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TD 2 struggling; new African wave bears watching
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:19 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009 +2
Tropical Depression Two is struggling. The depression still has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm this week, but the dry, Saharan air that surrounds the storm, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear, are interfering with the storm's organization. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is limited to the west side of the depression. This is due to strong winds out of the southeast that are creating a moderate 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. The intensity and coverage of these thunderstorms is meager, thanks to the large amount of dry air to TD 2's north that is getting wrapped into the circulation. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a well-formed surface circulation, with top winds of about 30 - 35 mph.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and will not change much over the next three days. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, it does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will eventually be able to become Tropical Storm Ana sometime in the next three days. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands. For now, TD 2 doesn't concern me as much as the new tropical wave to its southeast, just off the coast of Africa.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left center of image) and a new tropical wave (right side of image), newly emerged from the coast of Africa.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A strong tropical wave with some rotation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity left the coast of Africa yesterday, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave late this week. Both of these models indicate that the wave would track further south than Tropical Depression Two, and could impact the Lesser Antilles Islands in about seven days. This storm bears close attention over the coming days.

Two other tropical waves, one that just passed through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 300 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

Felicia moves through Hawaiian Islands as a tropical depression
Tropical Storm Felicia weakened to a tropical depression before passing through the Hawaiian Islands yesterday. The storm brought scattered heavy rains of 1 - 2 inches to the islands, and no damage was reported. Felicia is only the 10th tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or higher to hit the islands since 1950. Four other tropical cyclones have passed within 75 miles of the islands during that time period.

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2701. tornadofan 10:32 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Am I seeing this right? 6z GFS now develops 90L, but it quickly falls apart as it heads toward the Islands.

Link
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2702. HurricaneKyle 10:34 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting tornadofan:
Am I seeing this right? 6z GFS now develops 90L, but it quickly falls apart as it heads toward the Islands.

Link


Leave it to the GFS to kill something off that its been developing into a monster for weeks. Last night it had it as a Category 4/5 hitting New Orleans.
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2703. Cavin Rawlins 10:34 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Be prepared, as you have nothing to lose

Saint Maarten, Wednesday

“I call on the community to make sure you have everything in place and your storm ready. Everybody must take the required actions to minimize the risk of injury and damage to property in case there is a hurricane strike, and the time to act is now if you haven’t already. Remember our theme for the season, ‘It only takes one – Be Prepared’,” Fire Commander Salomon told the Government Information Service (GIS) on Wednesday.
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2704. Cavin Rawlins 10:38 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting tornadofan:
Am I seeing this right? 6z GFS now develops 90L, but it quickly falls apart as it heads toward the Islands.

Link


The 06Z GFS splits 90L in two, with one weakening as it heads towards the islands and other behind which is stronger. resulting in a slower evolution than previous runs. It does not seem the 06Z run is handling 90L well. But the 12Z and 00Z are more reliable anyway.

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2705. Cotillion 10:39 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
I'm pretty sure the B/A High was much stronger in 2007 than now, though.

Reason why Dean and Felix tracked fairly south, as well as Felix having very high winds for a fairly highish pressure for a Cat 5 (929mb.)
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2706. TropicalFlowerPower 10:39 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Can somebody tell me the difference between the "computer models" and the "ensemble models"?
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2707. HurricaneJoe 10:40 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
I need to sign off, hopefully our systems survive the day

Also, thank you to all of you who replied to my post last night on meteorology degrees. It really helped, and I really appreciate it!
2708. Cotillion 10:43 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Hmm, query - models (excepting hurricane specifics - GFDL/HWRF) are notorious for not having the resolution for dealing with very low pressures. So, 990mb cyclones on the GFS may be closer to 930mb in reality, for example.

How do they deal with high pressures? As I notice the GFS has it around the 1035 mark. (Which would be fairly strong for the B/A High. Quite easterly as well.. more chance of recurvature if it plays out.)
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2709. weatherblog 10:44 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
I think 90L has more of a chance of recurving out to sea than taking a Dean track. A trough is supposed to draw the system north-- where it turns is the question. As far as the CONUS goes, anywhere from the eastern GOM to Maine needs to be on the lookout. Actually everyone should already be prepared.
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2710. futuremet 10:44 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
The weakness caused by strengthening would deflect Bill out-to-sea, according to the ECMWF

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2711. MahFL 10:47 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
There are now a few slightly cooler cloud tops on TD2, it might be making a comeback, blue on the sat pic, of course we really need to see yellow and reds....
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2712. homelesswanderer 10:47 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Cotillion:
Hmm, query - models (excepting hurricane specifics - GFDL/HWRF) are notorious for not having the resolution for dealing with very low pressures. So, 990mb cyclones on the GFS may be closer to 930mb in reality, for example.

How do they deal with high pressures? As I notice the GFS has it around the 1035 mark. (Which would be fairly strong for the B/A High. Quite easterly as well.. more chance of recurvature if it plays out.)


I hope it pans out. Apparently no one gave the NWS that memo.

THE FRONT WILL GRADUALLY WASH OUT BY THE WEEKEND AS THE BERMUDA
HIGH BUILDS WEST.
SRLY WINDS WILL BECOME RE-ESTABLISHED SATURDAY.
MODELS INDICATE A WAVE DEVELOPING ON THE WRN EDGE OF THE BERMUDA
HIGH BY LATE IN THE WEEKEND. AT THIS TIME...IT APPEARS THIS
DISTURBANCE WILL REMAIN EAST OF THE AREA...KEEPING BEST MOISTURE
AND RAIN OVER PORTIONS OF SE LA...MS AND AL. HOWEVER...INCREASING
MOISTURE IS EXPECTED WITH SRLY FLOW ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF AN
INVERTED TROUGH OVER THE WRN GULF. AS A RESULT...HAVE INCREASED
POPS SLIGHTLY OVER SERN ZONES SUNDAY THROUGH TUESDAY. TEMPS ARE
EXPECTED TO RUN NEAR NORMAL THROUGH THE EARLY PART OF THE WEEK.

BY MIDWEEK...MID AND UPPER LEVEL HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD OVER THE
SERN STATES INTO TX...ALLOWING FOR THE RETURN OF ABOVE NORMAL AFTN
TEMPS. TRENDED POPS GRADUALLY DOWNWARD WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY AS
THE AREA COMES INCREASINGLY UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE UPPER
RIDGE...WITH JUST A FEW SHOWERS OR THUNDERSTORMS POSSIBLE EACH
AFTN IN ASSOCIATION WITH LOW LEVEL MOISTURE ALONG THE SEABREEZE.

We just can't get no love. Or rain. :( Lol. But it seems like a strong BH at least for today.
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2713. Cavin Rawlins 10:48 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:
The weakness caused by strengthening would deflect Bill out-to-sea, according to the ECMWF



and straight to Bermuda

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2714. Cavin Rawlins 10:50 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
The 06Z GFS is also trending out to sea.

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2715. IKE 10:51 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Latest GFS.....

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2716. Cotillion 10:51 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


and straight to Bermuda



Fabian type track?
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2717. HurricaneKyle 10:56 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


I hope it pans out. Apparently no one gave the NWS that memo.

THE FRONT WILL GRADUALLY WASH OUT BY THE WEEKEND AS THE BERMUDA
HIGH BUILDS WEST.
SRLY WINDS WILL BECOME RE-ESTABLISHED SATURDAY.
MODELS INDICATE A WAVE DEVELOPING ON THE WRN EDGE OF THE BERMUDA
HIGH BY LATE IN THE WEEKEND. AT THIS TIME...IT APPEARS THIS
DISTURBANCE WILL REMAIN EAST OF THE AREA...KEEPING BEST MOISTURE
AND RAIN OVER PORTIONS OF SE LA...MS AND AL. HOWEVER...INCREASING
MOISTURE IS EXPECTED WITH SRLY FLOW ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF AN
INVERTED TROUGH OVER THE WRN GULF. AS A RESULT...HAVE INCREASED
POPS SLIGHTLY OVER SERN ZONES SUNDAY THROUGH TUESDAY. TEMPS ARE
EXPECTED TO RUN NEAR NORMAL THROUGH THE EARLY PART OF THE WEEK.

BY MIDWEEK...MID AND UPPER LEVEL HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD OVER THE
SERN STATES INTO TX...ALLOWING FOR THE RETURN OF ABOVE NORMAL AFTN
TEMPS. TRENDED POPS GRADUALLY DOWNWARD WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY AS
THE AREA COMES INCREASINGLY UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE UPPER
RIDGE...WITH JUST A FEW SHOWERS OR THUNDERSTORMS POSSIBLE EACH
AFTN IN ASSOCIATION WITH LOW LEVEL MOISTURE ALONG THE SEABREEZE.

We just can't get no love. Or rain. :( Lol. But it seems like a strong BH at least for today.


Wouldn't that mean 90L would go straight west if the Bermuda High builds in?
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2718. Cavin Rawlins 10:57 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Cotillion:


Fabian type track?


seems so, but that's the near end of the run.
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2719. Cavin Rawlins 10:59 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Is Al Roker at met or just a weather presenter?
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2721. futuremet 11:01 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


and straight to Bermuda



Because we barely see any recurvature in Ana even up to 240hrs, indicates that the ECMWF is showing a weaker trough.

ECMWF/GFS troughing and ridging mean shows a weaker trough compared to the GFS

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2722. homelesswanderer 10:59 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneKyle:


Wouldn't that mean 90L would go straight west if the Bermuda High builds in?


It would seem so to me. I'm just not sure of the timing. There may be a trough come through to make a weekness just in time. I hope so.
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2723. IKE 11:00 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Spin looks near...12N and 22W, to me.

System is 2200 miles east of the islands...3500 miles east of Florida.
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2724. HurricaneKyle 11:00 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting keywestbrat:
Good Morning all,
Which thing turned into 90L the TD2 or the Orange circle african wave?


The orange african wave, the one that the models are making into a Strong tropical cyclone.
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2725. Cavin Rawlins 11:03 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Very broad

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2726. Cavin Rawlins 11:03 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
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2728. IKE 11:06 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Very broad



It's got a ways to go.

ECMWF shows it as a threat to the extreme northern islands(smaller chances though, compared to yesterday) and Bermuda. GFS curves it in a similar fashion.
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2729. nrtiwlnvragn 11:08 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting TropicalFlowerPower:
Can somebody tell me the difference between the "computer models" and the "ensemble models"?


Ensembles are runs of the same "computer model" with different initial conditions and run at a lower resolution.


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2731. nrtiwlnvragn 11:08 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
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2732. TaminFLA 11:10 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Futuremet


What would be the system in your graphic sitting on the East Coast of Florida?

Thanks!
2734. HurricaneKyle 11:11 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Very broad



But now we know something very broad is on the surface. It's slowly organizing into something. Something this big takes a while to organize, to get all the convection together.
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2735. WxLogic 11:13 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Good Morning...
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2736. ackee 11:13 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
ANY think 90L maybe become Ana before TD#2
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2737. HurricaneKyle 11:14 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Visible of very large 90L.
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2738. nrtiwlnvragn 11:14 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Initial GFDL on 90L did not maintain the system.


ATTENTION...NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

NCEP UNCOUPLED GFDL HURRICANE MODEL FORECAST MADE FOR

TROPICAL DEPRESSION INVEST 90L

INITIAL TIME 6Z AUG 13

DISCLAIMER ... THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE. IT
REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY HURRICANE SPECIALISTS AND SHOULD
NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT. PLEASE SEE THE TPC/NHC
OFFICIAL FORECAST.


FORECAST STORM POSITION

HOUR LATITUDE LONGITUDE HEADING/SPEED(KT)

0 11.0 21.0 280./ 8.9
6 12.7 23.1 309./26.8

STORM DISSIPATED AT 6 HRS AT THE ABOVE PSN.
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2740. futuremet 11:16 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting TaminFLA:
Futuremet


What would be the system in your graphic sitting on the East Coast of Florida?

Thanks!


Ana
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2741. WxLogic 11:18 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
06Z NOGAPS now with ECMWF on bringing TD#2 closer to the US... in this case FL.

Link

Won't say much about the other models since you have already discussed them... hehe.
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2743. laflastormtracker 11:19 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
The Gulf of Mexico is a hot MESS...
2744. Chucktown 11:23 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
6 Z GFS slows the system down significantly and sharpens that trough over the NE US
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2745. TropicalFlowerPower 11:23 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Ensembles are runs of the same "computer model" with different initial conditions and run at a lower resolution.




Thank you for the response NRT
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2747. Relix 11:26 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
TD2 is near dead........ I am sure it will make a comeback soon. 90L... well, looks big, but the track is so uncertain I am not even going to bother.
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2748. CyberStorm 11:27 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
why is everyone so sure the 02 depression will be ana.i would not be surprised to see the african wave develop first.02 has no convection and dmax did nothing for it.i would not be surprised to see it go poof today.
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2750. homelesswanderer 11:29 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Quoting laflastormtracker:
The Gulf of Mexico is a hot MESS...


Ya got that right...

Calcasieu Pass, LA
Water Temperature (WTMP): 88.3 °F

Sabine Pass North, TX
Water Temperature (WTMP): 91.6 °F

Rollover Pass, TX
Water Temperature (WTMP): 84.9 °F

Hmmmm? Some of our stations aren't reporting anymore. Wonder why? Oh yeah that little fella that came to call last year. ;)
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2751. futuremet 11:31 AM GMT en Agosto 13, 2009    
Invest 90L

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