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97L growing more organized, will bring heavy rain to the Lesser Antilles
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:55 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009 +1
The tropical wave near 12N 52W, about 600 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands (97 L), has grown more organized this morning as it tracks west at about 20 mph. This wave is surrounded by an area of very dry air from the Sahara Desert, but 97L has been able to steadily moisten a large region of the atmosphere over the past day, insulating itself from the dry air. This moistening process has been aided by sea surface temperatures (SSTs) that have steadily increased from 26.5°C to 27.5°C, plus the presence of only 10 knots of wind shear. The system now has a small area of intense thunderstorms near its center, with some rotation of the cloud pattern evident at mid-levels of the atmosphere. An upper-level outflow channel has opened to the north, and there is evidence that surface spiral bands are beginning to form. This morning's QuikSCAT pass missed 97L, so we don't know what is happening at the surface.

Wind shear is a modest 10 knots over the disturbance, and is forecast to remain in the moderate 10 - 15 knot range through Monday morning. This should allow further development to occur today, and 97L could be approaching tropical depression strength on Monday as it moves through the central Lesser Antilles Islands. Monday night, shear is expected to rise to 20 - 30 knots, thanks to the presence of a trough of low pressure at upper levels of the atmosphere over the eastern Caribbean. Since 97L is a relatively small system, it is very vulnerable to wind shear. This shear may be able to drive some of the dry air west of 97L deep into its interior, significantly disrupting the disturbance. Shear will remain high along 97L's path through Thursday, when the storm should be in the western Caribbean near Cuba. If there is anything left of 97L by then, some development is possible. The National Hurricane Center gave 97L a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression in the next 48 hours in their 8am Tropical Weather Outlook. However, I'd say the odds are now in the medium range (30 - 50%).

None of the computer models are forecasting tropical storm development over the next seven days.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of African wave 97L.

I'll have an update Monday morning. As 97L approaches the islands, you may want to follow local observations there using our wundermap for 97L.

Jeff Masters
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151. Drakoen 4:44 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
I'm hoping we get a GFDL and HWRF run. Regional models have an easier time handling these smaller systems. The GFS can't even pick up on the 850mb vort max.
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152. Chicklit 4:44 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:
poll will be closing at 1pm, so if anyone hasnt voted yet, do so before then


I'm tired of being wrong so will not vote this time. (HNI) (Have No Idea:)
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153. hunkerdown 4:45 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:
Now heres the question.. Is 97L making its OWN convection, or is it being enhanced by shear/ the TUTT
Not TUTT enhanced either, its not near 97 plus appears to be on its way out.
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154. Patrap 4:45 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
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155. pottery 4:45 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
It is interesting, how the clouds to the s/ west and n/ east (generally) are begining to look like feeder bands.........
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156. weathermanwannabe 4:45 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Chicklit:
Everyone says shear is forecast to lessen, but still, it will be amazing to me if 97L manages to negotiate the shear just to its north. So far it has managed to stay out of that fray by laying low...amazingly enough already!


shear map


It is certainly taking advantage of the immediate low sheer and threading the needle...."lowriding" below the sheer to the North and SA to the South.
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157. weatherwatcher12 4:45 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Hmmm... The TUTT has move more north than previously.
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158. RitaEvac 4:45 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Right now I don't see shear being favorable in the western Caribbean.


Its not gonna be 100% by any means, but if she takes the southern route like it looks she is, she should survive the killing shear to its north. Shes small and I think it will survive with some shear but not enough to destroy it
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160. Chicklit 4:46 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
There's a lotta energy out there, Patrap.
Lucky it's going in different directions!
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161. FloridaTigers 4:46 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting eddye:
there no shear and people get ready south fla this will be a catgory 1 hurricane and hit south fl


Based on what?
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162. hunkerdown 4:46 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Shear killer.
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163. sporteguy03 4:46 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:
Now heres the question.. Is 97L making its OWN convection, or is it being enhanced by shear/ the TUTT


Also if it was shear induced the convection would not be consildating and becoming circular as you see it would be blowing in a direction like what happen to wave in front of 97L.
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164. alaina1085 4:46 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


It is certainly taking advantage of the immediate low sheer and threading the needle...."lowriding" below the sheer to the North and SA to the South.


Thats cause 97L is a gangsta! LOL.
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165. BurnedAfterPosting 4:47 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting weatherwatcher12:
Hmmm... The TUTT has move more north than previously.


actually shear has increased a bit in the southern caribbean, it will be very close
166. StormFreakyisher 4:47 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Something to compare this storm too although it will definitely not be a Cat 5 in these current conditions.
Emily

Felix
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168. jurakantaino 4:48 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Above 16N LAT. WILL GET "RIP" APART IF SHEAR CONDITIONS REMAIN AS THEY ARE AT THE MOMENT.But it seems that a ridge from north south America will lift the TUTT up. Is a wait and see situation. My humble opinion, not an expert!
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169. weatherwatcher12 4:48 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting jasoniscoolman09:
wow did anyone see this storm yet..

I saw it last night
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170. PcolaJess 4:49 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
lol @ gangsta storm
171. weathermanwannabe 4:49 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting alaina1085:


Thats cause 97L is a gangsta! LOL.


Lol....Bigtime female-wannabe lowrider....
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172. BurnedAfterPosting 4:49 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting StormFreakyisher:
Something to compare this storm too although it will definitely not be a Cat 5 in these current conditions.
Emily

Felix


not at all really, conditions were near perfect for both Emily and Felix; also future tracks take this to the NW Caribbean and not mainly due west in time
173. stormsurge39 4:49 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Chicklet,Dr Masters said,"If there is anything left when it enters the western carrib,is when it when developement is possible". He was referring to the 20-30knt winds it will encounter in the eastern carrib.I also took it to mean that is when we have to worry about a land threat.
174. seflagamma 4:49 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting pottery:
Post 65. Is that you, Stormtop??



roflmao! oh those Stormtop post from summer of 2005!
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175. hunkerdown 4:49 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


If it did, it would be a spec of clouds because wind shear would destroy it.
If it can get through the shear in the Caribbean and thread through the Yucatan, with shear expected to be on the decrease it will have favorable shear conditions in the GOMEX.
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176. weatherwatcher12 4:50 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


not at all really, conditions were near perfect for both Emily and Felix; also future tracks take this to the NW Caribbean and not mainly due west in time

Well then I guess I should keep an eye on this and pay attention to the Met service
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177. CybrTeddy 4:50 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
pat: Funktop? Is it disco time already?
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178. CUBWF 4:50 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
I don't understand why dr. master said it's surrounded by dry air. Moisture is all around the wave, with just some spot of dry air to it's nw
179. sporteguy03 4:51 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
I think the next 48 hours are what is important 5 days out conditions can change one way or another, heck they did in 24 hours.
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180. Nolehead 4:51 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
155. pottery 4:45 PM GMT on July 19, 2009
It is interesting, how the clouds to the s/ west and n/ east (generally) are begining to look like feeder bands.........


yeah i also was thinking that after patrap's image, after these past few seasons it seems to expect the unexpected...nothing suprises me anymore..lol
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181. Tropicsweatherpr 4:51 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
If things are like it is now,I cant be surprised if NHC puts out a Special Tropical Weather Outlook product.What do all think of that happening?
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182. hunkerdown 4:51 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting StormFreakyisher:
Something to compare this storm too although it will definitely not be a Cat 5 in these current conditions.
Emily

Felix
Posting historical tracks are fine but they mean nothing unless the conditions/features then were the same same as they are now.
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183. Drakoen 4:51 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
It's hard to forecast what shear will be like in the western Caribbean as the models are handling the upper level high differently. The UKMET, NOGAPS, ECMWF have favorable conditions with the high advecting from the central Caribbean into the western Caribbean. The CMC has completely unfavorable conditions. The GFS has marginal and then unfavorable condtions.
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184. seflagamma 4:51 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting aquak9:


no that's not him. He is Stormno this year, and he doesn't post links or graphics.


Hi Aqua,
thanks for the info...

does he still post in all caps??? lol
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186. weatherwatcher12 4:52 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting CUBWF:
I don't understand why dr. master said it's surrounded by dry air. Moisture is all around the wave, with just some spot of dry air to it's nw

He said it was read on and you will see that he said it is moist now.
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187. IKE 4:52 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Less than 30%? No way...at least 30-50%.

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189. beell 4:52 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
This trough does not look all that bad. A shortwave trough at best-with the worst of it (shear-wise) moving to the northeast of 97L. It would be the strong upper flow following the shortwave around the SA anti-cyclone that will do a number on 97L. Steering would suggest this is where it is heading, but if it can stay to the south and move under the upper high then 2-3 days of very good conditions for devlopment.

Photobucket
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190. alaina1085 4:52 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
pat: Funktop? Is it disco time already?


ROFL... It's always disco time :)
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191. sngalla 4:53 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting seflagamma:


Hi Aqua,
thanks for the info...

does he still post in all caps??? lol


Hey neighbor. Yes, he does.
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192. stormdude77 4:53 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
I'll be here all night to give you guys my weather obs....
193. RitaEvac 4:54 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
I say we ignore the models for the next 24-36 hrs
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195. BurnedAfterPosting 4:54 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting beell:
This trough does not look all that bad. A shortwave trough at best-with the worst of it (shear-wise) moving to the northeast of 97L. It would be the strong upper flow following the shortwave around the SA anti-cyclone that will do a number on 97L. Steering would suggest this is where it is heading, but if it can stay to the south and move under the upper high then 2-3 days of very good conditions for devlopment.

Photobucket


A few days ago most models were forecasting near perfect conditions in the Caribbean in 5-7 days and I bet it has to do with that anticyclone.
196. Drakoen 4:55 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Satellite imagery continues to show good rotation and convection organizing.
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197. hunkerdown 4:55 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting weatherwatcher12:

No a wave just came of last night
That was last night, I said ACROSS Africa (which means currently), not what has previously exited.
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199. Chicklit 4:55 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Felix also developed under a strong ridge.
Link

Weather Brainiacs: Analyze similarities and differences between conditions for Felix and 97L. Discuss amongst yourselves...
Then submit three-paged report, double-spaced (no typos!) LOL.

I think that was one of the top three fastest CAT5's to form in the history of hurricane tracking. It also formed at the end of August, not mid-July. So please, do not think we've got another Felix on our hands, folks.
I captured this image of Felix Sunday, Sept. 2, 2007.

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200. TampaMishy 4:56 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting sporteguy03:
I think the next 48 hours are what is important 5 days out conditions can change one way or another, heck they did in 24 hours.
Exactly.
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201. pottery 4:56 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Hi Nole, Gamma.
Some fun times ahead ? About time we had something to quarrel about !
heheheheh
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