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97L growing more organized, will bring heavy rain to the Lesser Antilles
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:55 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009 +1
The tropical wave near 12N 52W, about 600 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands (97 L), has grown more organized this morning as it tracks west at about 20 mph. This wave is surrounded by an area of very dry air from the Sahara Desert, but 97L has been able to steadily moisten a large region of the atmosphere over the past day, insulating itself from the dry air. This moistening process has been aided by sea surface temperatures (SSTs) that have steadily increased from 26.5°C to 27.5°C, plus the presence of only 10 knots of wind shear. The system now has a small area of intense thunderstorms near its center, with some rotation of the cloud pattern evident at mid-levels of the atmosphere. An upper-level outflow channel has opened to the north, and there is evidence that surface spiral bands are beginning to form. This morning's QuikSCAT pass missed 97L, so we don't know what is happening at the surface.

Wind shear is a modest 10 knots over the disturbance, and is forecast to remain in the moderate 10 - 15 knot range through Monday morning. This should allow further development to occur today, and 97L could be approaching tropical depression strength on Monday as it moves through the central Lesser Antilles Islands. Monday night, shear is expected to rise to 20 - 30 knots, thanks to the presence of a trough of low pressure at upper levels of the atmosphere over the eastern Caribbean. Since 97L is a relatively small system, it is very vulnerable to wind shear. This shear may be able to drive some of the dry air west of 97L deep into its interior, significantly disrupting the disturbance. Shear will remain high along 97L's path through Thursday, when the storm should be in the western Caribbean near Cuba. If there is anything left of 97L by then, some development is possible. The National Hurricane Center gave 97L a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression in the next 48 hours in their 8am Tropical Weather Outlook. However, I'd say the odds are now in the medium range (30 - 50%).

None of the computer models are forecasting tropical storm development over the next seven days.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of African wave 97L.

I'll have an update Monday morning. As 97L approaches the islands, you may want to follow local observations there using our wundermap for 97L.

Jeff Masters
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1052. extreme236 9:25 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Holding up decently considering its right at DMIN there.
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1053. DeerfieldBeachGuy 9:25 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
outflow boundary causing some pretty nasty weather here in Deerfield Beach; winds are gusting up to 50 mph with some isolated gusts that feel even higher.

Not too much in the way of rain yet here but its coming.
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1054. Stormchaser2007 9:27 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:


Very symetrical looking system in that photo.. D-MAX will produce Anna possibly?

I dont think Ana...Maybe an orange, or dare I say red circle later on tonight to 8am tomorrow.
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1055. weatherwatcher12 9:27 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting extreme236:
Holding up decently considering its right at DMIN there.

Sure is Dmin
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1056. TampaFLUSA 9:27 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting DeerfieldBeachGuy:
outflow boundary causing some pretty nasty weather here in Deerfield Beach; winds are gusting up to 50 mph with some isolated gusts that feel even higher.

Not too much in the way of rain yet here but its coming.

All the high-def radars are down in S Fla..
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1057. CUBWF 9:27 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
With wind sheer remaining low it has better chance to become TD diuring dmax
1058. BurnedAfterPosting 9:28 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
well if the NHC is basing their predicitions on impending shear, like was shown the GFS is showing more favorable shear then they did before

meaning the NHC may reconsider their thinking, we will see.
1059. STORMMASTERG 9:28 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
The gfs has been wrong all year,its been forcasting ghost storms/wrong cape/wrong shear.I can't possibly trust this.Based on trends 5 to 15kt shear will stay next 3 to 4 days.I am going with this forcast for 97l.
1060. futuremet 9:29 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting STORMMASTERG:
The gfs has been wrong all year,its been forcasting ghost storms/wrong cape/wrong shear.I can't possibly trust this.Based on trends 5 to 15kt shear will stay next 3 to 4 days.I am going with this forcast for 97l.


I find the GFS the most reliable when it comes to forecasting shear, albeit it has its weaknesses.
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1061. homelesswanderer 9:29 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting beell:


Afternoon, homeless. Just added 2,000 lbs of topsoil to my front weedbed. Was not my idea.


UMMM? Sorry that one went over my head? Just tried to lighten things up. I'll go back to my lurk.
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1062. STORMMASTERG 9:31 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Ecmwf has been more accurate this year than gfs.I am not saying gfs is a bad model,its just not having its year.
1063. TheWeatherMan504 9:31 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:
lol I just experience a very strong thunderstorms. Winds were sustained at 35mph with frequent gusts near 45, and we also had some hail too.


There was a Wind Gust to 70MPH at the Fort Pierce Airport.
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1064. Stormchaser2007 9:31 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
I'd wait for the 00Z GFS to really start declaring lower shear in its path.
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1065. beell 9:32 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


UMMM? Sorry that one went over my head? Just tried to lighten things up. I'll go back to my lurk.


Talkin about the tree roots coming up above the ground level cause the soil around here has been subsiding-sorry.
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1066. futuremet 9:32 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:


Very symetrical looking system in that photo.. D-MAX will produce Anna possibly?


No DMAX, will help generate more thunderstorms, creating a more predominant CDO, so that a sufficiently closed center may start to establish.
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1067. Stormchaser2007 9:32 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting TheWeatherMan504:


There was a Wind Gust to 70MPH at the Fort Pierce Airport.


Hm pretty impressive.
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1068. moonlightcowboy 9:33 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Sometimes, it's best to just drop the models and some of the charts, etc, and just use good, common sense with one's eyes. 97L is looking much more organized. There's no shear to speak of for a long time yet. At the rate it's improving, and through to Dmax, it could easily improve to TD status.
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1069. extreme236 9:33 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
I'd wait for the 00Z GFS to really start declaring lower shear in its path.


I agree with this.
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1070. HaboobsRsweet 9:35 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
NOGAPS was built for over the water forecasting...how is that doing or did that model go away as well?
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1071. Drakoen 9:34 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
I'd wait for the 00Z GFS to really start declaring lower shear in its path.


Or the 00z BAMM
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1072. futuremet 9:34 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting TheWeatherMan504:


There was a Wind Gust to 70MPH at the Fort Pierce Airport.


The storms seem to be worst up north, but I have never seen winds that strong since Fay.
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1073. DeerfieldBeachGuy 9:35 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting TheWeatherMan504:


There was a Wind Gust to 70MPH at the Fort Pierce Airport.


The wind has been really bad here too the last half hour; its starting to subside but still gusts in the 30-40 mph range for sure.

I'll try and post some pics later showing the encroaching outflow boundary.

Gotta love south Florida weather!
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1074. seflagamma 9:35 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
You have to learn to use your "ignore" button.
every year in June, I start with a clean slate.. just in 24 hours already have been reminded why I put some of these bloggers on there last year and again this year...even when they change their handles..

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1075. weatherwatcher12 9:35 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:
NOGAPS was built for over the water forecasting...how is that doing or did that model go away as well?

It predicts very favorable shear
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1076. STORMMASTERG 9:35 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
97l looks really good for only having a 30% or less chance of forming.I can't believe nhc has these probs.
1077. Drakoen 9:36 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
That upper trough still look potent and you can see on water vapor imagery how the moisture out ahead of 97L is starting to lift up to the northeast.
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1078. Stormchaser2007 9:37 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


Or the 00z BAMM


Even better.
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1079. STORMMASTERG 9:37 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
At least through this night i give it a high chance of not being effected by wind shear.Moving through 5kt/than eighter 5 or 10kt.That should not be a prob tonight.
1080. nrtiwlnvragn 9:39 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


Or the 00z BAMM


00z BAMs will use 18z GFS for data.
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1081. Drakoen 9:40 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
The upper trough is too meridionally oriented. Not lifting out fast enough. I would say the system is only 350 miles from the trough.
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1082. JLPR 9:43 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
raining decently hard here in Carolina, PR
TW action xD
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1083. homelesswanderer 9:44 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting beell:


Talkin about the tree roots coming up above the ground level cause the soil around here has been subsiding-sorry.


Ooooh! Okay. Just call me Stu. Lol. I thought you meant the joke I laughed at wasn't your idea. My bad. And yes the soil subsiding is bad. All joking aside the tree roots lifting up to the surface is a bad thing this time of year. Rita took full advantage of that in 2005. Hopefully some of this rain will make it over your way. Not the severe stuff. Just the rain.
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1084. moonlightcowboy 9:45 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
The upper trough is too meridionally oriented. Not lifting out fast enough. I would say the system is only 350 miles from the trough.

Drak, I must not be seing what you're talking about here. To me it looked like the trough was oriented swest to neast and looks to lifting quite good. Meridionally - if you mean over the cCaribbean, I see that, but that's the tail of it and several 100 miles west yet and becoming more dispersed. Please, explain further. Thanks.
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1085. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:45 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
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1086. Grothar 9:48 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
I wanted to wait until all the multi-lingual bantering had ceded until I asked this question. I speak five languages and it was quite reminiscent of a U.N. delegation debate. My question: Has anyone a comment on the blob (I hope that is the correct word)that has moved off of the African Coast. Is there any potential for development. I know the current concern is for 97L. Just thought I would ask, premature as it may seem.
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1087. BurnedAfterPosting 9:47 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
and the blog slows down with the realization that the shear may just be impacting 97L, therefore lowering its chances of development

either that or everyone left to eat dinner LOL
1088. Stormchaser2007 9:47 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Starting to really feel the DMIN.

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1089. STORMMASTERG 9:47 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
That upper trough should begin to weaken tomorrow in the morning around 5 to 6utc.The gfs shear forcast is 2times stronger than i think it will be.
1090. Drakoen 9:48 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting moonlightcowboy:

Drak, I must not be seing what you're talking about here. To me it looked like the trough was oriented swest to neast and looks to lifting quite good. Meridionally - if you mean over the cCaribbean, I see that, but that's the tail of it and several 100 miles west yet and becoming more dispersed. Please, explain further. Thanks.


Meridional orientation just means it's elongated from north to south is some direction, opposite of zonal. The trough itself it titled.
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1091. StormFreakyisher 9:49 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Yet another svere storm rolling through southern Palm beach county today.Taken near Town Center Mall at Boca Raton.


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1092. stormpetrol 9:49 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting moonlightcowboy:
Sometimes, it's best to just drop the models and some of the charts, etc, and just use good, common sense with one's eyes. 97L is looking much more organized. There's no shear to speak of for a long time yet. At the rate it's improving, and through to Dmax, it could easily improve to TD status.

MLC , I agree with you 100%.
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1093. Drakoen 9:49 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:
and the blog slows down with the realization that the shear may just be impacting 97L, therefore lowering its chances of development

either that or everyone left to eat dinner LOL


I'm not talking about now I'm talking 12-16 hours from now.
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1094. beell 9:49 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Glad we got that straightened out, homeless!

True on the roots-can you imagine if we got a bunch of rain and wind together? The trees would just tip right over. Think I'll go take a good look at my chainsaw-forgot to add this to the storm-prep list!
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1095. K8eCane 9:49 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting JLPR:
raining decently hard here in Carolina, PR
TW action xD


you mean there is a carolina there too??
nervously says oh dear wheres press?
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1096. stormdude77 9:50 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
1097. moonlightcowboy 9:51 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:
and the blog slows down with the realization that the shear may just be impacting 97L, therefore lowering its chances of development

either that or everyone left to eat dinner LOL


Must be dinner. I don't see shear impactiny anything yet with 97L. Windfield seems to be expanding, more convective bursts and generally better orgnized in general.
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1098. StormFreakyisher 9:51 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
I know what happens during DMAX but what happens during D-MIN?
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1099. BurnedAfterPosting 9:51 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
lack of persistence again, this wont be a TD anytime soon
1100. keithneese 9:51 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
Quoting Grothar:
I wanted to wait until all the multi-lingual bantering had ceded until I asked this question. I speak five languages and it was quite reminiscent of a U.N. delegation debate. My question: Has anyone a comment on the blob (I hope that is the correct word)that has moved off of the African Coast. Is there any potential for development. I know the current concern is for 97L. Just thought I would ask, premature as it may seem.



Just noticed that "blob" on the satellite.

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1101. stormsurge39 9:51 PM GMT en Julio 19, 2009    
The NHC knows what its doing! It is looking over the next 48 hours,not just right now. overall windshear is not good for developement. It is going to have to slide in south of the trough. If it goes any farther north it will be beat up like it went 5 rounds with rocky and will probably knock it out!Now i know people on here are getting excited but this 97L has a gauntlet to go thru and then it has another one to go thru when it heads to the gulf and possible fl.MORE WINDSHEAR!! Thank GOD

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