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TD 2 struggling; new African wave bears watching
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:19 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009 +2
Tropical Depression Two is struggling. The depression still has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm this week, but the dry, Saharan air that surrounds the storm, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear, are interfering with the storm's organization. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is limited to the west side of the depression. This is due to strong winds out of the southeast that are creating a moderate 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. The intensity and coverage of these thunderstorms is meager, thanks to the large amount of dry air to TD 2's north that is getting wrapped into the circulation. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a well-formed surface circulation, with top winds of about 30 - 35 mph.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and will not change much over the next three days. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, it does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will eventually be able to become Tropical Storm Ana sometime in the next three days. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands. For now, TD 2 doesn't concern me as much as the new tropical wave to its southeast, just off the coast of Africa.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left center of image) and a new tropical wave (right side of image), newly emerged from the coast of Africa.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A strong tropical wave with some rotation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity left the coast of Africa yesterday, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave late this week. Both of these models indicate that the wave would track further south than Tropical Depression Two, and could impact the Lesser Antilles Islands in about seven days. This storm bears close attention over the coming days.

Two other tropical waves, one that just passed through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 300 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

Felicia moves through Hawaiian Islands as a tropical depression
Tropical Storm Felicia weakened to a tropical depression before passing through the Hawaiian Islands yesterday. The storm brought scattered heavy rains of 1 - 2 inches to the islands, and no damage was reported. Felicia is only the 10th tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or higher to hit the islands since 1950. Four other tropical cyclones have passed within 75 miles of the islands during that time period.

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1201. cg2916 8:42 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
000
WTNT42 KNHC 122034
TCDAT2
TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO DISCUSSION NUMBER 7
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL022009
500 PM AST WED AUG 12 2009

THE DEPRESSION APPEARED TO BE ON THE VERGE OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
STORM A FEW HOURS AGO...WITH SATELLITE INTENSITY ESTIMATES OF 35 KT
FROM TAFB AND SAB. HOWEVER...SINCE ABOUT 18Z THE CONVECTION HAS
DECREASED SIGNIFICANTLY AND HAS MOVED FARTHER AWAY FROM THE EXPOSED
LOW-LEVEL CENTER. BASED ON THIS...THE CYCLONE WILL REMAIN A 30 KT
DEPRESSION FOR THIS ADVISORY (Aw come on... TSs are based on winds, not looks)
. THE CURRENT DOWNWARD TREND IN THE
CONVECTION MAY BE DUE TO AN INCREASE IN EASTERLY VERTICAL WIND
SHEAR...AND TO A DRY SLOT WRAPPING AROUND THE CIRCULATION NOTED IN
AMSR-E VAPOR IMAGERY NEAR 1534Z. ALSO...AS SEEN EARLIER...MOST OF
THE LOW-LEVEL INFLOW INTO THE DEPRESSION SEEMS TO BE COMING FROM
THE NORTH...REPRESENTING POSSIBLY MORE STABLE AIR PASSING OVER
COOLER WATERS. THE FLOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DEPRESSION IS
FEEDING INTO A LARGE DISTURBANCE BETWEEN THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS AND
AFRICA (still flowing into the Bill/Ana wave).


THE INITIAL MOTION IS 265/12. THE DEPRESSION IS ON THE SOUTH
SIDE OF A LARGE LOW/MID-LEVEL RIDGE...AND THE LARGE-SCALE MODELS
FORECAST THIS TO CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT TWO DAYS OR SO. AFTER THAT
TIME...THE MODELS FORECAST A WEAKNESS IN THE RIDGE THAT WOULD STEER
THE CYCLONE WEST-NORTHWESTWARD. THE TRACK MODEL GUIDANCE GENERALLY
AGREES WITH THIS SCENARIO...AND WHILE THE MODEL CLUSTERS SEEN
EARLIER HAVE MERGED THERE IS STILL A SIGNIFICANT SPREAD BY 120 HR.
THE GFS AND UKMET ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE
SHOWING A MORE WESTERLY MOTION...WHILE THE HWRF AND BAMD ARE ON THE
NORTH SIDE SHOWING A NORTHWESTWARD MOTION BY 120 HR. OVERALL...THE
GUIDANCE ENVELOPE HAS AGAIN SHIFTED A LITTLE SOUTHWARD...AND SO HAS
THE NEW OFFICIAL FORECAST. THE NEW TRACK IS IN THE CENTER OF THE
GUIDANCE ENVELOPE IN BEST AGREEMENT WITH THE TVCN AND TVCC
CONSENSUS MODELS.


THE DEPRESSION REMAINS OVER SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES NEAR 27C...WITH
SSTS ALONG THE FORECAST TRACK INCREASING TO 28C AFTER 72 HR. THE
LARGE-SCALE MODELS FORECAST THE DEPRESSION TO ENCOUNTER MODERATE
VERTICAL WIND SHEAR DURING THE FORECAST PERIOD...FIRST FROM THE
EAST AND LATER FROM THE SOUTHWEST. ALSO...WATER VAPOR IMAGERY
SHOWS VERY DRY AIR AT THE MID/UPPER-LEVELS TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE
DEPRESSION. THE LATTER TWO FACTORS SUGGEST THE SYSTEM MAY BE SLOW
TO STRENGTHEN...AND NONE OF THE INTENSITY GUIDANCE CURRENTLY
FORECASTS AN INTENSITY GREATER THAN 55 KT DURING THE FORECAST
PERIOD. BASED ON THIS...THE NEW INTENSITY FORECAST IS AN UPDATE OF
THE PREVIOUS FORECAST IN BEST AGREEMENT WITH THE SHIPS MODEL. IT
IS POSSIBLE THAT THE SYSTEM COULD WEAKEN TO A TROPICAL WAVE DURING
THE FORECAST PERIOD...AS FORECAST BY THE ECMWF...UKMET...AND GFS
MODELS.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 12/2100Z 14.3N 35.0W 30 KT
12HR VT 13/0600Z 14.1N 36.7W 35 KT
24HR VT 13/1800Z 14.1N 38.9W 35 KT
36HR VT 14/0600Z 14.2N 41.3W 40 KT
48HR VT 14/1800Z 14.6N 43.7W 45 KT
72HR VT 15/1800Z 16.0N 49.5W 50 KT
96HR VT 16/1800Z 19.0N 56.0W 50 KT
120HR VT 17/1800Z 23.0N 62.0W 45 KT

$$
FORECASTER BEVEN
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1203. Orcasystems 8:42 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
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1204. CaneWarning 8:42 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting zoomiami:
If Ana drops lower, that will change all the tracks.

Does anyone have an opinion on whether this makes the storm more viable?


The storm is more viable the more south it goes.
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1205. 69Viking 8:42 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting twhcracker:
its getting bad when i dont even recognize the vulgar comments when they happen.


The comments weren't vulgar, just a cool play on words that somebody's mind took into the gutter with them and they couldn't handle it! I thought the comments were entertaining considering all the talk about TS that don't exist YET!
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1206. Patrap 8:43 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
.."Sorry Folks,No Ana at this Time,..the Atlantic is Not Open yet..

You can pick up a Pamphlet on your way out though"...


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1207. CybrTeddy 8:43 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
I think Im going to vomit..
MAYBE it will get named at 5 AM tomorrow.
They won't name it at 11, they're to conservative for that.
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1208. watchingnva 8:43 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
do we need it copied and pasted more than 5 times?...lol
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1209. Cotillion 8:44 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
2.8 /1002.0mb/ 41.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
(3hr avg)
2.5 2.2 1.0

That's just pathetic, really. (The Raw T#.)

It does seem kinda unlike the NHC to do that, but given its appearance and current numbers, can't blame them.
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1210. nrtiwlnvragn 8:44 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
NOUS42 KWNO 121713
ADMNFD

SENIOR DUTY METEOROLOGIST NWS ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE
NWS NCEP CENTRAL OPERATIONS CAMP SPRINGS MD
1707Z WED AUG 12 2009
FYI...NEW NCEP SUPERCOMPUTERS HAVE BEEN DECLARED OPERATIONAL..
BASE ON THE CURRENT RESULTS OF THE FINAL DISSEMINATION TEST
OF THE NEW SUPERCOPMUTERS..NCEP IS DECLARING THE P6 SYSTEM
AT GAITHERSBURG (STRATUS) OPERATIONAL AS OF 17Z ON AUGUST
12. THE PRODUCTION BACKUP MACHINE IS NOW THE P6 SYSTEM
LOCATED AT FAIRMONT (CIRRUS).
$$
SHIREY/SDM/NCO/NCEP
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1213. serialteg 8:44 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
why are you guys so concerned about a NAME?

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1214. CaneWarning 8:45 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Stop posting that CybrTeddy...once was enough.
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1215. Cotillion 8:45 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
The funny thing is, according to the CIMSS shear map and shear tendency map..

All it's doing is running into more shear.

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1216. hondaguy 8:46 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
.."Sorry Folks,No Ana at this Time,..the Atlantic is Not Open yet..

You can pick up a Pamphlet on your way out though"...




Loved me some John Candy back in the day. Uncle Buck was the best. lol
1217. OSUWXGUY 8:46 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
So the race begins anew!

Which becomes Ana?

1. TD2

2. African Wave

3. Something Else?
1218. IKE 8:46 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting weatherboykris:
Ana is going to go through the Leewards because it will get sheared down to a wave and follow the low level steering currents. IMO, it's not worth keeping track of anymore, the one behind it has my attention.


You may be right.

This from the discussion was surprising...IT
IS POSSIBLE THAT THE SYSTEM COULD WEAKEN TO A TROPICAL WAVE DURING
THE FORECAST PERIOD...AS FORECAST BY THE ECMWF...UKMET...AND GFS
MODELS.
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1219. rwdobson 8:46 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Zero

Zero

Zero

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1220. CaneWarning 8:47 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


You may be right.

This from the discussion was surprising...IT
IS POSSIBLE THAT THE SYSTEM COULD WEAKEN TO A TROPICAL WAVE DURING
THE FORECAST PERIOD...AS FORECAST BY THE ECMWF...UKMET...AND GFS
MODELS.


Very interesting...
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1221. CybrTeddy 8:47 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Guys I'm not doing it.. I'm having a serious issue with firefox. Every time I refresh that post comes up again.
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1222. weathersp 8:47 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
NOUS42 KWNO 121713
ADMNFD

SENIOR DUTY METEOROLOGIST NWS ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE
NWS NCEP CENTRAL OPERATIONS CAMP SPRINGS MD
1707Z WED AUG 12 2009
FYI...NEW NCEP SUPERCOMPUTERS HAVE BEEN DECLARED OPERATIONAL..
BASE ON THE CURRENT RESULTS OF THE FINAL DISSEMINATION TEST
OF THE NEW SUPERCOPMUTERS..NCEP IS DECLARING THE P6 SYSTEM
AT GAITHERSBURG (STRATUS) OPERATIONAL AS OF 17Z ON AUGUST
12. THE PRODUCTION BACKUP MACHINE IS NOW THE P6 SYSTEM
LOCATED AT FAIRMONT (CIRRUS).
$$
SHIREY/SDM/NCO/NCEP


Wooohoo... Upgrade!
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1225. serialteg 8:48 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
actually all i see in front of the storm is east high level wind... in fact the shear appears to follow the storm. if im not mistaken, the NHC actually predicted a favorable shear environment the past days.

:/
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1226. OSUWXGUY 8:48 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
If TD2 gets pulled much further south, it'll end up back in the ITCZ - further messing up its circulation.

That might be game, set, match...
1227. hurricanehanna 8:48 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
5:00 TWO is out - still TD#2
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1228. hurristat 8:48 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Fortunately, the 5-day has TD2 passing north of the magical 20N-60W mark.
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1229. Patrap 8:48 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
IKE"S record still intact...



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1230. IKE 8:49 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Hey IKE....how are you today?

I'm 0-0-0....how are you?
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1231. Cotillion 8:50 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Well, despite the laughter and the annoyance in some quarters.. this season is certainly a bit of a difference considering the last few.
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1232. hurricanejunky 8:50 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
More importantly, in the process of not naming Ana, the NHC has turned Drak's comments into something not yet known which could turn out to be quite twisted. Maybe the old Bill becomes the new Ana and molests itself...jeez the possibilities are endless...
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1234. Patrap 8:51 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Guys I'm not doing it.. I'm having a serious issue with firefox. Every time I refresh that post comes up again.


Your PC has da Bug,

..I suggest some Malware Penicillin,disconnect from the web and run your Tools .
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1235. WxLogic 8:51 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
NOUS42 KWNO 121713
ADMNFD

SENIOR DUTY METEOROLOGIST NWS ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE
NWS NCEP CENTRAL OPERATIONS CAMP SPRINGS MD
1707Z WED AUG 12 2009
FYI...NEW NCEP SUPERCOMPUTERS HAVE BEEN DECLARED OPERATIONAL..
BASE ON THE CURRENT RESULTS OF THE FINAL DISSEMINATION TEST
OF THE NEW SUPERCOPMUTERS..NCEP IS DECLARING THE P6 SYSTEM
AT GAITHERSBURG (STRATUS) OPERATIONAL AS OF 17Z ON AUGUST
12. THE PRODUCTION BACKUP MACHINE IS NOW THE P6 SYSTEM
LOCATED AT FAIRMONT (CIRRUS).
$$
SHIREY/SDM/NCO/NCEP


Excellent!!!
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1236. PSL2007 8:51 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:


Very interesting...


I guess the 12Z UK Met was right on target if this transpires.
1237. weatherblog 8:51 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
I think many can agree with me that this a very, slow boring season. I'm not downcasting what's to potentially come over the next month, but so far I'm really bored.

It looks like TD 2 might just dissipate into a tropical wave (as mentioned by the NHC) in the next few days as it reaches moderate wind shear. We need to watch the tropical wave off Africa though, but for all we know it could just go out to sea (as indicated by some models) so really it's too early to determine if it's going to be a real threat or not.

Sigh...at least in 2006 there were actually storms to track.
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1238. CaicosRetiredSailor 8:51 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Where is the big pot of Ana-Crow Stew?
I think a lot of bowls could be passed out.

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1239. TexasHurricane 8:51 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:
I have a strong feeling that the mis-naming of TD#2 isn't the last mistake that's going to be made with this little tiger of a storm.

Within the last 24-hours, they've messed up on the storm's "southern component" to her track.

And I have a real apprehension about the NW track they have this storm taking in just two days.

There's a trough and alot of other things going on that could keep this storm moving "westerly" for awhile.

And let's not even get into her intensity over time.

If this storm pushes through and hits the "promised land" of hot waters and low shear, she could wind up being something that would induce awe!


Never know.....this one may be sitting back laughing,saying just wait....
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1240. StormChaser81 8:51 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
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1241. hondaguy 8:52 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
Where is the big pot of Ana-Crow Stew?
I think a lot of bowls could be passed out.



Bowls shoulda been passed out two days ago! lol
1242. hurristat 8:52 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
LOL SHIPS is a bit hurricane-happy here. This is for TD 9-E

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1243. BaltOCane 8:52 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Totally Random Question:

Anyone know where I can get a relatively inexpensive anometer and/or barometer? I've been wanting one for years and have checked online, but just wanted to see if anyone new of a good brand/place to get one!

Thanks! (back to lurking)...
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1244. hurricanejunky 8:53 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:
I have a strong feeling that the mis-naming of TD#2 isn't the last mistake that's going to be made with this little tiger of a storm.

Within the last 24-hours, they've messed up on the storm's "southern component" to her track.

And I have a real apprehension about the NW track they have this storm taking in just two days.

There's a trough and alot of other things going on that could keep this storm moving "westerly" for awhile.

And let's not even get into her intensity over time.

If this storm pushes through and hits the "promised land" of hot waters and low shear, she could wind up being something that would induce awe!

Yes, like you I am very leery about something getting into the GOM where it can feed like Charley or Katrina did.
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1245. Greyelf 8:53 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting serialteg:
why are you guys so concerned about a NAME?



I must admit I've been thinking the same thing...it's not like the clouds get an ego boost once they know they're officially named.
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1246. Cotillion 8:54 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting Greyelf:


I must admit I've been thinking the same thing...it's not like the clouds get an ego boost once they know they're officially named.


Be funny if they did.

"No, I don't like the name Ana. *pouts*. I'll wait for the wave behind me to take it so I can be Bill!"
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1247. CybrTeddy 8:55 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
You guys don't have to post 0-0-0 every other post btw. Gets kind of annoying after a while, we realize there hasn't been a named storm since November 2008. But that's going to change soon, either TD2 or the wave off Africa will bring in Ana.
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1248. Patrap 8:55 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
A flatulence,by any other name,.still has odor one could say.
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1249. barryweather 8:55 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
I think the hope is that it develops a little more so it is will get picked up ans make it's Northerly turn sooner. That way it stays out at sea.
1250. Seflhurricane 8:55 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
the tropical wave near africa is really cranked up
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1251. RMM34667 8:55 PM GMT en Agosto 12, 2009    
Quoting 69Viking:


The comments weren't vulgar, just a cool play on words that somebody's mind took into the gutter with them and they couldn't handle it! I thought the comments were entertaining considering all the talk about TS that don't exist YET!


The comments were vulgar, inappropriate and in very poor taste. And if that is not true then why remove them? and why would others warn him:

1025. clwstmchasr 4:01 PM EDT on August 12, 2009
Careful Drak:)

1033. Stormchaser2007 4:02 PM EDT on August 12, 2009
And theres the line!

Dont wanna see you get banned before a big storm. lol

1034. IKE 4:02 PM EDT on August 12, 2009
I can see a ban coming.
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