergence aloft on 90L i have a feeling this is going to pop tonight for Dmax
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1824. farhaonhebrew 10:51 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Relix:

No! Though to be honest we are quite overdue from receiving the full brunt of a Cat 5. It's been what... nearly 70 years? Statistically we are about to be hit by one soon. I am honestly ready for that one with the sole exception I live 1 mile away from the beach =P


I think that in Puerto Rico will not sustain a cat.5 hurricane that we are too urbanized and overcrowded ... the wind damage, plus the amount of rain (because of our topography) would be unprecedented compared to ... Andrew and Katrina together


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1825. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 10:51 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
mail sent 456
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1826. cyclonekid 10:52 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
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1827. Drakoen 10:52 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
90L is a very large circulation.
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1828. SouthALWX 10:52 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
If you look close the GFS has it thrreading the needle through the straits so it might not necessarily be weaker. More than looking at the model per it's track, I think the screaming message here is "timing".
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1829. tbrett 10:52 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
DM2altestic - Doesn't help, I live on the border of the Windwards & leewards but am classified as Leewards so I guess I am 50/50 LOL
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1830. kingzfan104 10:52 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
1831. weatherfan92 10:53 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting louisianaboy444:
Look at the Divergence aloft on 90L i have a feeling this is going to pop tonight for Dmax


What is Dmax?
1832. IKE 10:53 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
18Z NOGAPS......

heads 90L toward the islands...similar to the GFS.

Takes the blob north of DR/Haiti into the western Florida panhandle...

EX-TD2 shows up nicely east of the Bahamas...
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1834. kingzfan104 10:54 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
1835. Tazmanian 10:54 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting SouthALWX:
You WANT to be in a cat5? You're crazy =]



welll if he wants to be in a cat 5 i get a row boat for him and next time we have a cat 5 some where he can row out in a row boat
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1837. SouthALWX 10:54 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
18z takes it to around the PCB area
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1839. IKE 10:55 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
My dock gets smashed again...

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1842. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 10:56 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
90L is a very large circulation.
could even be too big that can effect dev as well
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1843. wunderkidcayman 10:56 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
guys I think ex- TD2 will regenerate back into TD2 by tomorrow morning convection will increase during D-MAX and build up around the COC I mean look at it it is gaining convection and the bands from 90L pre-TD3
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1844. kingzfan104 10:56 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
1845. louisianaboy444 10:56 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
What is Dmax?

Early in the morning when the ocean temperature is greater than the air temperature it causes a temperature gradient and warm air rises from the gulf(because it is less dense) causing an unstable atmosphere which in turn causes thunderstorms or in other words convection
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1846. presslord 10:58 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting weatherfan92:


What is Dmax?


it's the same thing as a Hebert Box...
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1847. antonio28 10:57 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting farhaonhebrew:


I think that in Puerto Rico will not sustain a cat. 5 hurricane, that we are too urbanized and overcrowded ... the wind damage, plus the amount of rain (because of our topography) would be unprecedented compared to ... Andrew and Katrina together...




That's is my greeatest fear with this one. Has been over 70 years...since last cat 5.
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1848. ALCoastGambler 10:57 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
My dock gets smashed again...

My luck Ike, Model is wrong and it is 100mi. West
1849. CaneWarning 10:57 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting DM21Altestic:

Yeah, I'm on a BOAT! Everybody look at me, 'cuz I'm sailing on a boat!


I love that SNL skit!
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1851. ssmate 10:57 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
Trough doesn't make it as far south and as far east at 10 days on this run.

That's why it's impossible to say on ANY runs from ANY model.

The islands have a chance of being hit. Beyond that impossible...


Ike is Right!
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