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El Niño Watch issued by NOAA; Western Caribbean development next week?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:55 PM GMT en Junio 05, 2009 +1
NOAA's Climate Prediction Center issued an El Niño Watch yesterday, saying "that conditions are favorable for a transition from neutral to El Niño conditions during June - August 2009". The pattern of changes in surface winds, upper-level winds, sea surface temperatures, and deeper water heat content are all consistent with what has been observed during previous developing El Niños. As I discussed in detail in last Friday's post, most of our more advanced El Niño computer models are predicting a weak El Niño event for the coming Atlantic hurricane season. If this indeed occurs, it is likely that Atlantic hurricane activity will be suppressed due to the strong upper-level winds an El Niño usually brings to the tropical Atlantic, creating high wind shear that tears hurricanes apart.


Figure 1. Departure from average of the heat content of the upper 300 meters of the ocean in the Equatorial Eastern Pacific. Much of this increase in heat content is due to a large area of waters 2 - 4°C warmer than average at the thermocline (a depth of 50 - 150 meters). The heat content of the ocean has been steadily increasing since January, consistent with a developing El Niño episode. Image credit: NOAA's Climate Prediciton Center.

Western Caribbean development possible next week
An area of disturbed weather has developed over Central America and the adjacent waters of the Eastern Pacific and Western Caribbean, associated with a tropical wave interacting with the Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ) in the Eastern Pacific. This disturbance has generated 1 - 2 inches of rain over Costa Rica and western Panama over the past day, and is likely to bring 4 - 6 more inches of rain to those areas and Nicaragua over the next 3 - 4 days, as the storm drifts northwards into the Western Caribbean. The subtropical jet stream, which is currently bringing high wind shear to the Caribbean, is expected to shift northwards next week, bringing low wind shear to the region. The last few runs of several of our major dynamical computer weather forecast models have been pointing to the possible development of a tropical depression southwest of Jamaica by Thursday of next week. Heavy rains from the disturbance should spread into Jamaica and Cuba by Thursday and Friday, and may affect the Bahamas, Haiti, and South Florida 7 - 8 days from now.


Figure 2. Visible satellite image of the Central American disturbance expected to cross over into the Western Caribbean next week.

I'll have an update this weekend, probably on Sunday.

Jeff Masters

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1602. Drakoen 10:18 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting Levi32:


Ok so then why doesn't every storm under an upper anti-cyclone degenerate? Because with an anticyclone air spreads out which ventilates the storm and creates low pressure at the surface. We were just talking about how the MJO upward motion pulse implies an upper ridge in the southern Caribbean. If there's a surface high as well in the western gulf then sure subsidence is great, but that doesn't mean a tropical wave or tropical low can't move into the area and benefit from the divergent effects of the upper high.


We are not just talking about a 200mb high. This is a deep layered ridge. A cyclone cannot simply move in. There is strong mid level dry air. The stronger the ridge is the more subsidence there will be. Surface high or no surface high.
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1603. Levi32 10:21 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


If you look at the GFS it is to remain with in upper trough flow and not become a separate entity. What would be more interesting is the formation of an upper low along the base of the trough within the vort lobe. And that's a cut-off rather than a trough split.


First of all the GFS has been goofing up on everything regarding that area. The 48-hour 500mb shows the cutoff just before it dissipates over Florida. The 200mb shows it as the trough you describe within the sub-tropical jet, but at the mid-levels it's a mid-level cutoff between the jet branches. It's not the classic trough split but it could be called one. Once the ridge builds into the GOM and the sub-tropical jet lifts out it will be easier for true trough splits to occur.
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1604. StormJunkie 10:24 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting leftovers:
go calvin on mind that bird.


Not a horse racing fan, but yea; I like that story. Go Calvin
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1605. IKE 10:24 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
GFS seems stronger on this run and slightly further east. Then turning NNW.
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1606. Drakoen 10:24 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting Levi32:


First of all the GFS has been goofing up on everything regarding that area. The 48-hour 500mb shows the cutoff just before it dissipates over Florida. The 200mb shows it as the trough you describe within the sub-tropical jet, but at the mid-levels it's a mid-level cutoff between the jet branches. It's not the classic trough split but it could be called one. Once the ridge builds into the GOM and the sub-tropical jet lifts out it will be easier for true trough splits to occur.


It's not a mid level cut-off until it is surrounded by the isohypse otherwise it's just residue flow.
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1607. Levi32 10:25 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


We are not just talking about a 200mb high. This is a deep layered ridge. A cyclone cannot simply move in. There is strong mid level dry air. The stronger the ridge is the more subsidence there will be. Surface high or no surface high.


500mb isn't too deep for a cyclone to form under, and the GFS is not forecasting anomalous surface ridging in the western Gulf of Mexico. A cyclone can't just move into it, but I'm talking about forming UNDER it. This is early-season developments we're talking about here.
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1608. Levi32 10:26 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


It's not a mid level cut-off until it is surrounding by the isohypse otherwise it's just residue flow.


And the GFS showed that 3 days ago until it started barfing. The fate of the low over Florida is still uncertain at this point. I don't know if it will become a true trough split but the point is it still could.

I've enjoyed these discussions but I gotta go now to do some work outside while it's still sunny. Later all.
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1609. Drakoen 10:28 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting Levi32:


500mb isn't too deep for a cyclone to form under, and the GFS is not forecasting anomalous surface ridging in the western Gulf of Mexico. A cyclone can't just move into it, but I'm talking about forming UNDER it. This is early-season developments we're talking about here.


This ridge is 200mb-850mb thick. With that column you are going to have subsidence. The point alone is not just forming under it but the dry mid level conditions which you are not addressing. This is also a synoptic-scale high pressure system fairly large in nature. The high is the reason for the system's asymmetric appearance on the GFS.
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1610. Drakoen 10:29 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting Levi32:


And the GFS showed that 3 days ago until it started barfing. The fate of the low over Florida is still uncertain at this point. I don't know if it will become a true trough split but the point is it still could.

I've enjoyed these discussions but I gotta go now to do some work outside while it's still sunny. Later all.


And the forecast can't solely be based on what the GFS says which is the majority of your backing. The UKMET, NOGAPS, and CMC still exist as models.
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1611. WPBHurricane05 10:34 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Lets ignore this GFS run.

I can already see the blog going into self destruct mode.
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1612. StormJunkie 10:35 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Mind that Bird and Calvin made their move about 20 seconds too early...Damn fine job to come from the back of the pack though.
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1613. IKE 10:35 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting WPBHurricane05:
Lets ignore this GFS run.

I can already see the blog going into self destruct mode.


LOL. WeatherStudent putting up shutters.

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1614. taco2me61 10:36 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting WPBHurricane05:
Lets ignore this GFS run.

I can already see the blog going into self destruct mode.

With all due respect but I can see this happening too....

Taco :0)
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1615. IKE 10:36 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
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1616. Drakoen 10:37 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
God help us all!?!?!?!?!?
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1617. WPBHurricane05 10:38 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting taco2me61:

With all due respect but I can see this happening too....

Taco :0)


God I hope not. Sits over South Florida for 2 days, I would need a canoe.
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1618. IKE 10:38 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
God help us all!?!?!?!?!?


The blog couldn't survive.....@ 204 hrs....

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1619. Drakoen 10:39 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Where is Adrian!?!?!?!?!?
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1620. taco2me61 10:39 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting WPBHurricane05:


God I hope not. Sits over South Florida for 2 days, I would need a canoe.


Heck i thought you had an "Ark"

LMAO

Taco :0)
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1621. IKE 10:39 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
If the GFS is wrong on development, it's consistently wrong on it, for days.
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1622. IKE 10:40 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Where is Adrian!?!?!?!?!?


Pouring a shot of Vodka.
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1623. WPBHurricane05 10:41 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
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1624. zoomiami 10:42 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting WPBHurricane05:


God I hope not. Sits over South Florida for 2 days, I would need a canoe.


I don't know if a canoe would do it, probably would need an ark.
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1625. Drakoen 10:42 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
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1626. Drakoen 10:43 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting zoomiami:


I don't know if a canoe would do it, probably would need an ark.


You'd need a cruise ship.
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1627. taco2me61 10:44 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:



I Love That Drakoen .... LOL

Taco:0)

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1628. Drakoen 10:45 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Zilch on the NOGAPS 18z
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1629. MrstormX 10:46 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Florida is going to become part of the atlantic with all this rain.
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1630. IKE 10:46 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Zilch on the NOGAPS 18z


Yup...again.
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1631. adrianalynne 10:47 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
I assume once this area has been declared an invest we can expect runs of the GFDL and HWRF?
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1632. taco2me61 10:47 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting MrstormX:
Florida is going to become part of the atlantic with all this rain.


I was thinking more like The gulf of Mexico

Taco :0)
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1633. WPBHurricane05 10:48 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting adrianalynne:
I assume once this area has been declared an invest we can expect runs of the GFDL and HWRF?


Yup.
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1634. Drakoen 10:48 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
There is clearly some turning in the lower levels, based on surface observations in the form of a sharp inverted trough:
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1635. Drakoen 10:49 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
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1636. Makoto1 10:50 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting MrstormX:
Florida is going to become part of the atlantic with all this rain.


Well we already lost South Beach..

Also, whoever decided light blue on white was a good idea is insane.
1637. rxse7en 10:52 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Nice circulation over Jax now. Wouldn't be surprised to see it develop over open water.

http://tinyurl.com/r4cg9o

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1638. StormFreakyisher 10:55 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Oh my gosh I am not putting shutters up because of this storm. Im putting shutters up because this blog is about to explode.People calm down and stop being paranoid like you never seen a hurricane hit Florida before.
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1639. MrstormX 10:56 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting rxse7en:
Nice circulation over Jax now. Wouldn't be surprised to see it develop over open water.

http://tinyurl.com/r4cg9o



I think its still cold core though.
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1640. taco2me61 10:58 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Well you guys and Gals play nice and I'm going to the Board Walk in Kemah..... I will be back own later....


Taco :0)
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1641. MrstormX 11:01 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
What do you all think still code yellow at 8:00 forecast, or maybe a bump to Orange. Also could this soon be 93L.
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1642. moonlightcowboy 11:02 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


The blog couldn't survive.....@ 204 hrs....


LOL. Yup, it would implode!
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1643. Cavin Rawlins 11:02 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
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1644. Makoto1 11:02 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting MrstormX:
What do you all think still code yellow at 8:00 forecast, or maybe a bump to Orange. Also could this soon be 93L.


I'd be shocked if it wasn't still yellow... They're expecting it to be quite slow to develop.
1645. WPBHurricane05 11:03 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
It will stay code yellow. They will likely add "has changed little in organization today" or "remains disorganized" to the TWO, everything else will be copy and paste.
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1646. sky1989 11:04 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting StormFreakyisher:
Oh my gosh I am not putting shutters up because of this storm. Im putting shutters up because this blog is about to explode.People calm down and stop being paranoid like you never seen a hurricane hit Florida before.


I agree. This is early June anyway. I wouldn't expect too much, although I know anything is possible.
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1647. MrstormX 11:04 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Remember you have to wait 12 hours for first post, so if something does go down there will likely be a lag before tons of people arrive.
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1648. WPBHurricane05 11:05 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Quoting MrstormX:
Remember you have to wait 12 hours for first post, so if something does go down there will likely be a lag before tons of people arrive.


Thats good. That must be a new rule since when I joined in 06 I could post right away.
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1649. IKE 11:05 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
Probably stays yellow.
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1650. Patrap 11:06 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
1008mb Low..yeah,thats one to worry over..LOL
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1651. sky1989 11:07 PM GMT en Junio 06, 2009    
When was the last time we had a major hurricane in June?
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