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97L growing more organized, will bring heavy rain to the Lesser Antilles
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:55 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009 +1
The tropical wave near 12N 52W, about 600 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands (97 L), has grown more organized this morning as it tracks west at about 20 mph. This wave is surrounded by an area of very dry air from the Sahara Desert, but 97L has been able to steadily moisten a large region of the atmosphere over the past day, insulating itself from the dry air. This moistening process has been aided by sea surface temperatures (SSTs) that have steadily increased from 26.5°C to 27.5°C, plus the presence of only 10 knots of wind shear. The system now has a small area of intense thunderstorms near its center, with some rotation of the cloud pattern evident at mid-levels of the atmosphere. An upper-level outflow channel has opened to the north, and there is evidence that surface spiral bands are beginning to form. This morning's QuikSCAT pass missed 97L, so we don't know what is happening at the surface.

Wind shear is a modest 10 knots over the disturbance, and is forecast to remain in the moderate 10 - 15 knot range through Monday morning. This should allow further development to occur today, and 97L could be approaching tropical depression strength on Monday as it moves through the central Lesser Antilles Islands. Monday night, shear is expected to rise to 20 - 30 knots, thanks to the presence of a trough of low pressure at upper levels of the atmosphere over the eastern Caribbean. Since 97L is a relatively small system, it is very vulnerable to wind shear. This shear may be able to drive some of the dry air west of 97L deep into its interior, significantly disrupting the disturbance. Shear will remain high along 97L's path through Thursday, when the storm should be in the western Caribbean near Cuba. If there is anything left of 97L by then, some development is possible. The National Hurricane Center gave 97L a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression in the next 48 hours in their 8am Tropical Weather Outlook. However, I'd say the odds are now in the medium range (30 - 50%).

None of the computer models are forecasting tropical storm development over the next seven days.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of African wave 97L.

I'll have an update Monday morning. As 97L approaches the islands, you may want to follow local observations there using our wundermap for 97L.

Jeff Masters
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1501. futuremet 12:08 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
This what will likely happen:

Substantial thunderstorm activity will increase tonight, and this might help form a central dense overcast (CDO), which would support the formation of a sufficiently closed LLC. Nevertheless, wind shear should not adequately slacken in time for significant coalescence, because mean shear should approximately be 20kts, which is mostly unfavorable, but not so unfavorable to induce a Robespierre effect. Once it passes through the Lesser Antilles, then it will have to be watch for development, as the TUTT rapidly lifts and replaced with the STR, producing ventilation for tropical cyclogenesis.
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1503. Drakoen 12:08 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
It really is the QuickSCAT
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1504. BurnedAfterPosting 12:08 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
So it continuing to show signs of organization.. yet they keep it at Yellow.


due to the impending shear, still a good choice to keep it at yellow
1505. Patrap 12:08 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
"Yous People"..is that Like Italian or Bronx?

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1506. CycloneOz 12:08 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:
Maybe it will re fire up in a couple of days in the central carib...

Adrian


In the month long animations I've made in the past, you can see this happening over and over again. The head gets ripped off, but the wave persists and continues its movement...and then BAM! There ya go...cyclonic activity.
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1507. Stormchaser2007 12:09 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Guarantee that tomorrow morning when it goes through the DMAX most uneducated people will say it will be a TD. Then we'll go through the DMIN...and you get the idea.
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1508. SLU 12:09 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting weatherwatcher12:
000
ABNT20 KNHC 192350
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT SUN JUL 19 2009

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE
LOCATED ABOUT 400 MILES EAST OF THE WINDWARD ISLANDS CONTINUES TO
SHOW SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO
BECOME LESS FAVORABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM OVER THE
NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS
. REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...LOCALLY HEAVY
RAINFALL AND GUSTY WINDS COULD AFFECT THE WINDWARD ISLANDS ON
MONDAY AS THE WAVE MOVES WESTWARD AT 15 TO 20 MPH. THERE IS A LOW
CHANCE...LESS THAN 30 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER PASCH




Hmmm ... no longer tonight but in 24 to 48hrs time. Why the sudden change of thinking.
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1509. Seflhurricane 12:09 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:
This what will likely happen:

Substantial thunderstorm activity will increase tonight, and this might help form a central dense overcast (CDO), which would support the formation of a sufficiently closed LLC. Nevertheless, wind shear should not adequately slacken in time for significant coalescence, because mean shear should approximately be 20kts, which is mostly unfavorable, but not so unfavorable to induce a Robespierre effect. Once it passes through the Lesser Antilles, then it will have to be watch for development, as the TUTT rapidly lifts and replaced with the STR, producing ventilation for tropical cyclogenesis.
that sounds good at this time :)
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1510. HurricaneSwirl 12:10 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:
I say lets take a little break off of 97L and play name that blogger!!

You simply remember this blogs funniest things, or quotes that bloggers have written in the past.

Like does anyone rember last year when STORMW was accused of sending messages to a female blogger on here?
something about feet lol anyone remember?



Hmmm StormW I see you are avoiding the above post... as i wasn't around when that happen, wait, i probably dont wanna know lol.
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1511. CybrTeddy 12:10 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
If they were able to declare Tropical Storm Nana last year before it was ripped apart, if 97L becomes much better organized overnight, they wont have an excuse not to name it a TD tomorrow or Tuesday (likely tuesday)
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1512. hurricane23 12:10 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
18z HWRF shows nothing.
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1513. Drakoen 12:10 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Pasch is on duty; I like Pasch.
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1514. BurnedAfterPosting 12:10 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting SLU:



Hmmm ... no longer tonight but in 24 to 48hrs time. Why the sudden change of thinking.


Might have to do with the latest GFS shear model showing shear more favorable than it did in previous runs
1516. Seflhurricane 12:11 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
If they were able to declare Tropical Storm Nana last year before it was ripped apart, if 97L becomes much better organized overnight, they wont have an excuse not to name it a TD tomorrow or Tuesday (likely tuesday)
thats my thinking they are probably going to wait and see what the windshear is going to do to it tomorrow
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1517. futuremet 12:11 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:
18z HWRF shows nothing.


HWRF showed 94L becoming a CAT3 hitting FL, so I don't know what makes it so special now lol
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1518. Drakoen 12:11 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Closing in on the upper trough:
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1520. Stormchaser2007 12:12 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:


OMG, today I was in a weather chat with Mr.Eddye over here and he was like "This is going to be floridas storm, I spoke with Brian Norcross of nbc and he says its headed right for Florida"

Lol hes a character I will tell you that much


Hes a liar and a troll. You really should ignore him.
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1522. cchsweatherman 12:12 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:
This what will likely happen:

Substantial thunderstorm activity will increase tonight, and this might help form a central dense overcast (CDO), which would support the formation of a sufficiently closed LLC. Nevertheless, wind shear should not adequately slacken in time for significant coalescence, because mean shear should approximately be 20kts, which is mostly unfavorable, but not so unfavorable to induce a Robespierre effect. Once it passes through the Lesser Antilles, then it will have to be watch for development, as the TUTT rapidly lifts and replaced with the STR, producing ventilation for tropical cyclogenesis.


Seems rather reasonable. Only time will tell.
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1523. Patrap 12:12 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Not much meat on dem bones this evening...

JSC ch.
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1524. Seflhurricane 12:12 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Closing in on the upper trough:
drak what d you think is the trough going to inflict significant damage to 97L
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1525. ddbweatherking 12:13 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
I KNOW (sorry for caps, Its just so people can see the message out of all the others) a lot of people have been asking about DMIN and DMAX bug this one is different. Does DMAX and DMIN have an effect over land, meaning do storms spark up at or just before sunrise and diminish before sunset, it doesn't that it happens over land like that but it's interesting. THANK YOU
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1526. Cavin Rawlins 12:13 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
lol I can't remember the blog being this funny, and the NHC being this inconsistent.97L is one for the books. Every time the GFS changes we get a change in the TWO:

UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO
BECOME LESS FAVORABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM OVER THE
NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS.


previously it was:

UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO
BECOME LESS FAVORABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM LATER TONIGHT.

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1527. Seflhurricane 12:14 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting StormW:


Not tonight...just monitoring. I generally as a rule don't post on the weekends, especially Sunday, unless we have something going on or an immediate threat to the Islands or CONUS.
Thanks for all you do storm
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1528. presslord 12:14 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
been at da beach...

Would one of you experts be so kind as to give me a quick update on the near term tropical weather outlook? And remember: please keep it no more complex than about a third grade level...
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1529. Drakoen 12:14 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
drak what d you think is the trough going to inflict significant damage to 97L


Water vapor imagery shows 97L is nearing the periphery of the open upper level ridge that has been protecting it. An anticyclone cannot protect a system from an advancing upper level trough.
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1530. Patrap 12:14 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Well sport,synoptic changes occur thru time and the scenarios change.

Its called weather for a reason
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1531. Patrap 12:15 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Nada,,zip...

with scattered Heat..

dat bout it press
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1532. beell 12:17 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:
...which is mostly unfavorable, but not so unfavorable to induce a Robespierre effect. Once it passes through the Lesser Antilles, then it will have to be watch for development, as the TUTT rapidly lifts and replaced with the STR, producing ventilation for tropical cyclogenesis.



Ok, I gotta hear more about this one...
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1533. sporteguy03 12:16 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


Exactly. Just the same stuff over and over and over.

Jeez...go take a walk...mow the yard...play with your kids...


Going to watch the ESPY's :)
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1534. Seflhurricane 12:16 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


Water vapor imagery shows 97L is nearing the periphery of the open upper level ridge that has been protecting it. An anticyclone cannot protect a system from an advancing upper level trough.
thanks drak looks like we have some works of art with us tonight if you know what i mean !
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1535. stormdude77 12:16 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
1536. Nolehead 12:17 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting StormW:


Not tonight...just monitoring. I generally as a rule don't post on the weekends, especially Sunday, unless we have something going on or an immediate threat to the Islands or CONUS.


my bad...will sure remember....

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1537. presslord 12:17 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
perfect Pat...Thanks...up and about some..will track you down this week...
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1538. dverchow 12:17 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
97L has a decent structure and could become a tropical depression if it has a good explosion of convection during d-max. I have no idea why people are saying this thing is dead. It probably has a llc and its the best we've seen this year. There is also a nice tropical wave further east in the Atlantic that looks promising.
1539. ArmyWifeInGa 12:18 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
lol I can't remember the blog being this funny, and the NHC being this inconsistent.97L is one for the books. Every time the GFS changes we get a change in the TWO:

UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO
BECOME LESS FAVORABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM OVER THE
NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS.


previously it was:

UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO
BECOME LESS FAVORABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM LATER TONIGHT.




No wonder we (the ones who are in learning mode) can't keep up and get confused. They seem to be confused too lol.
1540. Patrap 12:18 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
I'll be here...press


I suffered from the "Peppermint Schnapps effect" once.

Was a lotta spin to it too.

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1541. 0741 12:20 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
storm w what your feelingt about 97l and shear???
1542. HurricaneSwirl 12:20 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
lol I can't remember the blog being this funny, and the NHC being this inconsistent.97L is one for the books. Every time the GFS changes we get a change in the TWO:

UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO
BECOME LESS FAVORABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM OVER THE
NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS.


previously it was:

UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO
BECOME LESS FAVORABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM LATER TONIGHT.



ill bet if they said 24-48 hours previously when it looked good, they would have upped it to code orange.

they are much more inconsistent, dependent among other sources, and conservative this year than any other it seems.
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1543. futuremet 12:21 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting beell:



Ok, I gotta hear more about this one...


Viewer Discretion is advised.... You are about to witness the goring illustration of a beheaded tropical cyclone.



Image credits to Cyberteddy
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1545. Drakoen 12:23 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
97L may be crossing the Rubicon to meet it's Waterloo.
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1546. BurnedAfterPosting 12:24 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
97L may be crossing the Rubicon to meet it's Waterloo.


In other words SPLAT!! lol
1547. Nolehead 12:25 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
1542. HurricaneSwirl 12:20 AM GMT on July 20, 2009
Quoting Weather456:
lol I can't remember the blog being this funny, and the NHC being this inconsistent.97L is one for the books. Every time the GFS changes we get a change in the TWO:

UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO
BECOME LESS FAVORABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM OVER THE
NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS.


previously it was:

UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO
BECOME LESS FAVORABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM LATER TONIGHT.




ill bet if they said 24-48 hours previously when it looked good, they would have upped it to code orange.

they are much more inconsistent, dependent among other sources, and conservative this year than any other it seems.


probably because the Gov't has taken over how and when to respond to storms now, hell why not they are taken over everything else...so if it's like the tele-promptors that keep malfunctioning or when Bieden pops off about something he shouldn't have said...we might never know if or when they will decide to inform us...lol..

just a ponder...
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1548. beell 12:25 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
That is a cool loop, futuremet. Glad someone has it stored.

Most of us just say "shear" and leave out references to tyrants of the French Revolution.

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1549. mermaidlaw 12:26 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Hi folks, I hope you are all having a nice night. I just wanted to say please have a plan, and stay safe!

No one really knows when one of these "critters" may surprise you!

I wont call 97L dead untill it is gone. I watch closely!

Some of you here offer very good info that helps people learn. Thanks!
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1550. bjdsrq 12:26 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Looked like a hurricane that hit Siesta Beach today around 3:45pm. I saw the bow echo and knew the incoming squalls were going to have some kicking winds so I grab my gear and headed to the beach. Here's the video:
Siesta Beach Wind Storm - July 19, 2009

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1551. GeoffreyWPB 12:26 AM GMT en Julio 20, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
97L may be crossing the Rubicon to meet it's Waterloo.


Anyone for Beef Wellington?
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