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TD 2 nearly dead; African disturbance 90L gathering strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:38 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009 +4
Tropical Depression Two is near death, but is still worth watching. The dry, Saharan air to the north and west of the depression, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear of 15 - 20 knots, have almost completely destroyed all of TD 2's heavy thunderstorms. Satellite loops of the storm show a well-formed circulation, but almost no heavy thunderstorm activity.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the modereate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C three days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly, and some of the models indicate the TD 2 may get destroyed in the next day or two. However, several models still predict TD 2 will become a tropical storm. The HWRF model predicts TD 2 will become a hurricane five days from now, but this seems unlikely given the dry air and relatively high wind shear affecting the storm.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

African tropical wave 90L
A strong tropical wave with a large circulation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity is a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. NHC dubbed this disturbance 90L this morning. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a very large circulation, and top winds of about 30 mph. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are in two major bands, to the north and to the south of the center. There is no heavy thunderstorm activity near the center yet, and this would have to happen before 90L can be named Tropical Depression Three. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two has been. Wind shear is about 20 knots over 90L, and is forecast to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days, which are high enough above the 26°C threshold for tropical cyclone formation to allow some slow development to occur. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave, though they are now less aggressive about intensifying it than they were in earlier runs. The consensus among the reliable HWRF, GFDL, GFS, and ECMWF models is to bring 90L to point near or just north of the northernmost Lesser Antilles Islands 6 - 8 days from now. The storm could be at hurricane strength by then, as forecast by the SHIPS intensity model.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1701. Cavin Rawlins 10:13 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
TD 2

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1702. louisianaboy444 10:13 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
the "wish" part --- In order not to be called a wish/down/west/north/florida/etc caster... you have to just state facts. Once you start giving any type of opinion you become a caster

many of the models are now showing a strong mid to upper level trough over the SEUS in that time frame which could potentially steer what is 90L away from the Eastern seaboard depending on the timing of the trough some models predict the trough could come in soon enough to turn 90l out to sea....Happy?
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1703. wunderkidcayman 10:13 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting stormpetrol:
Slowly but surely former td2 is showing signs of regeneration , looks as though shear might have lighten up a bit ahead of it.

as I said we go to bed knowing TD2 is a remnant low we wake up and at 5am newly re-born TD2
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1704. Relix 10:13 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
TD2 is fighting the good fight! I wouldn't mind a minimal TS here in PR to be honest =P. 40MPHs. Quick passing. Bring a thrill or two. Anything beyond TS is not welcome here in PR though! shoo shoo sho!
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1706. DDR 10:14 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Good evening all.
456,any decent rain yesterday?
I'm getting too much rain in my area,When the itcz settles over in August its not nice.
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1707. JRRP 10:14 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
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1709. Prgal 10:15 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Relix:
TD2 is fighting the good fight! I wouldn't mind a minimal TS here in PR to be honest =P. 40MPHs. Quick passing. Bring a thrill or two. Anything beyond TS is not welcome here in PR though! shoo shoo sho!

I dont mind a tropical storm, but I dont want another David, Hugo or Georges. No way!
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1710. Cavin Rawlins 10:15 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting DDR:
Good evening all.
456,any decent rain yesterday?
I'm getting too much rain in my area,When the itcz settles over in August its not nice.


yes, it rained heavy all last night. Was very refreshing since nights here can be warm.
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1711. MississippiWx 10:16 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Not sure how much there is to this, but the area north of the DR is very interesting to watch on visible satellite right now.

Visible
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1712. melwerle 10:17 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting SavannahStorm:
Anyone that takes the GFS out 160+ hours as a fact obviously hasn't been paying attention. GFS has shown 90l to hit everything from Texas to Nova Scotia, and it changes each run. Despite the assertions of a certain someone, nothing is set in stone- nothing.

Give the system about 4-5 days, then we'll have a much better idea of where it is going once it reached the Antilles.


Thank you for being a voice of reason, Savannah!
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1714. ALCoastGambler 10:18 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting leftovers:
i fricken mad sure my computer is old but it was running perfectly until i clicked on this site now its screwed. before you all cash your check think about it it is characters like mind that got hurt by your failure to keep your systems clean enjoy your vacations
What are you talking about now?
1716. rxse7en 10:18 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Are TD2 and 90L developed enough for a slight Fujiwhara effect? Perhaps TD2 will start a more southerly track if it's not absorbed?
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1717. MississippiWx 10:18 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting MississippiWx:
Not sure how much there is to this, but the area north of the DR is very interesting to watch on visible satellite right now.

Visible


What's even more interesting about this area is how it appears to have a low shear environment and possible an upper high, allowing ventilation (outflow) in all directions. I have a feeling this will dissipate overnight, but you never know this time of year.
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1719. SavannahStorm 10:19 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
No problem, mel. How's SoCal? It's been monsoon season here, it has rained every afternoon, heavily, for the past 2 months.
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1720. drg0dOwnCountry 10:19 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting sky1989:
Like Louisanaboy, I hope that this storm stays away from all landmasses. But like Weather456 says, whatever this storm does it completely out of our control. Whatever we want it to do, or whatever we think it will do does not affect what will actually happen. We must continuously monitor what is going on, and always be prepared for the worst.

On a sidenote.
Reducing Greenhouse gas emissions in the first place, would help to prevent such super forces.
For example, more Co2 emission means hotter oceans.

Now, i agree it's out of human control.
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1722. rxse7en 10:19 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting SavannahStorm:
Anyone that takes the GFS out 160+ hours as a fact obviously hasn't been paying attention. GFS has shown 90l to hit everything from Texas to Nova Scotia, and it changes each run. Despite the assertions of a certain someone, nothing is set in stone- nothing.

Give the system about 4-5 days, then we'll have a much better idea of where it is going once it reached the Antilles.
Wish I still had my "Set in stone" graphic from five years ago :D
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1723. TStormSC 10:19 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
We are doing better this year, but are slipping back onto the drought monitor map. Reservoirs never fully recovered. We still rely on tropical systems and haven't seen anything in the past two years...
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1725. mrpuertorico 10:20 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Prgal:

I dont mind a tropical storm, but I dont want another David, Hugo or Georges. No way!


Jean wasnt any fun either no light or water for 5 days
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1726. amd 10:21 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    

Quoting DM21Altestic:

2007 in particular was most notorious for the "certain kinds of caster"

*wishcaster - the art of wishing a storm to develop or hit a certain landform

*downcaster - the art of wishing a storm to dissipate, triggering the anger of wishcasters

*fishcaster - the art of wishing a CV storm to go out to sea and not hit the United States or land masses points southward, triggering the anger of westcasters

*westcaster - the art of wishing a storm (usually a CV storm) to go west and miss the chance to go out to sea, and instead hit land (possibly the United States).

*eastcaster - the art of wishing a storm (generally a Gulf storm) to bend further to the right. This was seen with Fay (2008).

*northcaster - the art of wishing a storm to miss the Yucatan Peninsula and instead go through the Yucatan Channel and miss the land masses to the west and east, seen with Emily and Wilma (2005) and Dean (2007).


yep, that year was full of 'casters, especially with Karen and Dean.
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1728. stormsurge39 10:21 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Over my life of watching Tropical Storms And Hurricanes, One thing is consistant, Weather can and will always suprise you. Its always changing. I give props to the people that put the time in forecasting storms to save lives.
1731. TerraNova 10:23 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting rxse7en:
Are TD2 and 90L developed enough for a slight Fujiwhara effect? Perhaps TD2 will start a more southerly track if it's not absorbed?


CMC was actually showing both storms nearing hurricane strength and merging in the CATL a few days ago (which I and pretty much everybody else on here made fun of), they're probably too far apart and since they're heading in roughly the same direction at about the same speed any interaction would be at most minimal.
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1732. ktymisty 10:22 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Article in today's paper about the mess in Taiwan - they might be doing something horrible to the weather bureau for 'not predicting the typhoon'- not fair for those guys :(

http://www.smh.com.au/world/typhoon-victims-tell-the-president-to-get-moving-20090813-ejwn.html
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1733. MississippiWx 10:22 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
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1735. louisianaboy444 10:23 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
An anticyclone has developed over 90L which should aid in upper level divergence and outflow which should cause the low to strengthen,deepen,and allow convection to form...
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1738. TxKeef 10:23 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting rxse7en:
Are TD2 and 90L developed enough for a slight Fujiwhara effect? Perhaps TD2 will start a more southerly track if it's not absorbed?


I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure they'd both have to get quite a bit stronger before that could even become a possibility and even then I'm not sure they're close enough to eachother. but don't quote me on that:P
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1739. Cavin Rawlins 10:24 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Infrared/Shear/Surface obs

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1741. rxse7en 10:24 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting DM21Altestic:

no, silly, it seems like whenever there's two weak storms in the vicinity of one another the "Fujiwhara" word gets mentioned, which is quite insane because in actuality it's a rare occurance and only happens between two mature hurricanes or very strong tropical storms.
I don't think it requires mature systems, just cyclonic vortices. More mature systems probably see a larger effect, hence my "slight" comment.
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1746. louisianaboy444 10:26 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
that i agree lol

Oh so i redeemed myself? lol
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1747. CybrTeddy 10:27 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Some convection building on 90L.
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1748. SouthALWX 10:27 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting DM21Altestic:

no, silly, it seems like whenever there's two weak storms in the vicinity of one another the "Fujiwhara" word gets mentioned, which is quite insane because in actuality it's a rare occurance and only happens between two mature hurricanes or very strong tropical storms.

Its not as rare as you might think and in theory could affect any two cyclones or anticyclones and is far more likely to be a regular occurence that just goes mostly unnoticed except in extreme cases.
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1750. Tazmanian 10:28 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
It appears that, of all things, a La Nina is developing in the Atlantic:

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1751. Relix 10:28 PM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Prgal:

I dont mind a tropical storm, but I dont want another David, Hugo or Georges. No way!

No! Though to be honest we are quite overdue from receiving the full brunt of a Cat 5. It's been what... nearly 70 years? Statistically we are about to be hit by one soon. I am honestly ready for that one with the sole exception I live 1 mile away from the beach =P
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